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Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially)
      #185097 - 05/05/05 10:00 AM

(This is real. Ladies & Kidies under 15 Be warned.)
http://dogbegone.com/video.htm


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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: JimW]
      #185100 - 05/05/05 10:22 AM

As a hunter and "sportsman" I found that pretty repulsive, whoever was pulling the trigger is neither a hunter or "sportsman" and is giving us a bad name and giving P.E.T.A. and other anti-hunting groups great ammo to use against us, Aix if you enjoyed that or if that was you pulling the trigger your a *^$ *&^% idiot and doing a major dis-service to the rest of us, thanks. Do hunters a favor and delete this post.

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Re: Regulators to ban hunting via Internet new [Re: AkKings]
      #185102 - 05/05/05 10:39 AM

Good deal. The idea was stupid.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/24hour/consumer/outdoors/story/2367422p-10611293c.html

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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: AkKings]
      #185103 - 05/05/05 10:50 AM

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As a hunter and "sportsman" I found that pretty repulsive, whoever was pulling the trigger is neither a hunter or "sportsman" and is giving us a bad name and giving P.E.T.A. and other anti-hunting groups great ammo to use against us, Aix if you enjoyed that or if that was you pulling the trigger your a god damn idiot and doing a major dis-service to the rest of us, thanks. I won't use or promote your business, though I hadn't planned on it anyways as I'm not impressed by it. Do hunters a favor and delete this post.







You have your mommy still change your dipers too. thats the way resort to name calling. And that’s mature aswell, resort to remarks about my work. Good one …

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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: JimW]
      #185104 - 05/05/05 10:56 AM

Great vids! Now if we could just put the crosshairs on some sealions...

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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: JimW]
      #185106 - 05/05/05 10:56 AM

Post like this do nothing more then give hunters a blackeye, whats the point of it other then do our sport more harm, can you give me a good answer to this question? Doubt it!

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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: JimW]
      #185107 - 05/05/05 10:58 AM

So I guess you wont use the sportsman’s warehouse no more either since they’re the ones selling the video.
Strait off the Home page......


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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: JimW]
      #185109 - 05/05/05 11:05 AM

Never been there, thats about 50 miles out of the way for me!
Can you answer my question? what is the purpose of putting something on the internet that can (and will) be used against hunters? pretty simple question.


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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: JimW]
      #185111 - 05/05/05 11:06 AM

. It makes you more accurate at shooting long distances; have you ever shot a prairie dog? Or antelope?
They aren’t close. What some call fun, may not be what others do. You ever see what prairie dogs do to a field if not controlled?
Most are killed with chemicals I would rather be shoot quickly as to be gassed to death.

We shoot prairie dogs to control there population and get keyed in for 400 yard + shots for antelope.


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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: JimW]
      #185114 - 05/05/05 11:09 AM

Still doesn't answer the question, WHY post it on the internet?

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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: AkKings]
      #185116 - 05/05/05 11:12 AM

They already know about it, you think we don’t already deal with it there crape
It’s a video that is out what’s the difference if its added to the internet.
Hell three days after I started my web sit I had hate mail from them. Who cares what a bunch of Winnie terrorist classified morons think. The pro hunters were already fighting them on this video before it was even released.

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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: JimW]
      #185117 - 05/05/05 11:14 AM

man, I did that enough times when I was a teenager that I shouldn't talk, but I REALLY don't want my kid seeing that (at least until the testosterone bloodlust kicks in about 10 years from now) , he would have nightmares for a week! I remember it being a blast (pun intended) but seeing it on film kind of brings how gross an exploding groundsquirrel is right out into the open. But hey, like I said I did it, and thought it was fun, and I suppose with enough beers I could watch it and laugh, so more power to ya if you want to buy it....just think about it before you pop Bob the Builder out of the VCR and plug that thing in OK?

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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: Al]
      #185120 - 05/05/05 11:17 AM

Thats why I put up the warning.

