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I think they are capable of making pink mist.
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Way, way back a bunch of .220 Swift fans went out to kill all kinds of big game to show off their prowess.
To make a long story short, they made some spectacular kills ..... but if the bullet struck bone, it blew up on the surface, and left a gaping but superficial wound, requiring a long follow up, and NOT always successful.
This inconvenient example is evidence that it is not too smart of a practice to hunt deer (and larger) with a .22 centerfire rifle, at least for me.
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Ditto Bobk....why go there when you don't have too?
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A .22 long rifle makes for a nice close range weapon for deer. Head shot...all or nothing. Logic would tell me that a .224 would be more than ample.
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I'm pretty hip on shooting meat in the head,as a rule.
I'm pretty hip on killing it, as a rule.
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I've never shot to be nice and have no plans to start shooting with love.
I don't think "love" ever enters into the equation when out hunting for meat. There are more important benefits than sympathy when speaking of a good, clean kill.
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I'd guess but I can't see any of your pictures unfortunately, due to the fact that I've been banned from photobucket for posting pictures of naked chicks.
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CNS action.
that's funny 
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I'll wager a guess on the first buck in the first video, how about .270 Weatherby with a 150gr PSP? The second gun sounded quieter, maybe a 25-.06 with a 130 boattail spire point? Sh*t I don't know...
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CNS action.
That’s some funny sh!t right there. It looks like that bear is having fresh steaks tonight, unless you dropped him to. Sweet video.
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I make no claims as being any sort of a firearms expert, so I'll end my guessing.
Did you blaze that bear that was fixin' to chow your buck?
How about a guess on the rifle/bullet that did this one?
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You're probably close on the impact velocity, I can't recall the ballistics chart for yardage off the top of my head. But it was a 275 yard shot uphill at close to a 45 degree angle at 5500 feet elevation into an approximately 10 mph breeze, air temp was near 25F. Muzzle velocity for this round is about 3050 fps.
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.270 Win, Remington 130 gr PSP Core-Lokt ammo, Haven't gotten around to loading my own yet.
Bullet hit dead square on a rib, normally it doesn't jello the flank like that, but this was a different story. Oh well, dead deer and meat loss was minimal. A little meat loss in the flank ain't bad when you got a five mile hike back to camp.
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The guy with the deer on his back on the ATV, that is funny as hell. Is one of those dudes your Dad? Anyhow, you ever thought about compiling your vids and selling them in some sort of production?
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No but I have some friends that do and I've done a little with them from time to time. My Dad used to reload as well. It's something that I'm going to get into once I get my crap organized around the homestead. It's fun, somethin' you can do all year round. I can tell from folks who reload that it's much more rewarding to down a critter with something you call your "own brand" so to speak.
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Well I know some guides are blood sucking sonsabitches but there's alot of good men out there who guide that share your values. If you do something you love and get paid for it at the same time, hell that's a natural bonus.
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Reloading opens windows of opportunity,that Factory stuff can't begin to come close too. Easy to take a "regular" rifle to a whole new level of ability,with a simple ammo upgrade.
A guy has finite control and such things routinely bear much fruit.
I hear that, if you've got finite control it's best to max it out to the best of your abilities. I'm learning new things about my rifle every year it seems. I had some old Winchester shells that somebody tossed in a shell box, and I figgered I'd burn 'em up while I was sighting in my rifle before season. I'd never shot anything in it other than the CL loads, my Dad swears by them, and you grow up with the biases of your parents, some good, some ain't. So I'm shootin pretty well at 300 with the CL and I go and chamber the old Winchester rounds...hell I damn near flew off the whole target. Amazing how the slight variances of powder, bullet, casing, and even primer can become big ass problems at distance.
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An all too common scenario of common sense being hamstrung and gutted by politics.
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Does high load density compromise burn efficiency? Or is there a trade off where you may not get a relative high percentage of burned powder but the sheer density of powder makes up for any loss of energy?
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Those issues are greatly seperate,from a Mandate stating a Guide as your ONLY option.
That is bullshit.
That situation sounds like a whole lotta horseshit. I'm more of self-guided type of dude myself. If I want to hunt alone on public land, then I should have that right. But on the other hand, if I want a guide to go along to pack my whiskey, then I should have that right as well. But CHOICE is the key, or Liberty, Free Will...whatever the hell you prefer.
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I've heard a guide is not required for non-res if you're hunting with an Ak res......Any truth to that, Stick?
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Thanks for sharing your "learnin'" with me BS. Nice bullsh*ttin' with ya. Have a good weekend, I gotta go drop some change in the bank, grab a half gallon, and head up the road.
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Interesting......those blacktails sure look like fun, seems to be no shortage either! Sweet vids BTW. Maybe someday.......Thanks for the info...
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Ballistic Coefficient is a measure of how streamlined a bullet is that is how well it cuts through the air. It is the ratio of a bullet's sectional density to its coefficient form. Ballistic Coefficient is a measure of air drag. The higher the number the less drag, and the more efficiently the bullet cuts through the air. So for bullets flying through the air efficiently, the bigger the Ballistic Coefficient number the better.
