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ZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
      #258514 - 09/04/06 06:53 PM

Man this board is dead!

First time I've ever seen where no post have caught fire and no current threads found...nobody fish anymore?

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Rapid Robert]
      #258517 - 09/04/06 07:06 PM

just put one up one the fishing reports robert.....go check it out.

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Rapid Robert]
      #258518 - 09/04/06 07:07 PM

Two things... Labor Day weekend and not many fish around my area. Time to catch up/get ahead on yard work, etc., and try again next week.

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: jimh]
      #258519 - 09/04/06 07:11 PM

Spent part of the afternoon playing Brown bear on the lower Quilascene. No fish so I'm having tofu and steamed veggies for dinner.

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Gooose]
      #258523 - 09/04/06 07:25 PM

I'm curing my 22 lbs of eggs from my trip to Sekiu.

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Dogfish]
      #258524 - 09/04/06 07:45 PM

Was thinking the same thing Bob.

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Rapid Robert]
      #258525 - 09/04/06 08:03 PM

I spent the weekend with my wife, daughter, and one of my daughters friends in Stanley. Fires ahd the whole valley smoked out, you could barely see the Sawtooths. Caught a bunch of small trout that ran 2 to 13 inches, all on flies. My wife caught a 21" bulltrout on a spinner on the morning of her birthday. We spent a bunch of time geocaching, playing Clue, Monopoly, and Life, hiking, and checking out the ghost towns of Bonanza and Custer. It was 20 degrees Friday morning. All in all a restful and quiet weekend.

I was out of town, so the board died...

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Mojo]
      #258530 - 09/04/06 08:26 PM

Not much to report here unless your interested in the removal/replacement of Coat-it, BTW it sucks!

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Mojo]
      #258531 - 09/04/06 08:34 PM

Thanks for the replys, just seems slower than normal this weekend.

This was my first of 3 weekends off in a row Fished Drano Wed thru Friday of last week...our catching was fair to good, with URB's, Steelhead and our first Coho of the season(some were dandys!!!)

I head back tomarrow night for trips Wed thru Friday, should be a strong week with over 14K URB's over Bonnieville dam yesterday!

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Rapid Robert]
      #258532 - 09/04/06 08:43 PM

My Dad and his Girl friend are in town and been doing the family thing. Did get two on Saturday and missed 2 today.
How a fish gets off after ripping the rod down and taking line
can let it go before I can get my hands on the rod.
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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: AkKings]
      #258534 - 09/04/06 08:49 PM

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Not much to report here unless your interested in the removal/replacement of Coat-it, BTW it sucks!




I'd have to agree with that too! I'm in that process now.

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Rapid Robert]
      #258535 - 09/04/06 08:59 PM

Brother Bob you convince them Quilascene pig silvers to start entering the river and it's whack and stack time.

I'm building up kitchen pass points until then plus tying leaders as those 20,000 silvers are gonna have about 30,000 summer Chumlords crammed into the same 1.5 miles of river. I figure going thru about 24 leaders in two hours for each days effort after work. I've had several evenings where all 24 leaders were destroyed and had to tie n a hurry at twilight. It's that kinda of fishery .

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Gooose]
      #258538 - 09/04/06 09:13 PM

I took the wife and little man out for a little bank walking yesterday, wife hooked a dandy king that broke her of after a wild run up river and I caught a mixed bag myself, was a good time with great company!

Not much fishing to be had lately, I have been dividing my time between my day job, the station and helping my mom pack 33 years of stuff for a 12 mile move to Duvall. Summer has come and gone and I'm ready for some coho lovin!

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: SKYGUY]
      #258541 - 09/04/06 09:22 PM

Worked on the boat installing new rod holders and some serios LED interior lights (Thanks Dogfish) and finished up the house painting. Spent time with my folks today. Oh ya, tying up gear for the Sekiu trip this week. Leaving Wednesday AM.

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Jeffhead]
      #258547 - 09/04/06 10:09 PM

I just got off the river and the coho are here!