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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: JimW]
      #185121 - 05/05/05 11:18 AM

Heh, overlooked that, you even got the age right!

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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: Al]
      #185122 - 05/05/05 11:19 AM

Ive seen a hell of alot worse things on the internet...

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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: Al]
      #185124 - 05/05/05 11:20 AM

we (hunters) just keep shooting ourselves in the foot.
Thats ok, I haven't been able to hunt in a couple years and in a few more years, neither will anyone else.


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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: Outlaw76]
      #185126 - 05/05/05 11:23 AM

Well to the rest I am sorry if it offends, and I hope you wouldn’t let that discourage giving me a chance for your taxidermy needs. I will have better pics up soon on my web site, of my work. The pitchers don’t do me justice at all, if you need better info I have references you can call. Or you can see my work at bay street outfitters in P.O. and the Pizza Factory in P.O.
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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: Al]
      #185127 - 05/05/05 11:26 AM

I found the video to be quite funny. those little bastards destroy lots of fields over here and some farmers actually pay people to kill them.
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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: Dances]
      #185128 - 05/05/05 11:29 AM

Which is why we got away with doing it as teenagers, the farmers with fields near the edge of the sagebrush would pay us for the tails of the ones we killed, same with gophers, although we USUALLY trapped those.

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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: Outlaw76]
      #185129 - 05/05/05 11:29 AM

Yes, there are worse things on the Internet.

Worse for hunters? Not really.

I saw those vids months ago, and I too found them to be extremely violent and not necessary.

Having spent the better part of 10 years market hunting coyotes, bobcat, etc. and having killed a couple thousand critters, I consider the total waste of an animal (as shown in the vid) as something that serves no purpose whatsoever. Neither the meat, nor hide is of any use after that bullet arrives.

This kind of mentality among a few hunters, giving the rest a bad name, is why many of us have hung up our guns, and bows.

Fine, the dogs have to be killed off...but to revile in the explosive nature of a 55 gr.HP doing 4000 fps.+ and hitting a small, thin boned animal is a bit too much, IMO.

Few will argue that the PD's don't need to be controlled...they do, but don't go filming the explosive end to their lives.

Vids like that only provide more ammo to the anti-hunting crowd, and worse yet, if the "fence-sitters" (not anti-hunting.... yet) see that video it really forms a bad opinion of what SPORTSMEN are all about. Is that what you want?

Just because someone has the "right" to sell that video, does not make it the "right" thing to do.

NOTHING GOOD can come from this video, IMO.

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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: AkKings]
      #185130 - 05/05/05 11:31 AM

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AkKings said:
we (hunters) just keep shooting ourselves in the foot.
Thats ok, I haven't been able to hunt in a couple years and in a few more years, neither will anyone else.




Where do you get that????
I answered your question, what’s your response?
So now in a few we won’t be able to hunt cause of a video????
We see kill shots on cable hunting shows every day.
Are supposed to live in a shell cause of a few others????
that’s why the anties win people wont stand up for there rights and Hide or give up Just like your quote proves........

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Re: Regulators to ban hunting via Internet new [Re: Trouthead]
      #185131 - 05/05/05 11:34 AM

Im not sure if this is what your getting at here trouthead but this isnt hunting on the internet. Its just a video of people shooting prarie dogs.

Having lived in Wyoming for a few years, its actually quite common to shoot prarie dogs just like aix said. The are like little moles of the prarie. People shoot them to regulate their population and save their fields. Not sure how good of an idea it is to make a video of it like this but never the less it happens every day.

