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after thinking about it for awhile i decided to buy a salmon/steelhead guide license for 08 going to be fishing the cowlitz and drano
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Will you be one of those insured operations?
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Congrats....but, if you're gonna do it...do it right!
Good question FJ!
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Wow, a month ago you were "new to fishing from a boat", now your going to be a guide  , good luck!
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Gotta follow your dreams Scott...competitive, tiring affair this I know cause i've fished with the best...wish him luck!
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Gotta write off the cost somehow 
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Good thinking Fishhog, I am going to get mine now too. or maybe not.  
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licensed boat is insured and also have purchased liabily insurance im getting a llc started gotta try somthing new somtimes ive always wanted to di it now i have the opportunity im new to running a jet ive fished from many boats and had many boats but they all we prop after driving a jet its pretty easy
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Don't forget your 6pac license.
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Got boat, Got rods, now I'm a guide
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There's another way to look at this. If you take almost any compensation to offset expenses, you almost need to be a guide to be legal.
As we all know, just doing something for a long time doesn't make you an expert. Also, some people have a nack and try hard at whatever they do and would naturally get really good quick.
Also, the experience isn't just about catching fish. I'd rather have a good time and not catch as many fish than fish with a jerk who catches lots of fish!
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Don't forget your 6pac license.
Coast guard license is a must have.
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Yeah and your accountant will need to know percentage of pleasure use of boat as well as business so the write off isn't what i expected,
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i didnt do it for a write off im doing it because its somthing i want to get good at and have fun at the same time i remodel fulltime so its a second source of income for somthing i like
thanks jimh for the support!!
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i never really thought of guiding as "fun"... seems like alot of long hours. hard work. playing boat jockey at the cowlitz or drano doesn't seem like "fun" either. i see guys jumping into guiding like guys starting brew pubs. seems cool, seems like fun, then realise its really not all that much fun when it becomes a job. anyways hope you have fun....
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There was a pretty good article about that very subject in STS by Mr. Herzog. Also pointed out that if you love fishing, it makes it even harder cause your on all these rivers and you cant fish!
Shaun.
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I enjoy fishing for pleasure way to much to become a guide but that's just me.
Good luck with it fishyness! Glad to hear about the liability insurance...all businesses should require it.
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You should get "Getting Skunked" insurance.
Just call one of those insurance outfits who insures against getting holes in one, or making half-court basketball shots.
Tell them the chances are like "One in 2000" and then you can have a "No getting skunked" guarantee, "Or your money back"
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Good luck bro hope it gose well for you. its a big step. stay strong. Jim W
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I hope youre good with paperwork. Keep track of everything.
IRS does not allow hobby right-off indefinitely. Dont wait to find out the depreciation schedule for the boat and vehicle. You should get with someone. Even HR block people could give you the choices for expensing the business.
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Any guides out there want to coment on this one. 
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Yeah...I'm curious.
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FJ with the new boat coming you,ll be next in line.....  BTW ....most guys who pay guides like to catch fish, they also like top of the lines fishing gear to use!!!! spend a couple days boondoggin with some guys that just bunt up 100 leaders and you got some more crankers coming tomarra..better start tying fishyness!!!!! its alot of work and aint much fun frezzing you arss off in the middle off dec/jan on the cow.....good luck 
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I never guided but did mate a charter boat on The Great Lakes
and you have to be able to let the world slide off your back.
When fishings hot and you have good people in the boat it all works but a slow day with a jerk and it's less than fun.
To this day I find my self handing rods off when I don't have to.
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wiff you been fishing, figure your in springer heaven right now!!!!!
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Guiding is a tough gig!Long hours, tons of work, many many expenses. And to be good at it, start on one river, learn it inside out and fish the heck out of it and later learn other spots the same way. I'm sure most of the guides on here fished for a LONG time before guiding. Scott? Doug? Bob? Phil? And with the major downturns in fishing lately it's also a TOUGH way to earn a living. I'll start with somewhat of an itemized list of expenses,(excluding the boat) Other guides please add as needed.
1.- Six pack or bigger USCG license and requirements-class for this around $1,500 . USCG Fees, $300?. Drug Program and testing $100 per test and dont forget a DOT Physical at $200.
2.- Safety Equipment-First aid Kit-$50, Lifejackets for all and a throw cushion $150, Kit $20(whistle, flares, etc...)