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Chromeo]
      #258548 - 09/04/06 10:23 PM

Been too busy fishin, cleanin fish cookin fish to give a fishin report. (and had to nap after fishin too. Them kings just wear me out any more)


The kings just keep comin in on the Skok, went by the hatchery after in a 12# hen at 10am & it has room for a FEW more fish. Good luck & will prolly head to the Quill this week.

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Misguided]
      #258554 - 09/04/06 11:54 PM

No fishing for me, tried to tie up all my projects before labor day weekend..failed. Another inspection in the AM, then its to CQ for 3 days, followed by more yard work and landscaping....looking forward to some fishing!

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! *DELETED* new [Re: Rapid Robert]
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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: NickVellios]
      #258559 - 09/05/06 04:16 AM

Guess it hasn't been that dead for the Puyallup Opener thread, almost 800 views, alot of people lurkin for the muddy water report.

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: bighoof]
      #258574 - 09/05/06 09:21 AM

Geez, I even posted a picture and a report....that was Friday though..


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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: fish4steel]
      #258587 - 09/05/06 10:41 AM

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Geez, I even posted a picture and a report....that was Friday though..



...Thanks for the report Mike, nice fish!

My comment was how dead yeaterday afternoon was, good to see people getting out...now back to washing my boat.

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Rapid Robert]
      #258598 - 09/05/06 11:14 AM


I went elk scouting yesterday AM. Shoulda gone fishing!
I figured with all the ZZZZZZZZZZZs it was going to be a chrome beast report


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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: fish4steel]
      #258604 - 09/05/06 11:37 AM

Any day spent in the woods is better than working....now hunting, that's a close 1st??? Take it you saw no animals? Think water...2 months from yesterday for me...cant wait..good luck!

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: NickVellios]
      #258609 - 09/05/06 12:11 PM


I've been out for cutts a few times lately. Only been after summer runs 4 or 5 times all summer. Weather's too hot, river's too low. Been doing double shifts here and there all summer too. I'm waiting for the silvers to get here.


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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: cupo]
      #258625 - 09/05/06 02:23 PM

Bob,Did you get caught up on all your Jokes.

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Fishhead5]
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Bob,Did you get caught up on all your Jokes.



..almost!

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Wake-up coming on 24 September! Back from Oz new [Re: Rapid Robert]
      #258643 - 09/05/06 04:46 PM

I'm going barramundi fishing in the Deep North of Australia's Kimberly region at the legendary One Tree Beach. That 10 day fish-a-thon starts in a week. While it isn't quite as much fun as spooning for steelies on the Skeena, it's the next best thing.

Full report and pix at the end of the month. Till then, not much I can report on other than what's new in Colombo, San Jose (Costa Rica) and/ or Bangalore . . . not a silver in any of them as far as I can tell!

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The last time I fished One Tree Beach was five (!) years ago the write-up made it on line in Western Angler, the best fishing magazine in Australia. It's a humor piece:

http://www.westernangler.com.au/default.asp?action=article&ID=70&KeyWords=quolls

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Full report and pix at the end of the month. Till then, not much I can report on other than what's new in Colombo, San Jose (Costa Rica) and/ or Bangalore . . . not a silver in any of them as far as I can tell!




So what does a person fish for in India? Brown trout?

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So what does a person fish for in India? Brown trout?




Yellow speckled brown trown...sometimes with the infamous peanut speckling!

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      #258661 - 09/05/06 06:55 PM

I was thinking they might have the elusive corn eyed brown trout.

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I was thinking they might have the elusive corn eyed brown trout.




Ya, what do you think that yellow speckling is? Some icthiologists call it corn eyes and others argue it is called yellow speckling. I think we can all agree that no matter what they are called, they are one beautiful fish.

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      #258672 - 09/05/06 08:32 PM

Now, mind you I'm no expert but that sure looks like a corn-nut brown coiler eel. I'm pretty sure I saw one on a camping trip once.

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Now, mind you I'm no expert but that sure looks like a corn-nut brown coiler eel. I'm pretty sure I saw one on a camping trip once.




You know, you may be right. I am looking through my encylcopedia britannica collection and that picture does look strikingly similar to a corn-nut brown coiler eel. Weird, I found that one in that picture this year washed up on the shores of the Skagit River. I wasn't aware that eel species was present in the puget sound area.