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Good deal. The idea was stupid.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/24hour/consumer/outdoors/story/2367422p-10611293c.html




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Re: Just for the animal lovers( PETA especially) new [Re: JimW]
      #185133 - 05/05/05 11:40 AM

I can understand both sides of the issue. On one hand, like aixponsa said, they show animals being shot every day on cable, so what's the big deal? On the other I can see where someone, even on the pro-hunting/firearms side of the issue, would have a problem with it, since it is so graphic and pointless. But as far as this video swaying people against hunting/firearms, who is gonna see it? The link will probably only be found be enthusiasts and die-hard antis, who MIGHT show it to other die-hard antis. Where is the "fence-sitter" gonna see it? They won't buy it at Sportsman's just to be disgusted, and they won't likely attend an anit-hunting conference or meeting where it might be shown. The video MAY be reprehensible, but lets not blow the importance of a single video out of proportion.

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Re: Regulators to ban hunting via Internet new [Re: Neurosis]
      #185134 - 05/05/05 11:45 AM

Just read what MikeB said, thats basically what I'm trying to say.

I have know problem with a picture of a deer/elk/whatever that was humanely killed during a hunting season that will be used to feed someone's family, video's like yours I picture a couple good old boys with their monster truck right behind them with a bunch of Schmidt beer cans scattered around (along with shell casings) and roars of laughter every time they blow 1 up. Pretty sporting. I, as a hunter that only shoots what I am going to eat, don't want to be looked upon like that.


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Re: Regulators to ban hunting via Internet new [Re: AkKings]
      #185135 - 05/05/05 11:52 AM

" But as far as this video swaying people against hunting/firearms, who is gonna see it? "

IF I was the marketing director for an anti-hunting group I would be sending out hundreds of thousands of E-mails with links to those video's. I would send that stuff to every person I could find.

I would try to get as many "fence-sitters" as I could to watch it...people from the cities that have no idea what real hunting is. I would show them that...and say "SEE! THIS is what hunters do!"

And....in the end... I would gain many thousands of votes for banning hunting.

If I was an eco-wacko, that is.

That is how that video can sway non-hunters into being ANTI hunters.

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Re: Regulators to ban hunting via Internet new [Re: AkKings]
      #185138 - 05/05/05 11:55 AM

I want to know what on earth this has to do with Steelhead or Salmon? Maybe it should be moved?? I for one do hunt, but don't like seeing videos like this.....It's not all about just killing something.....Ok, unless it's abig one of these but as far as I know ya can't shoot em!!!

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Re: Regulators to ban hunting via Internet new [Re: fishguidebrian]
      #185141 - 05/05/05 11:59 AM

I will agree with brian I put this up as a responce to the stop thread I started so will a mod please move this to the Hunting form Jim

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Re: Regulators to ban hunting via Internet new [Re: JimW]
      #185142 - 05/05/05 12:04 PM

Im sorry I cant hold it in.....
Prairie dog the other stew meet...no cleaning necessary just rinse off...

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Re: Regulators to ban hunting via Internet new [Re: fishguidebrian]
      #185144 - 05/05/05 12:06 PM

Well here in Washington the PETA types got bear baiting banned, hound hunting banned, and grip type traps banned. If enough of them see videos like this, and they distribute it to the general public, then the next thing you know varmint hunting will be banned.

I'm a hunter and I don't have a problem with varmint shooting, but you have to remember we're in the minority, if an initiative to ban varmint hunting was started here in Washington, all they would have to do is run that video on TV ads, and 2/3 of the people in this state would support the initiative to ban varmint hunting.

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Re: Regulators to ban hunting via Internet new [Re: Quillback]
      #185145 - 05/05/05 12:19 PM

AKKings,
I'll bet you don't hunt for the biggest set of horns you can find do you?

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      #185148 - 05/05/05 12:26 PM

Nope, I've got 1-3x4 buck numerous 2pts. & spikes and a cow elk, If its legal I'm not picky!

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Re: Regulators to ban hunting via Internet new [Re: AkKings]
      #185158 - 05/05/05 01:22 PM

On the rare occasions I hunt, I bowhunt only with traditional equipment. As for horns? In the dozen or more deer I have taken only one had horns, and that was a spike buck.