3.-Insurance- around $1,000 per year just for liability.
4.- Rods, Reels, etc,,, top of the line equipment is better, baseing this on 3 client set ups, lets say $300 per rig x3 rigs, plugs, bait and spinning $2,700. Misc gear, $100 Month x12
5.- Advertising- Brchures $100< Website $250-500 and up keep on domain name etc $12 a month
6.-business expenses- $50 month cell phone, $50 month regular phone and $30 a month internet
7-State Guides licenses $330
So far adding this up and NOT including boat prices and fuel in the final tally as well as some other stuff like food etc.... Just to get initially started, I'd figure on laying out around $8,000- $10,000.
I'm being conservative here, anyone feel free to add to this please:)
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I wish. I'm still coaching and working 50 to 60 a week so I'm running out of time. SGM and I fished last weekend and hid SGM bud got one. I SGM comes down Sunday I'll fish with him or I'll
put my boat in the water and give it a try.
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Im not a guide but have fished enough to know that about 10% of the guys catch fish routinely.....some of them not even guides, I wont mention names of many that frequent those rivers and know them very well.
Then hopefully while you are outfishing,,,,never mind someone already mentioned insurance......its a must.....even your tow rig should be in tip top shape and insured, ya never know....
then the regs are a changing constantly as with styles and gear as you already well know im sure......
I truly wish ya luck, but thats a tough system to start in my opinion.....
Respectful, courteous guides are the best, the ones that respect the river system and dont step on toes.....
fishing is just that, its fishing, I reccomend taking a look at some of the current guides in the area and following their reccomendations.....hopefully they will input some.......advice, we can always use that when starting a new business and having a legitimate business plan......
WW
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A Coast guard 6 pac is needed for Drano, you dont want to get caught without it!
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Fishy, I say good for you! Go and give it your best. I'm sure there's a lot of us out there that would like to find a way to be on the water every day.
Best to ya!!
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im working on the 6 pac now heres how much this has cost me so far good thing building pays well
boat 32k fully optioned
rods reels 3,800
life jackets and saftey 800
guide license 320
insurance both liabilty and boat 1,500 year roughly
workign on the six pac license now
the thing i wonder is why so many people try to shoot people down? the cool thing is i have a lot of cleints from work and freinds and family who would love to go no matter if they catch somthing or not and plus its not like i have a boat payment like most guys on the river mines new and paid for and im not relying on it to pay my bills wich means lots of qaulity time to learn the trade the right way not stressing about how many people i can book to pay my bills
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thanks tally id rather be tying leaders and runnign the river anyday then dealign with a 500k remodel every 14 weeks
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as far as taxes go i use my girl freinds dads accountant and tax guy hes pretty good i wish i had this icense last year for coho on the cow i was catching 6 fish in six casts every morning don and karen know lol they were asking where i was going
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can someone define the term "6pack" i'm thinking that a full case of 24 is the better option. if were talking bang for the buck, then the 30pack is what brewer recommends.
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and please no smart@ss 6pack abs definition please.
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and please no smart@ss 6pack abs definition please.
Operator of Uninspected Passenger Vessel (oupv) The 6 refers to the 6 passenger limit for this type of license.
Oh yeah, it comes in 3 forms: Inland, Great Lakes and Near Coastal. The near coastal version allows the licensee to travel up to 100 miles offshore. Inland is rivers, bays and sounds and up vessels up to 100 tons.
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Good luck on your endevor Fishyness.
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thank you
getting the 6pack is gonna be tough im sighning up for a class that is uscg approved i want to have everything inline before i go active plus im debating not even guiding untill this fall that gives me some time dialing in the boat its pretty easy i ran the skykomish last night lots of fun
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i like brewers idea the best
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hang in there! and good luck! I graduate school in December and my current plan is to get my coast guard lisense and get into the buisness. Why the hell not give it a shot at the age of 24 I have no responsibiltys. I am not afraid to fail cause the fear of failour is the fear to try.
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Well, perhaps a few extra moments with spell check and grammar check could be a worthy addition to the new guides list of tools. This isn't an expensive addition to your inventory, but the price of not having/using spell check and grammar check could be monumental.
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you said you were going to guide drano...as if this spring. Law enforcement will be there checking guides and thier endorsements. A lot of people think buying a $150 guide license makes them qualified. Insurance however is not a requirement. Good luck!
