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Marty, is it possible to sticky this?
Coastal Conservation Association is a tax-exempt 501 (c) (3) organization. Our federal ID number is 74-1984482.
All CCA state chapters operate under the same ID number. If you designate the state chapter you wish your gift to be credited to, we will ensure they receive the funds.
Thank you for your consideration of CCA.
Jerry Baker
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Phone: (713) 626-4234
Fax: (713) 626-5852
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What in the world does CCA National do with all of its money that they collect?
How much money did they make last year...or that all secret too?
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Your so anti-CCA, why do you even care? None of it's your money. 
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So why hide that information then? It's not your money! It all comes from the public...right?
Maybe if people knew what the CCA does with there money, they might support them even more...but then again, they may get a real big surprise just how much money the CCA really racks in and what they spend your money on.
But as always, every thing has to be a big secret with the CCA... right?
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WOW!!!
I just did a search on that tax CCA ID number and boy did I get a big eye awakening!
Now we know just how much the CCA collects, and spends your membership money and banquet funds on.
Wow!
http://204.203.220.33/EINS/741984482/741984482_2006_0375A14E.PDF
And there is more…
http://www.eri-nonprofit-salaries.com/in...2&Year=2008
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Man, just think how much good you could do if you put this much effort into saving the fish.
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I do!
And at the same time, I do try to save the fish
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Whos money are YOU using?
Let you in on a BIG secret. Life members actually only donate about 75 dollars to cca, the rest of it goes back to the state account. That is a 900 dollar donation to the state chapter. NO banquet money goes to national.
National also returns unspent money to the state chapters. In 2007 at the national board meeting, state board members to national voted unanimously to donate half of their refund to the new chapters of Oregon and Washington. That amounted to about 90,000 dollars seed money to ccapnw
Most of the 25 dollars is tax deductible. The 25 dollar membership has not gone up in 30 years. For that 25 you get a magazine, a newletter for those in the NW and you get two lobbyists at the national level and attorneys to defend our legislative or court wins. Cowlitz is just trying muddy the water as usual.
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Whos money are YOU using?
It's was not yours, Tacoma's, FOC"S or the CCA's,
DA!
And yes, all taxes where also paid by me 
Can you say the same?
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No, if you paid taxes, its apparently a for profit group.
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True, when one "walks his talk", that is how it works
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Care to share the books for CPR-Fish?
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Sure!
As long as you will share your tax returns also.
Fair enough?
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Sorry CFM but I haven't made any unsubstantiated claims such as you have to have used your own money to pay for what you claim to have done. So no proof...then we can only assume it is all just talk. DA!
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Sorry CFM but I haven't made any unsubstantiated claims such as you have to have used your own money to pay for what you claim to have done.
Sure you have!
Since CPR-Fish doesn't charge for membership, who's money do you think gets spent....the tooth fairies
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I perused this thread....I don't understand the pissing match??? CF,G, LB, anyone-else....this is typical of the inner-circle of sporties bashing each other when we are not the enemy...any one of you, or anyone else can PM me to let me in on the purpose of this thread....seems like a total waste of time an energy. Trouthhead hit the nail on the head.....yawn!~
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I guess that my reply be this:
1) Know who you give your sport dollars to
2) Know where your sport dollars are spent
3) Know what your sport dollars are being spent on
4) Know what you are supporting, before you support it
Those are now the Big "4 K's" in the fishing world of today!!
It's the next's generation step up from the old "4 H's" of the past!
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He forgot to mention, he ran into a brick wall named Bruce and he had to come over here and get in Aunty face, for his own ammusement.
So anyone, who donates to a nonprofit for humanity or saving anything on the planet is now fair game, because its all about the money and the four K's. Otherwise, this would revolve around Gary loomis and or some fish.
Either way, Bob is here to save you.
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4) Know what you are supporting, before you support it
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He forgot to mention, he ran into a brick wall named Bruce and he had to come over here and get in Aunty face
I guess the joke is on him, because he's on "ignore" just like the other one is. I haven't read their garbage in quite a while. 
Only those who deserve to be read will be read by me.
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Thanks M...perfect example why I don't post more on this forum...yawn! Mostly a select few trying to convince others....
ALL, if you haven't figured it out yet, the WWW is a place to bounce, you don't change peoples minds by posting poor comments..fishery, politics, religion....etc...doesn't matter...it's a futile attempt...go fishing!
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The only fishing those 2 do is trolling for stooges on the WWW. I'm still waiting for answers by the way...
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I'm still waiting for answers by the way...
what were the questions ?
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Boater, if you want to be part of the decision making process that defines CCA policy in the PNW, join, become active, and voice your opinion. It is a grassroots organization whose policy is defined by the members.
If you want to do nothing but criticize, take pot shots, and attempt to discredit people that are TRYING TO HELP OUR FISHERIES, go do it somewhere else. If you decide CCA is not for you, do it quietly. YOU are part of the problem our fisheries face. All sportfishermen need to work to positively change our situation. Any positive change is a good thing. If all CCA does is fix one of the problems all our fish face, or even reduce the impacts that one problem causes, it is a success.