Never shot an Elk, although plenty of opportunities have crossed my path. Don't need that much meat, so why kill it?
If you need the meat to feed the family, then by all means shoot one..;-)

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Re: Regulators to ban hunting via Internet new [Re: MikeB]
      #185160 - 05/05/05 01:37 PM

People need lighten up a bit. I thought the video was a great display of marksmanship.

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      #185162 - 05/05/05 01:56 PM

Dave,
Only showing another stupid idea. Sit at home and kill or wound game in another state. That's not too sporting. I hunt, shoot to kill, prepare the animal and eat it. I don't kill just to kill (except when defending the country).

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      #185179 - 05/05/05 04:32 PM

Aix,
You’re a taxidermist? Someone like you should have a little more respect for animals, regardless of their size or status. Did you even consider posting something like this has the potential to negatively impact your business?

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Aix,
You’re a taxidermist? Someone like you should have a little more respect for animals, regardless of their size or status. Did you even consider posting something like this has the potential to negatively impact your business?




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I do shoot prairie dogs when I have a place to do it.( If any one has One call me please) I haven’t in about 8 years now, I even use a 10/22 some times, so I can mount one or two. Too many people are fake. I’m not this cater to the crowd type. This is who I am, Take me or leave me, I don’t really care, I do dam nice work and if the fact that I blow up a few prairie dogs every few years means that you, or any body thinks I’m a bad person, I’m sorry. But I will not change who I am or what I believe for no one. I would rather not work for some one who thinks I should change or be a fake, that’s not me. You say and I quote: You’re a taxidermist? Someone like you should have a little more respect for animals, regardless of their size or status.

What dose shooting prairie dogs with hi powered rifles or the .17 have to do with me not respecting the animals. I have more respect than most any hunter on these boards. I spend, and have spent Hrs studying animals Just to capture there life likeness. You’re assuming that, and that’s wrong.
when these dogs are shot, and we leave. the predators come in and eat what’s left. As do the birds of pray, or in some cases if I stay around, a few of the predators fall to the needs of the taxidermist in me. I’m mounting a very nice Coyote now that will be just awesome. But nothings wasted it keeps the population down, and I become a more ethical shooter. I have seen several people talk about taking more than one shot to kill and that’s never happened to me. So tell me where is the respect at there? Respecting the animal is not seeing it suffer to me. How bout you?
Let me tell you, they are not suffering in that clip.
I’ve heard quite a few good ones, even on this board about how they had to run after it, and track it, shoot it again, then track it some more. Real respectful wouldn’t you say?

So Its like the word, or meaning of ethical. its to ones self criticism and or conviction.

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      #185217 - 05/05/05 09:38 PM

Everyone has his/her own opinions as far as the definition of ethical. Mine is obviously a far cry from yours. I don't believe killing is a sport, I believe God put certain animals on this Earth for a reason, and hunting for food is certainly in my scope of ethical behaviour. As is fishing when fish that are mortally wounded are kept and eaten. (When legal of course) When you make remarks like "What dose shooting prairie dogs with hi powered rifles or the .17 have to do with me not respecting the animals. I have more respect than most any hunter on these boards." I can't help but wonder if you're even serious. Are you? I mean I can agree to disagree, but I think you missed the point I originally was making- If you have a business that can be negatively affected by this kind of attitude, it doesn't mean your "fake" if you keep your opinions on the downlow when it's controversial. It's like when Springsteen did the whole Democratic rally's for John Kerry, his cd sales plummetted. I'm only saying it might not be a wise business move.

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And by the way, I think you do kickass work, too, if that steelie mount from the site support auction forum is any indication.

But if a fellow knew of someone else who was equally talented, and both of you guys were available at the same prices, they might be forced to make their decision on who they'd hire based on other considerations....and something like this might be one of them. Are you smelling what I'm stepping in yet? I'm not judging you or your ethics, I'm only pointing out the possible ramifications your outspoken attitude may have on your livelihood, and I just hope you see what I'm saying, whether you think it might affect you or whether you really give a rat's a** or not.