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My Dad was a hunting guide and I was his unpaid boy labor. Tons of work and a total pain in the butt. That being said, I had the opportunity to see things and go places that I would never have had any other way. Would I do it now? God no, but when you get old would you rather say "I wish I would have tried that" or "I gave that a shot and it didn't work out but I tried"? Go for it fishyness, you still have the day job.
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Well, perhaps a few extra moments with spell check and grammar check could be a worthy addition to the new guides list of tools. This isn't an expensive addition to your inventory, but the price of not having/using spell check and grammar check could be monumental.
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Just look at the success Dances has had! He started out real young with no experience and now he's a guide!
(even though all he can catch is a couple of panfish I hear.)
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we just got back from lake washington pretty nice out there caught a few smallies
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great way to go broke. good to keep your day job.
best of luck to ya. 
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fishyness. I think most are trying to make sure you don't get into a "love affair" mode over being a guide. Alot of times, once you turn your passion into a "money making" ordeal, it goes from a passion to a job.
I wasn't a guide. Never good enough for that. LOL. But love to fish. But I have been in the professional aspect tyingwise for about 20 or so years now. It's different when you're doing something for you, and doing something for someone else. I still love to tie, but switched to more of a custom tying then tying in bulk. I prefer to teach to tie now then actually tie for people (I find it more rewarding). BUT, I've met tyers who really dig production tying and it's a great job for them. I'm assuming guiding is the same way. Just like pro sports, some people make great athletes, some make better coaches.
If you're gonna do it, go balls to the wall. Just alot of us have seen guides come and go.
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can someone define the term "6pack" i'm thinking that a full case of 24 is the better option. if were talking bang for the buck, then the 30pack is what brewer recommends.
If limited to a 6 pack, then go with tall boys for the best performance.
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the main reason i did it to work toward being a fulltime guide but as most people know it is illegal to accept any money for gas ect from anyone you bring without a guide license now days i see more and more people getting in trouble for that
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im scheduled for the 6pac but is what im wondering is if its needed on all river systems and if im going to get hassled fishing for pleasure instead of guiding on the big c without one with having guide decals on my boat?
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Most likely that if your below I-5 On the Cow or at Drano at all, that if you have stickers on your boat and people fishing with you, you can be asked about a USCG License. On occasion, when your fun fishing, do expect to occasionally have to explain that your fun fishing no matter what river you are on.
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thanks for the info brian i cant wait to get my 6pac done
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Can I be your 1st client?? I'll help run the tiller even and clean my own fish!! If your nice to people and give them good honest service you will do good. Always remember your giving them a fishing trip, cannot guarantee the catchin part. Good luck, and I'll fish with ya anytime.
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You should become a board sponser and auction off some free trips 
Shaun.
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You should become a board sponser and auction off some free trips
Shaun.
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maybe you should spend more time on the river running a jet before you put customers lives in jeopardy. have all the insurance you want, but a river can change quickly and lack of experience could prove deadly.
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Any navitagable waters is where you need to have a 6 pack license. That is most everywhere you can take a sled except for the Cow until you hit the mouth of the Toutle. All the Columbia is navitagable and the Chehalis as well. Most smaller rivers are not like the Hump, Satsop, Nooch, Kalama, not sure on the Lewis. The class is not the only hurdle with a 6 pack as you have lots to do after passing the class. The class should have a checklist of all you need to do after passing to get the license. Good luck and if you need some help let me know. Not that I am an expert but I do know some stuff about it. Brian is right about learning the rivers, dial them in one at a time and pay a guide to learn some you don't know, it is cheaper to do that than the hit and miss method.
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Cow is navigable up to I-5 bridge,, USCG has a complete list. Here's the link.
http://www.uscg.mil/d13/exhibit11_k1.pdf
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this topic is great. i get the idea that your very green on this venture. take brewer here, i spent weeks walking through certain rivers and thier canyons. learned all the difficult wading areas. tricky logs and dangerous trails before i started my bank fishing guide service. i always made sure that my 6pack was cold and fresh. learned to make the paying client carry the ice chest. these are all things you really need to take into account. to have similar success as i have.
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Hey Brewer, can you teach me to catch a fish? We'll have to drink the 6 pack before we hike to your rock so I don't spill any on the way!