Well i'll be dipped...Tasted like crap...

It says here in my encyclopedia that they have been known to take a liquid state to excape predators...They will also give off a fowl odor when threatened.

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LMAO!

That's some funny stuff!

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Re: Wake-up coming on 24 September! Back from Oz new [Re: SKYGUY]
      #258701 - 09/06/06 12:05 AM

I don't have much to report either.. have to go fishing in bc with out snagly... well if the house sells soon enough.

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Quote:

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Now, mind you I'm no expert but that sure looks like a corn-nut brown coiler eel. I'm pretty sure I saw one on a camping trip once.




You know, you may be right. I am looking through my encylcopedia britannica collection and that picture does look strikingly similar to a corn-nut brown coiler eel. Weird, I found that one in that picture this year washed up on the shores of the Skagit River. I wasn't aware that eel species was present in the puget sound area.

Well i'll be dipped...Tasted like crap...

It says here in my encyclopedia that they have been known to take a liquid state to excape predators...They will also give off a fowl odor when threatened.






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Re: Wake-up coming on 24 September! Back from Oz new [Re: chinook]
      #258731 - 09/06/06 08:12 AM

Thats sum funny stuff, boneless browns are quite a prolific species...no matter the environment they just keep showing up...and there are no hatcheries to produce em either...pure wild!

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remember to release em unharmed!

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Been known to violently explode into the water when irritable.

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India's most famous fish is the Mahseer, plus a sermon new [Re: SKYGUY]
      #258811 - 09/06/06 05:02 PM

Our popular conception of India is that it's 100% crowded with a mixture of IT firms and beggars. There are over 1 billion people and there's a lot of poverty still. The country was put together by the British over a 200 year time frame. Along the way they transferred English as the universal business language, English law, cricket (oh, well) and managed to forge a national identity out of the a highly diverse bunch of religions (Google "Zoroastrianism" or "Jainism")and ethnic groups (blond haired, blue-eyed Sindhi's, people of Tibetan origin from Nagaland -- Google a map of where that sucker is). In short, it's a country that defies simple description as it has some of the most extremes you'll find anywhere in the world.

About a 4 hour drive from Bangalore (where my company employs almost 200 people), you reach the banks of the Cauvery River near the city of Mysore in south central India. Seasonally, people come from all over the world to fish for the mahseer, a predatory carp that can grow to over 100lbs. Most anglers use vegetable-based baits fished on the bottom with inshore saltwater gear. Others use spoons (!) to good effect. The fishing is catch-and-release and many people swear that the mahseer is the hardest fighting freshwater fish there is. I haven't been yet, but I'm looking forward to it.

As for trout, there's quite a bit of fishing for rainbows and browns in the foothills of the Himalayas way to the north. (The Brits stocked them.)

I know everyone is just having fun in this thread, but I'll leave you with one or two thoughts that you might share with your kids:

1. Few people in the US are interested in what's actually going on in China today. Even fewer know or care what's happening in India (other than the person answering the phone has a bad accent). Yet over the next 30 years what goes on in those two countries will have a greater impact on your children's employment and income than, say, timber or fishing or Boeing will.

2. The young people of China and India are incredibly ambitious and hard working. They are learning English, accounting, engineering, etc. The best and brightest will (I hope) be allowed to move to the US on temporary assignments with their US or multinational employers. Many of them will -- if allowed -- eventually settle permanently in the US as well. This is absolutely the #1 best thing that could happen to the US over time: attract and keep the most creative minds in the world. (OK, I've strayed into immigration policy but the H1B visa situation is a joke.)

3. People in India and China are fascinated by the US and want to know as much as they can. They're genuinely curious. I visit the US monthly but don't live there. My impression is that the level of interest -- and knowledge -- about these two countries is still fairly low. That's a real shame on several counts.

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Anyway, I'm not going to India or China next week. I'm going to Australia to fish hard and hoist a couple of Castlemain's XXXX bitters in the general direction of Steve Irwin's mortal remains. What an enthusiastic goofball he was! I don't know anyone who enjoyed his job as much as Steve did, and he will be missed.