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Have to throw in my two cents. Sorry, blew up too many of these critters to count. Growing up in a small town would I rather go and be outside with nature and a few buddies, or getting drunk and high like 90% of all the other kids. You'll sound like a bunch of Californians to me, but hey, just my opinion, I don't think that hunting will ever be banned. One of the reasons I shot the little varmits was cause they dig holes, the cow steps in the hole, breaks its flippin leg, and walah, theres a bunch of money down the drain for the rancher. Now do I believe that its couth to put pictures like this on the internet? THERES ALOT WORSE OUT THERE. Now if it was a poacher or a snagger(or seal/sea lion) I wouldn't have any problems watching it. Amazing to see the power of modern day fire arms. Oh ya, I also didn't just KILL the poor little suckers, I learned a bunch from doing it, LIKE FIREARM SAFETY and marksmenship. But each to his own

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Wow, Just got the videos to come through, didn't know the disease laden critters could disappear that fast. Pretty gory, that would look bad to a PETA person

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      #185273 - 05/06/05 10:43 AM

Well, we should probably stop posting any pictures and discussing successful hunts at all, because someone might be offended or it may be used against hunters. Probably should do the same with the fishing pics, because they might offend too. Lets just shut it all down and be quiet, and they might not ban hunting...

Why isn't there this much flack about the posts talking about killing seals, sea lions, cats, etc? Isn't it the same thing? Or am I missing something. This is just more explicit, but is there really a difference? I can assure you that the anti hunters don't like ANY of it.

I heard about videos like these (not sure if they are the same or not) a couple of years ago. One was called "exploding varmints", I think. Its not a new thing. They are pretty graphic, but so is a video of a deer that is shot with an arrow that shows it running off - and that gets shown on TV almost every day. So, just because that deer is eaten and the prarie dog isn't, there will be no difference to an anti hunter.

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downtown: thank you for the compliment, and I do understand what your saying and apriciate it. Jim

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      #185288 - 05/06/05 12:54 PM

Well, people can hunt gophers with hand grenades and film it all and I would not care, but if that video gets in the wrong hands it going to be bad publicity for hunters. When the antis were campaigning here in Washington to get trapping banned they ran ads with pictures of animals stuggling in traps and those types of ads swayed people to pass the anti-trapping laws we now have. There was also a movement to ban bow hunting in Washington which fortunatley did not make it to the ballot, but if it does then the antis will use pictures, videos, of animals staggering off with arrows in their bodies, now again it doesn't bother me to watch hunting shows on TV, but we hunters do need to consider how the folks out there view us and our sport, most people don't hunt and they do not understand the sport, and when hunting issues come up on the ballot we need to make sure voters have the best image of us and our sport in their minds. And don't think the PETA types aren't working night and day to figure out ways to change hunting laws or ban hunting altogether, that's what those folks do and they have the money and time to do their best to make things hard on us.

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      #185290 - 05/06/05 12:57 PM

I should have said if hunting gophers with hand grenades was Legal, I would not care - before someone freaks out.

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Nice job trying to explain it to them Quillback, but some people will never get it! I enjoy my hunting and shooting as much as anyone.
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      #185341 - 05/06/05 05:59 PM

So then why don’t we and the pro hunting crowd show all the video of the terrorist acts that the antis have done, fight them back at there own game.
Show the dog kennels and logging trucks torched and all the taxidermy death hate mail. We need to get their tax-exempt taken away. And don’t for get the Humane society I bet 50% of the people on this board at one time either them or there wife’s have supported them. They’re a private organization with tax exempt and state support. Some of the biggest antis there is, and Hunters that cry and moan and still sit on there but.
Heck every one here was to be honest I bet quite a few Hunters voted for the trapping ban them selves. And why??? They go with the flow and didn’t do it so didn’t care, and now are crying about it. I personally know 4 people that hunt that did.
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      #185342 - 05/06/05 06:03 PM

Oh this topic just wouldn't be any good at all without my .02

FOR SHAME! You all (especially you Aix!) should show far more compassion for your PETA friends Do you have any idea? Any at all?