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hey pw do you want to go fishing this weekend? cow or big c let me know id would love to pick your brain about the cowlitz and would love to have a extra pole in the water you can be my frist free client
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lets bring brewer with us ill bring the beer
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I can bring a six pack amd my license too! Sometimes I like to ride in the boat instead of drive it.
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lets go fishin ive been wanting to get out on the cow and do some side drifting lets plan a trip im going to be down there this weekend sat and sun id love some company
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FJ with the new boat coming you,ll be next in line.....
Doubt that...not that I couldn't if I wanted to. I'll stick with the money making deal I have right now. Love being self employed!
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A Coast guard 6 pac is needed for Drano, you dont want to get caught without it!
100% false
You do not need a 6 pack to operate a boat at Drano. You do however have to have a LOUPV. (aka) Limited Operator of unispeceted passenger vessel. And you must have completed "the rules of the road"
Just a little clarification. A six pack allows you to fish off shore with 6 passengers. Hense the name 6 pack.
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True but thats a worthless license if you ever want to operate outside oif rivers. Might as welll just get the six pax.
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this topic is great. i get the idea that your very green on this venture. take brewer here, i spent weeks walking through certain rivers and thier canyons. learned all the difficult wading areas. tricky logs and dangerous trails before i started my bank fishing guide service. i always made sure that my 6pack was cold and fresh. learned to make the paying client carry the ice chest. these are all things you really need to take into account. to have similar success as i have.
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hilarious!
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"learned to make the paying client carry the ice chest."
Brewer,
Do you do this to slow the paying client down so you can beat them to the holes?
I have actually gone on bank fishing semi-quided trips on the Quinault res. The guy I went with didn't have a license so I paid for gas, his lunch,and a "friend" discount on the trip. Then we get down to the river and he races me to all the spots and tries to get the first cast in.
Unbelievable! Needless to say.... NEVER AGAIN.
Next time I will call the Brewer up if I need a guided bank fishing trip. Even carrying the ice chest would be better than what happened.
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pearls, i can honestly say that i have never done that. brewers a semi class act. i always let my client have the 1st 5 casts into the water before i cast. however i have grabbed the rod from clients when they've hooked a fish in those 5 casts....
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...as most people know it is illegal to accept any money for gas etc from anyone you bring without a guide license now days i see more and more people getting in trouble for that
Really? I'm not doubting your story, but are people really getting ticketed/whatever for this? I've never seen a gamie and I understand enforcement resources are really thinly spread out and badly underfunded, but do they really bother with this?
What if a friend passes me $20 at the launch, or at the car?
Where's the burden of proof? Would this stand up in court? How far away from the launch do you have to be before it's a transaction between consenting adults?
I can think of so many replies:
"My buddy here was just paying me what he owes me for taking his sister out last night"
"I'm a bill collector, and I prefer a gentler approach"
"I bought lunch yesterday, so he's paying me back"
"He's paying off a bet - He said you were just having a bad hair day, I said you were uglier than a mud fence in a rainstorm"
"This is not compensation, my friend wants to know if this is a counterfeit bill"
"This is just what he owes me for having to listen to Rush songs in the car on the way here"
I'm sure some WDFW employees other than Goose are lurking here. Please PM me and 'splain the finer points, don't just quote the RCW's. I'll respect your anonymity, but I will post to the board what you say. Any takers?
I'm not trying to be confrontational, I really want to know. I grew up fishing in Qanuckia where there are buckets of regs but virtually zero enforcement or consequence. Seriously - how can the 'compensation for unlicensed guiding' be proven, or does it need to be proven?
What exactly is compensation? If I leave a car at the takeout for a shuttle, that costs me money, so is that compensation? What if I donate a float down the river to a charity auction (not taking any compensation, or any tax deduction) is that 'unlicensed guiding'? What if my brother wants to float the river with me, and he pays for lunch, or for gas?
Seriously, expiring minds want to know. I'm about to get my first  and I don't have plans to guide, but I want to take friends out on my boat once I learn what I'm doing on the sticks. ..and yes, I'll probably show them how to fish a bit. They better not smile at me or say thank you, cause that might be all the compensation I need.
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thanks for the info lund
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I'm about to get my first and I don't have plans to guide, but I want to take friends out on my boat once I learn what I'm doing on the sticks. ..and yes, I'll probably show them how to fish a bit. They better not smile at me or say thank you, cause that might be all the compensation I need.