What does your criticism of many of the groups that are trying to save our fisheries stem from? What does it do to help our fish? Are you in the fish extinction business, or politics? Serioulsy, I'd like answers.
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What does your criticism of many of the groups that are trying to save our fisheries stem from? What does it do to help our fish? Are you in the fish extinction business, or politics? Serioulsy, I'd like answers.
what groups are you talking about that are trying to save our fish ? , as far as i know we have alot of "quota" groups but very few that are actualy trying to save or rebuild fish runs.
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Ahhh, so you are a politician. That answered one of my questions. I actually figured you were a lobbiest for the salmon extinction industry.
My suggestion (since you are all knowing and all seeing) is that you form an organization that will unilaterally bring together all sportfishing interests in the PNW, and use the clout of hundreds of thousands of registered voters to force our politicians to push restoration. Make it happen. Obviously everyone else that has tried has failed, and each time a new apporach is attempted, you see fit to shoot it down. Show me how it is done.
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He forgot to mention, he ran into a brick wall named Bruce and he had to come over here and get in Aunty face, for his own ammusement.
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First off, Bruce and I are friends. We sometimes disagree with each other on a few fishing issues, but not many. The CCA happens to be one that we disagree on. I can fully understand why Bruce has to lock up threads about the CCA. If you read between the lines, the answer is pretty obvious to many. When one of the websites major sponsors (Three Rivers) is both pushing for the CCA and sponcering that forum, one really can't do much if they want that sponsor to continue its financial support of that forum. Maybe Bruce has others reasons too, but that one is pretty obvious to many. Bruce is a good guy and I respect him, but that does not mean that I must agree with him on every issue, and the CCA is one of them that we differ on.
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So anyone, who donates to a nonprofit for humanity or saving anything on the planet is now fair game, because its all about the money and the four K's. Otherwise, this would revolve around Gary loomis and or some fish.
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I really don't know where people such as you come up with that kind of monarchy! Everything and everybody is fair game when they have valid disagreement and issues. I and a few others have been right up front on what our concerns are about the CCA, yet some of you think that just because you support them and think that they can cure all of our fishery problems that NO ONE can question them on what they are planning to do to OUR fish or its fishery. This isn't china, and we have every right to question each other on our intentions or motives.
Especially when it comes down to any group telling people that if you don't join. Your part of the problem, or that you can't ask them what they intend to do OUR fisheries or OUR fish!
Where does any group think that they have the right to do that? What makes any group or its membership think that it's so special or great that they know what's best for "others" or the fish?
At some point in time, the CCA will have to start answering the many valid questions that the fishing public has been asking them. To date, they have failed miserably to do so and that will start showing when they statrt asking there past membership to renew.
Renew.... for what?? More of the same?
Yes, it's all about money, and the CCA is a perfect example of that.
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Cowlitzfisherman, you keep referring to "Especially when it comes down to any group telling people that if you don't join. Your part of the problem" I believe you are trying to quote me, and you are misrepresenting what I said.
I said Boater was part of the problem here in the PNW, not because he won't join CCA, but because he consistently tries to drive wedges between people and groups that are actually working to try to fix something (anything). If you want to steer clear of CCA, but still work to fix the PNW salmon crisis, you are part of the solution, and I tip my hat to you.
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My suggestion (since you are all knowing and all seeing) is that you form an organization that will unilaterally bring together all sportfishing interests in the PNW, and use the clout of hundreds of thousands of registered voters to force our politicians to push restoration. Make it happen. Obviously everyone else that has tried has failed, and each time a new apporach is attempted, you see fit to shoot it down. Show me how it is done.
like ive said for years, we need a group to start an inititive and ban the non-tribal nets off the columbia, keep them in the safe area`s and give more esa take to the sports fleet so we can have a longer season, it benifits the local economys and also, educate the public on the fact that the tribes catch enough fish for them, like ive said before, this state is 75 percent commercial harvest and 25 percent sports harvest, if you want to improve sport fishing do somthing to improve it.
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Man, I totally agree with that statement. We need a group to organize it and make it happen. I hearby nominate you as president. Let's get busy...
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Man, I totally agree with that statement. We need a group to organize it and make it happen. I hearby nominate you as president. Let's get busy...
thats probly what it will take since no other group out there will step up to the plate.
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Well, once you get approval for tax exempt status, and hire a couple world class lobbiests, you can start charging people 25 bucks a year to build a bank of funds up for the legal fights you will be facing. How long would it take to form an effective lobbying group, recruit and coordinate the efforts of 5 to 6 thousand people, and become a credible force in PNW politics?
OR, you could join an organization that already did this, and is working to remove commercial harvest from the LCR.
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I said Boater was part of the problem here in the PNW, not because he won't join CCA, but because he consistently tries to drive wedges between people and groups that are actually working to try to fix something (anything).
i just call the b-s like i see it, sorry if facts offend you.
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I have no probelem with that. However, show me 1 thing you have done to HELP our anadromous fisheries...
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I have no probelem with that. However, show me 1 thing you have done to HELP our anadromous fisheries...
i seldom fish in this state for salmon anymore, i`m trying to lower my take of esa listed fish.
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Then you must be fishin one of those pay to fish ponds.
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Well since boater is out of witty points might as well close this one down. Next?
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