If the US suffered a natural disaster, or our country had a severe economic collapse, all those veg heads will most likely die by the thousands. Can you say starvation? Yes sir... with no grocery store or fancy restaraunt to cater to them, they would surely starve. Most have absolutely no skill whatsoever in finding their own food in the wild.

Now, considering their brains are already malnourished from a lack of sufficient proteins, at the very least, we should understand that they no longer have the mental capacity for intensive critical thinking.

So... if you consider yourself a kind and compassionate human being, be prepared and when you encounter a PETA freak, offer them a rare T-bone steak. You could be saving their lives!

PETA is perfectly capable of faking videos and lying. I wouldn't worry about any real videos giving them fuel for their fires.

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      #185344 - 05/06/05 06:09 PM

well said aunty:
thank you much for your .02

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      #185392 - 05/07/05 07:35 AM

Good point Aunty, Having known a few - and converted a couple of vegetarians (bacon wrapped venison on the grill... YUM! - dinner tonite ) Its amazing how they can change.

What I was trying to say is that the hard core antis are going to use everything that we say or do against us. So, avoiding my comment about the seals and sea lions, cats, etc, is exactly the point. It is an example of how many of us can be pointed at in the same way some of you are pointing out the methods used in this film. Yes, the film is more graphic, but there are many people on this board who would love that film if it was seals or sea lions, or am I wrong? Does everyone who makes those comments intend to eat those animals? People shouldn't say things just because the internet gives them a little anonymity, the antis don't care where it is.

The antis hate me as a bowhunter, its one of their top priorities from what I've been reading. They hate me as a hunter and fisherman in general, because I take animal life and eat it. They hate all of us because we get off on our "fish porn" on this and other boards. They do not want to see any of it. Our excitement only fuels their fire. Talking about shooting animals and fishing for any purpose is bad according to their skewed point of view.

So, yes, this film is graphic, but the true big picture is, If you are going to have this much of a fit about it, we should just stop it all.

The only thing we can do is to produce the best possible image of our sports. The antis hate us regardless of what we do. But having a fit about a video and ignoring other comments made on the same board is absurd.

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      #185419 - 05/07/05 09:41 AM

One of the things that I don't think is well understood, but most of us know to be true, is that eventually, shock value of PETA types of campaigns that intend one thing, wind up achieving another.

At some point, PETA is not going to get the desired reaction to their propaganda. People, even children, easily become desensitized to the "shock" factor.

What hunters need to do is hammer home the "domestic terrorist" label and unamerican label.

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      #185477 - 05/07/05 08:57 PM

I remember seeing some vegan puke at the folklife festival in Seattle a few years back showing how they slaughter pigs on a video he had set up. "How horrible," he was saying to the crowd when I chime in, "Yeah, see the way they cut the tenderloin in half?" If he wouldn't have weighed 90 pounds, he had the look of hate in his eyes, I'm sure he would have come over and tapped his finger on my chest.

I've seen the videos before. Really all it is was a photo shoot of a depredation hunt. Getting rid of a pest. Sorry if I'm desensitised, but people who hunt provide a service, controlling populations when need be. I will never make an excuse for taking an animal, or for others who take animals, in a fair chase situation. If we kowtow to their sensibilities, we take a step towards what they want. Every step closer is another on the way to that slippery slope.

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      #186103 - 05/11/05 04:06 PM

who do i call? and where do I sign? I would love to shoot some of them doggies.I would like to see what the 30-06 would do to one of them.Looks like all ya have to do is wait for one to out of its hole and then .

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      #186188 - 05/11/05 11:50 PM

whats so funny about shooting little animals? its kind of twisted that people find it "funny".. but i can see where it would be needed; controling populations etc.. but if anyone likes doing it.. please seek help because you need it.