I mispoke - I will be taking people from the board out on floats, but they're gonna have to show me how to handle the boat. Who's up first? I've got 6 wks before the river is open to fish, so I should have a bit of time to learn.
MY BOAT - MY RULES - No smoking, and you have to behave in front of my kids and my dog.
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Hey Fishyness, call me and we'll see if we can work out a trip this weekend. Can BigKat go too?? We'll be the best deckhands ever. Jim @ 360-280-4996
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He is right about the gas money etc, you cannot recieve anything of value from anyone for a fishing trip (legally) without it being considered a trip for profit, which you could get a ticket for, but it is not enforced as it shouldn't be, I hope!
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pw big kat is more then welcome to go i have 4 seats plus a operator chair you guys can show us the ropes ill give you a call tonight thanks for the help
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I just went and did my Coast Guard Class. Was not to bad. Class was $$$...
Rules of the road was nothing to get all worried about. Just make sure you take lots of practice test before you take the real one. Just whatever you do, don't let the course get to you. Just take a deep breath and go back to studying.
Second, don't under cut other guides who are trying to make a living at it. I used to get LOTS of business off of Craigslist @ $150 per person...Key word "used to" but then the market got flooded with 50-100 dollar seats. Soon as that happen I knew it was time for a web site. There goes another $$$
With the cost of gas so very cheap  bait, hooks, lead, rods, wheels, bearings, powerheads, oil, lights, food, power, rent, truck payments, boat payments, insurance, boat & truck insurance, etc etc etc....I'm at $175 now and will be going to $185 after June.
I don't really care what people say about guiding or "guides" I love doing it! Unlike when I worked for the State F&G, it was the same S*** just a different day. With guiding, every day is something different. The people are different, the weather, fish, the river, its always something different every single day. You go from hero to zero in no time at all! Its a challenge of its own and I love it!
When guiding, about the only time when I fish is when I'm hover fishing or backbouncing, the rest of the time, I don't even run a rod, if there is more then a few guys. I get more of a kick out of seeing others hook and catch then catching it myself anymore.
With the help/training of a few better well known guides, they have helped me score some really good clients and have helped me learn from 1 client to a boat load of 6 clients and how to be in the 10 percent. In the last couple of years I have made enough to grow from a 14ft boat, to an 18ft to a 21ft sled.
Without the help of some of my "well known, better guide friends" id have a real job right now and board. lol
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KF,
Some hard work and the love of the sport makes for a happy man. Good for you.
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The real question is............ What are you gonna do with your guides license when the fall fisheries area closed, or fishing is so bad that you only get 1-2 fish per trip. I see this all the time in Oregon. Last fall was a prime example. Guides convince clients that they have a good chance to catch some nice fish. When in reality the fishing is so poor, the guide wouldn't go fishing unless he was gonna get paid. This is a crime to steal someones money on false pretenses. You need to be man enough to call it off when fishing is bad. If you choose to take maginal trips, you will find yourself looking for new business. Repeat customers are a must in this business. Pride yourself in taking people out if they are gonna have a GOOD chance to take something home.
I've canceled as many trips as I have taken last fall, it hurts the pocket book, but when I get on the phone to call my clients and tell them the bite is on, they know I mean business.
Finda secondary source of income until our fisheries get rockin again. Unless you are gonna do the Walleye, Bass, trout and all the other no salt water fish.
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i never really thought of guiding as "fun"... seems like alot of long hours. hard work. playing boat jockey at the cowlitz or drano doesn't seem like "fun" either. i see guys jumping into guiding like guys starting brew pubs. seems cool, seems like fun, then realise its really not all that much fun when it becomes a job. anyways hope you have fun....
Hah, both Drano and the Cow are great fun, after 20 years I can honestly say I enjoy and look forward to it...can you say that about your jobs?
If I didn't enjoy it I would get a real job!
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I do enjoy my job, now that I don't have to do much but I'm really going to enjoy fishing with Bob on Thursday. A good guide makes the trip worthwhile even if it's raining and blowing and cold and in an open boat and no bites.
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bob i agree with you, you love doing what you do. you catch fish real well. you have a good history of proven success. i think when the fishing gets tough and the hours long. not putting fish in net and the pressure to do so can make guiding a hard buisness.