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Re: India's most famous fish is the Mahseer, plus a sermon new [Re: Snagly]
      #258815 - 09/06/06 06:06 PM

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Our popular conception of India is that it's 100% crowded with a mixture of IT firms and beggars.




No, I was thinking more along the lines of beggars and free-roaming emaciated cows.

Interesting comments and observations....thanks for sharing.

BTW, each time I call a help line for tech support I feel like I've been touched by our friends from India.

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Re: India's most famous fish is the Mahseer, plus a sermon new [Re: BorntoFish]
      #258819 - 09/06/06 06:27 PM

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Our popular conception of India is that it's 100% crowded with a mixture of IT firms and beggars.




No, I was thinking more along the lines of beggars and free-roaming emaciated cows.

Interesting comments and observations....thanks for sharing.

BTW, each time I call a help line for tech support I feel like I've been touched by our friends from India.




That's funny right there, I don't care who ya' are, that's funny!

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      #258824 - 09/06/06 06:49 PM

The cows are actually quite fat, BTW. Many of them roam the streets of Bangalore and browse on garbage when they aren't obstructing traffic.

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Re: Hey, I didn't promise you a perfect intercultural experience new [Re: Snagly]
      #258826 - 09/06/06 07:01 PM

Goes to show you how outta touch I am....couldn't remember who was more emaciated [cows vs beggars]....been a long time since I've seen a film clip of that part of the world, but it always answered the question for me.... "Where's the beef???"

Again, all kidding aside, yours was an interesting post. Guess from now on I'll show a little more respect for our carp knowing that they've got a "predatory" cousin that might someday kick my a$$ if they ever make it over to this country via illegal transplant. Interesting what exotic species are out there. I'm still waiting for the walking catfish to make it up this way [from Florida] so I can fish for them. Not certain if that'll happen in my lifetime what with their little legs and feet I don't imagine they cover much distance. Then there's all the damned cars and trucks on the highways to be dealt with.

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      #258884 - 09/07/06 09:09 AM

Excellent post Snagly, I hope many read it.

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      #258891 - 09/07/06 09:45 AM

LOL

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! *DELETED* new [Re: NickVellios]
      #258914 - 09/07/06 04:13 PM

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Glockdawg]
      #258916 - 09/07/06 04:27 PM

Welcome Glock. I wondered about that comment also?

Hey, this is a very nice board too, but with a bit more of a relaxed atmosphere.

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: AuntyM]
      #258919 - 09/07/06 04:50 PM

Thanks for the welcome AuntyM.



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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: Glockdawg]
      #258986 - 09/08/06 09:57 AM

That was an uncalled for picture and slam on another great site. We are all proud to be Fishing hobbyest. No need to slam each others sites or members. Glock is a great guy and always helps those in need. Thanks Goose for delete of pic and comments.

Its just fishing!
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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: iceshark]
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That was an uncalled for picture and slam on another great site. We are all proud to be Fishing hobbyest. No need to slam each others sites or members. Glock is a great guy and always helps those in need. Thanks Goose for delete of pic and comments.

Its just fishing!
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Guido has a low tolerance for BS.

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: AuntyM]
      #259009 - 09/08/06 12:35 PM

I didn't understand the post/get what was supposed to be funny, and thought it must have been an inside joke. Any way, GlockDawg welcome to the site. Iceshark, welcome back.

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I didn't understand the post/get what was supposed to be funny, and thought it must have been an inside joke. Any way, GlockDawg welcome to the site. Iceshark, welcome back.




The gamefishin' site was hacked to forward to a gay porn site. I wasn't saying the site was gay, it was sort of an inside joke for people who visit gamefishin.com.

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: NickVellios]
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and now back to the original theme of this thread. Thanks for your cooperation.

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and now back to the original theme of this thread. Thanks for your cooperation.






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I look forward to hanging here more in the future. Thanks for the welcome back.

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! new [Re: iceshark]
      #259067 - 09/08/06 08:56 PM

What exactly WAS the original theme of this thread?

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Heck if I know Snagly...I just moderate.

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What exactly WAS the original theme of this thread?




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