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I must be some sort of sicko. I get a great deal of pleasure and satisfaction killing a pest. I also get pleasure from yanking a fish to the boat for some unknown, but apparently disgusting? reason. I don't call it funny, but some might use that term.

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I laughed at the scene in Pulp fiction where the black kid in the back of the car was shot in the head by John Travolta. I'm sick.

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LMAO! That is the coolest thing since peeled potatoes!

Holy macaroni them things just explode! A bullet the diameter of a bb dang! The vapor trail! Cool!

I must be really sick and I dont give a prarie dogs butt what bunnie huggers think, that is some cool footage!
I guess I should be on paxil or zoloft or prozac or whatever so I fit in with the rest of the socialistic commies, **** that.

Oh I shouldnt fish in public cause I might offend a peta supporter, Sheesh give me a break them bunnie huggers dont need any footage to get them riled up, and it aint going to change there #1 purpose, that is imposing there boring loser lifestile on others. If you dont hunt thats fine with me, I am not going to force it on you! As far as being ethical? who cares, its fun,legal and there destructive vermin!

I shoot rats all the time and its a blast. I sure the hell am not going to eat the dam things. They suffer alot more then them prairie dogs do, I dont always get a good clean shot and they run and tumble all over the place. The prairie dogs just go poof! heck, there buddies dont even know whats going on! BTW if this offends you be reminded this is a hunting forum.

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      #188012 - 05/19/05 09:29 PM

Maybe because I'm a younger member I find the video amaizing and funny. The marksmanship is great and it's funny to see those ground squirells get shot. I've shot plenty of these things but people are allowed their own opinion.

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I laughed at the scene in Pulp fiction where the black kid in the back of the car was shot in the head by John Travolta. I'm sick.




Haha... I laughed my A off at that one too. It wasnt the fact that he shot him, it was the reaction. They didnt give to craps about that kid. They were more worried about the car being messy.


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I guess those of us that have sex, shouldn't let our pregnant partners walk around in public as it will influence others

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And don’t for get the Humane society I bet 50% of the people on this board at one time either them or there wife’s have supported them. They’re a private organization with tax exempt and state support. Some of the biggest antis there is, and Hunters that cry and moan and still sit on there but.





Do not get the Humane Society (reputable group) mixed up with the "Humane Society of the United States" (PETA type group that uses the name as play on words to confuse people).

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And don’t for get the Humane society I bet 50% of the people on this board at one time either them or there wife’s have supported them. They’re a private organization with tax exempt and state support. Some of the biggest antis there is, and Hunters that cry and moan and still sit on there but.





Do not get the Humane Society (reputable group) mixed up with the "Humane Society of the United States" (PETA type group that uses the name as play on words to confuse people).




I had no idea the Humane society of the United States was anything like Peta.


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      #196455 - 07/19/05 01:33 PM

Here is a link to a pdf file with testimony before Congress in who these bad guys are. Yes, HSUS is listed. This is very good background. Take note that these people are attempting to mainstream their agenda's into our culture, but are quite literally, criminal terrorists!

Environmental and animal rights terrorism

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aixsponsa said:
And don’t for get the Humane society I bet 50% of the people on this board at one time either them or there wife’s have supported them. They’re a private organization with tax exempt and state support. Some of the biggest antis there is, and Hunters that cry and moan and still sit on there but.





Do not get the Humane Society (reputable group) mixed up with the "Humane Society of the United States" (PETA type group that uses the name as play on words to confuse people).




lookes like one and the same.....

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      #196592 - 07/20/05 03:23 PM

I suppose you hide your fish when you deliver a wood shampoo, and don't smile while catching a hatchery fish that is soon to have the shiznit knocked out of it. I suppose gaffing tuna and other salt water fish is a no no also. how can you call yourself a hunter if you haven't hunted in 3 years. Where I come from you would be an ex-hunter.

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