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Well on Fishyness maiden voyage we did manage a summer run in the boat. Travis is a nice kid and he has the ambition to learn and knows he has alot to learn. We had fun even though it snowed, hailed and sunned on us all in a short morning trip.
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Hey, I'd love to put a summer run in the boat. At least you guys got to go out.
I can see where Fishyness is coming from. After I bought my boat, I had thoughts of trying to guide. The bottom line is I don't have the years of experience on the finer points of catching fish every trip out. I guess you could say that I'm just not a good enough fisherman to be taking people's money for trips.
Fishyness, if you can put fish n the boat consistantly and are a personable guy to boot... then I think you'll do just fine with time.
It's cool that you have the flexibility to put the time in and get the business up and running.
I say if you're gonna do it, then put your whole heart into it... I'm sure you will.
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Good report Jim...catching is imperative to guiding..a close second is the ability to entertain the clients...the guides on this board have both.....an introvert IF the catch fish can be a good guide, no fishies = a boring time.....an extrovert, fishies or no-fishies is still "entertainment" and a fun time~~~~
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Let me kow when you are going to be on the Cowlitz so I can be elsewhere! LOL
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Guiding is a tough gig!Long hours, tons of work, many many expenses. And to be good at it, start on one river, learn it inside out and fish the heck out of it and later learn other spots the same way. I'm sure most of the guides on here fished for a LONG time before guiding. Scott? Doug? Bob? Phil? And with the major downturns in fishing lately it's also a TOUGH way to earn a living. I'll start with somewhat of an itemized list of expenses,(excluding the boat) Other guides please add as needed.
1.- Six pack or bigger USCG license and requirements-class for this around $1,500 . USCG Fees, $300?. Drug Program and testing $100 per test and dont forget a DOT Physical at $200.
2.- Safety Equipment-First aid Kit-$50, Lifejackets for all and a throw cushion $150, Kit $20(whistle, flares, etc...)
3.-Insurance- around $1,000 per year just for liability.
4.- Rods, Reels, etc,,, top of the line equipment is better, baseing this on 3 client set ups, lets say $300 per rig x3 rigs, plugs, bait and spinning $2,700. Misc gear, $100 Month x12
5.- Advertising- Brchures $100< Website $250-500 and up keep on domain name etc $12 a month
6.-business expenses- $50 month cell phone, $50 month regular phone and $30 a month internet
7-State Guides licenses $330
So far adding this up and NOT including boat prices and fuel in the final tally as well as some other stuff like food etc.... Just to get initially started, I'd figure on laying out around $8,000- $10,000.
I'm being conservative here, anyone feel free to add to this please:)
Pretty close Brian. It costs me $30,000 a year just to fish 200 plus days a year.
Oh yeah, you for got fuel @ $4.00 a gallon.
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A Coast guard 6 pac is needed for Drano, you dont want to get caught without it!
No its not!
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Is that all it takes to keep you off the river? He'll be there every day for the next 10 years!!! 
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My take on this is.... It's not all fish catching skills that make you a good guide but how you interact with people. I've met many guides that have outstanding public relation skills both on and off the river even if the fishing isn't that great. They do call it fishing not catching. Word of mouth can do wonders (good and bad) and if you can't handle it..... well you'll be one of the other ones....
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Southfork is right, a guide is only selling a fishing trip. Catching fish is good, but nobody gets em everytime. Especially me!! I just read a post on CL about a certain guide at Drano who must have pissed someone off. Oh but Bob catches fish alot of the time!! He just goes where the fish are. He has an uncanny knack for being at the right place at the right time. I would call it EXPERIENCE. I've been with quite a few guides and been skunked with everyone of them. It happens, especially now a days when the fishing isn't all that great.
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OUCH,,,,, Someones pissed about that trip..!
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Well on Fishyness maiden voyage we did manage a summer run in the boat. Travis is a nice kid and he has the ambition to learn and knows he has alot to learn. We had fun even though it snowed, hailed and sunned on us all in a short
morning trip.
I had a great time! Travis is a great guy you all need to cut him some slack. He is humble and willing to learn, totally aware of his limitations.
BTW that Freedrifter is a nice ride!
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A Coast guard 6 pac is needed for Drano, you dont want to get caught without it!
No its not!
A LOUPV or OUPV are both 6 pac licenses and one is required for Drano, as Drano is considered navigable.
JandL could you explain why a coast guard license is not needed?