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Also the bigger Balistic Coefficient # the flatter it will shoot at long range. Powder choice and grains will highly affect how a pee shooter performs..
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Personally I like 4831 I go by the book and start at the hottest load my lyman tells me and drop 1/2 grain every 3 and take er for a test shoot..Compressed loads shoot in some better then others so never think more powder is better..
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Tony - Gotcha 
No firearms expert either. But either way, hard to argue with results.
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The Sierra Match Kings are no hunting bullet, perhaps thats why they failed to kill.....you think??
Do yourself & your game a favor & try some 300 WSM factory loads made for deer.
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SD (sectional density) is important because it has a huge effect on penetration. Other things being equal like impact velocity, bullet design and material the higher the SD number, the better the bullet's penetration.
I'm no expert but heres what I know about what I shoot a .243 (6mm) 100 grain has the same SC as a .277 (.270) 130 grain. Now most would ask "you would see them as equals for killin" answer is no. But they should inpart hold together and penetrate if they were of equal velocity and the bullet makeup was the same..
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With that said I will take a 130grain flyin at 2950-3050 fps over a 100 grain flyin at 3100-3200 fps..Even though Velocity has a big part in energy the bigger, touch slower projectile will have more knockdown power. And windage will affect the 100 vs 130 more..But thats where people came be misconstrued elevation is huge as well and reloading makes a huge difference along with of course, barrel length and twist. If one decides a hotter load is better they could be making a huge mistake!
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That is like compairing a 300wm vs .338 the balistics are better on the 300 most would argue this.
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What are the seasons/bag limits on deer up there, and what's the reasoning behind the minibikes?
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This Buck took (3) 175SMK's via my 1-10" 24" Hart barreled 300WSM at 3150fps launch and 350yds to the victim. Abysmal projectile performance.
Just curious....it appears as if two rounds landed near the hind quarter, any chances that predicated needing the third?
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With all your talk of B-C, S-D, M-V & impact velocitys, you sound like a rifleman, so.... how can you be so clueless on your bullet choice??
From Sierra's website......
Match King – The trade name given to any of Sierra’s match-grade target bullets. All currently produced Match Kings are of hollow-point design, with all but one (.224 dia. 53 gr. Match King) having boat tails. Despite their hollow-point design, Match Kings are not intended to expand on impact, and should not be used for big-game hunting.
Re-read that last line a few times...
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Like I stated before a heavier lug will have more knockdown if flown at the right speed.. For trajectory a 300 outperforms a 338 no doubt..Sure you can shoot a 300 grain round nose out of a 338 while your lookin at a 220 out of a 300..
We can argue all day but it comes down to preference for most!
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With all your talk of B-C, S-D, M-V & impact velocitys, you sound like a rifleman, so.... how can you be so clueless on your bullet choice?
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Preference has zero bearing on absolutes...though BC and initial launch speed very much do. Not everything is equal,nor is it close.
I sense that you are more than just a little,in over your head. Will happily give you a chance to prove same,by hoping you'll substantiate "For trajectory a 300 outperforms a 338 no doubt",as that oughtta be very revealing.
So you are trying to tell me no matter what your shooting its absolute.. NOT
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No arguing more like pickin your brain matter.. sounds like you have fair knowledge on this just throwing out what little I know to gather more knowledge base..
But I'm sorry I cant match you other then my ass and your face in compairison..
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You can toss as much bullshit out as you want, don't bitch about bullet performance on game when your shooting a target bullet at them.
With so many GOOD hunting 30 cal. bullets why would you pick the 175 gr. Sierra MK for your 300 WSM??
Its just beyond stupid....
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Buzz words to the hilt being tossed around here, Don't get me wrong I believe shooting and knowing the technicalities involved is an outstanding hobby........ Someday I'll prolly get involved myself. I have a buddy who loads my stuff for me and does an excellent job. Nosler partitions in Rem 7mm mag and the 'ol 30-06. 160gr and 180gr respectively. My rifles are deadly and have proven that many times over.
It's funny but I've always been of the opinion that knowing the behavior and habits of your quarry is far more important than squeezing every ounce of accuracy out of your rifle. Not to mention being physically capable of pursuing them......Not that there's anything wrong with being an expert rifleman. good on ya for covering all bases.
The friend I mentioned who is a certified gun nut knows rifles and reloading inside and out....He's done work on just about every rifle I own. But he never kills $hit. I never tell him this, but he spends way too much time and effort making sure his rifles are dialed....he's missing the most important aspect....being mentally and physically prepared to do the job. A highly accurate rifle is great but not necessary.......... Obviously you guys don't fall into that catagory.....
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Humorous to me,that those running on double digit IQ's and who are oblivious to most all things the rifle,wanna shift gears and bark up another tree.
It's the Indian not the arrow...but beware the Best Indian,with the best arrows.