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Drano is not navigable. I just went thu the Coast Guard Course and they said it was not and said thats why everyone and there guide brother fishes it!
As long as you stay inside of Drano your good to go.
But maybe I'm wrong? Who knows..Call and ask them yourself.
Oh, what will I do this fall? I know where and what but I'm not telling. I don't want every guide and there brother doing so also.
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http://www.uscg.mil/d13/Exhibit11_K1.pdf
The above link contains the list of what the USCG considers to be navigable waters for the purposes of their jurisdiction in Washington state. You may note that Drano is not on the list.
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According to the Corps of Engineers it is navigable, I have heard that when guides are checked there, they are required to show thier coast guard license. Not all Navigable waters are listed on your USCG list, the navibility is determined by pool influence.
From the above link: White Salmon River,
WA X
Tributary of Columbia River. Mouth 2 miles
downstream from White Salmon, WA.
Navigable to head of Bonneville Pool
Backwater (See Drano
http://www.nws.usace.army.mil/publicmenu/DOCUMENTS/REG/Navigable_waters.pdf
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A Coast guard 6 pac is needed for Drano, you dont want to get caught without it!
No its not!
A LOUPV or OUPV are both 6 pac licenses and one is required for Drano, as Drano is considered navigable.
JandL could you explain why a coast guard license is not needed?
http://www.uscg.mil/d13/exhibit11_k1.pdf
Page 16 An OUPV or LOUPV is needed on the Columbia Side of the Hwy 14 Bridge. That simple
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http://www.uscg.mil/d13/Exhibit11_K1.pdf
The above link contains the list of what the USCG considers to be navigable waters for the purposes of their jurisdiction in Washington state. You may note that Drano is not on the list.
Goose yes it is, White Salmon River (Drano Lake)
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"Navigable to head of Bonneville Pool
Backwater"
Drano Lake is Bonneville pool backwater
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Fowlguy I'll go with the word of KF85. He recently went thru the course and the CG said it isn't required for Drano. But hey if you want it to be different that's fine by me. I noted the "see Drano" notation for the White Salmon as did you. I've had no luck finding what that refers to on the 13th District website. I would suspect that such a notation means there is an exception to the navigable status of the White Salmon specific to Drano. I'll leave that for you all to hash out as again I believe the word of KF85 due to his actually getting that info directly from the CG rather than what someone may have heard second or third hand.
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Heck, I'm like Goose, not worried about cause I have my USCG Masters 100 Ton license. Just got my renewal today in the mail with an endorsement upgrade.
Fishing Drano this weekend without the worries about licensing!
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Travis, Have fun, make sure your customers have fun, and never short change yourself.
The most I've ever done is 14 days straight and loved every minuet of it. If I hadn't played around the last 16 years taking pictures, I would give it a go full time, but it's time to get momma a steady paycheck.
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the USCG list states not all navigable waters are listed.
If I was going to guide Drano without a USCG license I would be in contact with the WDFW and get the final word from the enforcers. I have heard from 3 different guides first hand that it is required for Drano.
I dont want to see someone get into a world of sh!t because what they read on the internet.
"Honestly officer I didnt know I need a coast guard license, the guys on steelheader.net said it wasnt needed"
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Yes I read what the USCG said about not all navigable waters being listed. Pretty much a given that they don't list all non-navigable waters also. Not much help is it in regards to this discussion.
If I was gonna guide there I wouldn't listen to what anyone had to say one way or the other except WDFW law enforcement HQ's in Olympia and the CG District 13 office. I would want it in writing from both. I wouldn't rely on the word/opinion of a patrol officer from WDFW as. Anyone that would base such a decision simply upon the discussions and opinions from this site,any other site, conversations with guides, other sport fishers or your local bartender ad nauseum would be a fool. That work for you?
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I have never been asked by WDFW for my Coast Guard License! Although I have been asked by the county sherrif as well as the USCG.
I do not believe that WDFW has any jurisdiction to regulate wether or not a guide has a USCG OUPV license.
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WDFW law enforcement could ask for it.
Here is link for navigable waters http://www.columbiapacificonline.com/files/navigable_waterways_pacific_nw.pdf
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Jerry WDFW LE has equal jurisdiction within state waters. If they want to ask they can and if they want to they can arrange in writing for a violator of Federal law to receive a Federal ticket.
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Jerry WDFW LE has equal jurisdiction within state waters.
True story. The CG has too many war time and life saving duties these days. They not only lobby for, but encourage other "on the water" enforcement.
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have been asked by the Oregon patrol boat on the Columbia for mine. WDFW asked me on the Cow before but did say I didn't need on unless down below the mouth of the Toutle.
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Then when I was checked 3x this year why doesn't WDFW LE ask for the damn thing? All they care about is License and Catch Record Card.
The County Sherrif on the other hand wants to see it (OUPV)
Wouldn't surprise me if WDFW LE even new what a OUPV License was....
LAME
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Jerry if you are feeling the need for such personal attention why don't you file a complaint with the Regions 5 and 6 WDFW LE Captains? I am positive that from then on every officer you run in to will do everything up to and including calling WSP for a Wants and Warrants check. Not to sure that the officers would be thrilled if you demanded a strip search whenever they run in to you but hey if the need is there go ahead and complain about that also.
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LAME is what this thread has turned into. If I even cared one bit I would be so confused by now it wouldn't even be funny. 
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Best post on the entire thread.
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Goose that makes me laugh and I needed that this evening.
Can I forgo the Strip Search?
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Jerry I am pretty sure that the officers would agree to that.
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LAME is what this thread has turned into. If I even cared one bit I would be so confused by now it wouldn't even be funny.
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Best post on the entire thread.
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thanks jim and al i dont know what all the talk of the cowlitz being so hard to run in a boat yesterday me and chris ran from barrier to i-5 no issues even got another fish thanks agian guys
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Good for you Travis, Not a whole lot of water in there right now so you must be getting the hang of it, be careful out there!!
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thanks jim and al i dont know what all the talk of the cowlitz being so hard to run in a boat yesterday me and chris ran from barrier to i-5 no issues
Don't get cocky, thats when the river is going to jump up and bite you in the a$$.
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You haven't see it during full blown summer run rush hour at 2500cfs yet. Wait till you get a few hundred sleds running around with skinny water. Learning to run the traffic while trying to stay off the fishing water is the challenge. Besides running up and down the river on plane isn't all that tough anyways. Tell me you boondogged all the way from barrier to I-5 with your prop unscathed then you'll be a full fledged sled jock.
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between the launch and baker rock has part of my pump housing, hard lesson learned that yr, did get to boondog down to blue creek that day... ...oh ya them big bolders just down from the launch sure did a job on my troller housing one summer!!! bear rug has a couple of my troller prop blade,s also!!!!!I think BOB aka RR got a new troller last yr...thanks to the cowlitz.... it happens before you know it so be carefull or like AK said it will bite you.....
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Learning to run the traffic while trying to stay off the fishing water
You mean people really try and do that
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it was allot lower this time then the time we were out jim i got the boat into 10 inch water without hitting the prop on anything that hard 90 degree turn up from blue creek was fun but also a little hairy
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it was allot lower this time then the time we were out jim i got the boat into 10 inch water without hitting the prop on anything that hard 90 degree turn up from blue creek was fun but also a little hairy
Try sticking a couple of flyfishermen at the top of that turn, and you've got no where to go except right next to them.
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Like AK said, be careful, and you will run into trouble at some point, just don't panic and think about what you need to do before it happens. Mike looks like all we would need to do is get a hull and all your parts to make a new sled!!
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we have been very carefull hey jim have you been out fihing recently? we might be heading up to drano if you and al would like to come along
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it was allot lower this time then the time we were out jim i got the boat into 10 inch water without hitting the prop on anything that hard 90 degree turn up from blue creek was fun but also a little hairy
Do you really have a prop? I hope not. You can guide and hope you do great, but boat rides get old after a while. Good luck.
You need to be diverse these days, you need to know a little bit about a lot or nothing about anything. Don't take peoples money for nothing like so many others. I have trained many guides, just dont fall into the realm of most of the young standoffish guides. Be patient and respectful and ask questions from piers that are trustworthy and established. Have fun.
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i have a jet i was using my kicker thanks for the advice fishmaster
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You bet Fishyness,, just have fun. I can't say it to many times, don't fall into the wrong crew of fisherman. Patience is a virtue.
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Here I sound like Yoda and there are so many other great guides on the site. I have only about five years under the belt compared to twenty or more for many.
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Hey fishyness....
Just curious how your doing?!
Hope all goes well for you...!
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