A man can have his cake and eat it too and such things routinely interest me. Splendid specimens do not magically appear at one's feet,nor succumb vicariously.
Much to that.
Indians....Whatever. I wonder if these critters gave a $hit about sectional density or pretty (gay) camo rifles.....
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I see you renewed your subscription to Field and Stream.... how come only dinks feature your ugly mug? four of those rats could'nt equal my smallest....... reconsider hanging my pics, your wife will thank you......
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Tiny deer or thier relative B&C status interest me less than none.......other than for target practice....Which is what you use them for....a Hunter? not so much.......GFY.
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fugging owned..........you're game is weak.....recognize when you've met your betters......As it's a common occurance in your case........
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You're a glutton for punishment, I'll give you that.....Alas i grow weary of swatting you repeatedly....Perhaps later I'll return to give you another lesson.............Study real hard in the mean time.....
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I'll bank the Pink,because I've the shoulders to pull it off and make it look easy.
If only obviously.
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Save your stupid ass from being crusified kid!!!
I would put rubbin your nose in [**whoops**] on a petistal kid!!!
Its about integrity and obviously you have next to none!
go ahead and toot away cuz thats your lapdog!!! toot toot my names jakeass and I feel I need to show you all how 'cool' I am
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Kid, its dorks like you I put where they belong!
Toot your horn kid because I will say this once and only once its like a fart in the wind and dies out..
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And the fart dieing out is YOU!!
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Keep crying them tears in your beer,someday you just might get to do SOMETHING (though I've my well founded doubts).
My integrity remains the fixture of Legend,my prowess the same and I'm at complete ease passing judgement on the looong lineup of wannabe's.
Undoubtedly,you'd contrive what I do on a daily basis,as a high pitched "toot",but I'd liken it to what it is and that'd be simply,business as usual.
I wish you could have set that first choker,had the respect of a crew and done the things that others dream about...but there's always Reincarnation on your side.
GOOD luck on that and sincerely.
laffin'
Kid [**whoops**] or get off the pot!!
I put more trees on the ground then your ego can imagine!!
Evereyone we need to gather a buck and give bushlacker some help. He has put himself in the 'knowone has done this' catigory and needs some help..
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It's OK bush we can help you with very little effort..
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Wish I had the status you do but I just pull rope!!
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My ego never cashed a checked,
He isnt kiddin folks!cuz nobody would cash a check bouncin like a ball!!
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Lets go kid lay er down!!!
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Bow kid bow!!
Glad you have time to take a snap shot of your 'work'
I personally dont take pics for the simple fact that I have played the game way to many year to give a fat fuuck!!
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you da man kid you da man
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laffin' your rather funny kid!
Play it up I seen your kind many times
still laffin'
One of these days you will blossom but then again you might not unless "pinky" lets you....
Once again laffin'
'toot your horn kid because knowone else will'
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My then 3yr old had seen more wood hit the landing than "Timber".
Another Dreamer's Link.
Not in the game to put the wood to the circular just to make sure th ground rattles.
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I undestand kid you just got into the groove of it all...Some of layed trees down when we were little pups sorry it didnt work that way for you!!! REALLY I am...
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Once again lffin'
I need not show my prowness nor do I expect you to question it...
Your a kid with a big ego nuf said!
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laffin'
do I give a rat fuuck about pics nor do I give a rat fuuck what a lame asss bucker like you has to say.Thanks for the hit on the sight its worth a buck or two.. laffin' again
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Hey 'bucker' or should I say 'riggin rat'
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Tell ya kid most dont video there life sorry you have to too remember it...
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Good eye,but are you seeing an exit or an entrance and how much penetration was involved?
It's hard to tell from the pic, but based upon your choice of weapon/ammo, I'd say those look like entrances and penetration at that part of the body was most likely a pass through.
I've zero qualm shooting stuff in the ass with an X,just as I've no qualm slapping something in the brisket...because you'll have total penetration,regardless which end of the road the travels start upon.
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it's one of my faves
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and it's a classic from my Papa
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granted, they make a fine weapon, but sometimes nostalgia reigns
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That cal always helps fill the freezer, very efficient and highly capable.
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I was talking about the 22 lr, but you snuck in the 308 post.
Anyhoo, gotta run, supper is on...
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You got the market on dink pics cornered, little fella.......
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We need to stop the baiting here, as well as rising to the bait. Nuf said?
Be civil or others will make decisions on your behalf. This applies to everybody. Don't want to put anybody into a submission hold unless we have to.
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yeah I agree, cause theres a hunting section moderator somewhere......and I am getting drawn...to this whatever ya want to call it....
I back Andy! and agree on his last request...
Its only fun when people laugh.. nuf said....too
Flaming is the feed of the fire...andys right...
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I'm starting to notice a pattern 
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Civility was never compromised,though I concur on empty creels being your MO.
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What a collection of junk.......you dont seriously point that at anything do ya little fella??
 
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