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SH69,
Jerry with our rapidly aging and RETIRING membership (Fred E, Bobk, Willie Gunn, Old Man, etc.) I propose a Transitionals fly fisherman forumn.
This way they can post their fly fishing exploits and other comments in a separate forumn fron us NON-RETIRED fly fishers.
Transitionals is the name applied to 59-74 year old retired people. We just received a big consumer customer study and thats the term our high priced consultants used. Boomers are 40-58, thats me.  
Otherwise I don't know if I can continue hearing their daily fly fishing exploits while I am slaving away in corporate world. Its just not fair to me and others. LOL
It would be best if it was not viewable by me although then I would not know what they are saying about me and their secret flys, the secret flys would kill me the most I think that I may be missing out on and big steelhead runs they were into !!
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But how then could I, the young 16 year old, learn the secrets of the old and wise fishermen? These old guys need to pass on their experiences, techniques, and secrets to the younger generation so that their discoveries don't die with them (pun intended). Time is short, now's the chance to "educate" us young'ns.
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See, Hal... The young 'uns have sense enough to listen to what we have to say, rather than talking too much themselves. And they ALSO have sense to ask intelligent questions, too, and learn a lot in the process.
And we can learn a lot from them, as well. We both educate each other, and they are really fun to fish with. And they are young enough not to say, "I tried that before, and it didn't work". They go ahead and try it, and maybe use a little different twist, and lo and behold, it DOES work!
Guess what... life in the Corporate world is the same way. I was always blessed to have a bunch of young employees, mostly "new hires" just out of school... and we were noted for performing "miracles".
God bless the younger folks - they are ALL RIGHT!
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LOL Hal. Yeah, I can put it up for opinion. But think that Bob summed it up. Just because you're jealous, buck up young man. LOL Always good for the generations to get together to hear what the other is doing.
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BG - almost agree with you. These young pups like FJ15 have nothing better to do than sit around and listen to "those were the days" stories; then they go out and try the same techniques. Sometimes they work, sometimes not. Us Pre-Transitional Fly Fishing Boomers (PTFFBs) are hands on, get out there and hike 20 miles up hill in the rain, tie our flys streamside at -50 degrees in white-out conditions, hard corps Hoo-Rah fishermen. If ya want to teach them young 'uns, get a day care; if ya want to learn from the old farts, go to the Senior Home. 
Now, back in my day, uh, well, uhm, what were we talking about again? 
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I remember when I was a kid fishing. We had to row our boats upriver all day long. Our floats were 8+miles and the rivers flowed uphill then. We were only allowed to use 14wt rods and cast chuck and duck setups all day on heavy glass rods. Kids nowadays have it easy. Rivers flow downriver now. Light graphites, little flies. Sheesh. The humanity.  Sounds like my grandpa. Only difference. Come to find out he actually DID walk 10 miles to school. Grew up before there was power and indoor plumbing. Sucks when they were actually correct. LOL.
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Something I learned about transitioning - I try to always
look at the world through the eyes of a child. Dang - just
looked in the back yard - some blades of grass need to
cut. What the heck, might stir up some cool bugs!
At the ripe young age of 42 still don't mind chasing some
bugs around.
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Well said Bob, and the compliment well earned by our young friend here on the board. But to put this 'retirement' in perspective ... as a retired friend noted this weekend ... you're never 'out of work.' You just deside you'll do this or that today, or something else as the spirit moves you. The really 'scarry part' (and a major reason for retiring at 62) is the "average" continued life expectency of a fellow who retires at age 65.5 is ............ 18 months!!!!!!!!!!
Actually it will be interesting. My first 'full time job'(5-6 afternoons per week)was at age 12, setting appointments for (no kidding) the local Fuller Brush man. Actual 'unemployment' (once) lasted two weeks; enjoyed the first ... the second scared the heck out of me with a wife and two youngsters at home.
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Yeah, Fred, I agree. I retired at age 55 - been retired almost 15 years now, and I am still "going strong". Fooled around consulting for a few years, when it didn't interfere with my "outdoor recreation", but got tired of paying the &@%$#^ exhorbitant taxes. (I, too, started "officially legally working" as a young kid. Before that I was given a couple of bucks "under the table".)
After High School, there was the military. Then, going to school under the Korean Bill, I lived at home again (hated it!), and worked all kinds of jobs, tending bar, waiting on tables, cook in a mental institution, and summers either building custom doors and windows, or roofing. (Those summer jobs paid well - made more than my Dad!) All that just to get school.
And I really enjoyed my "professional" work - never even thought of it as working, and did very well.
Anyway, congratulations again on the approaching retirement. Now you will be so busy, you will never have time for anything!!! And glad to hear you and Joan are enjoying the motor home!
But the young kids have got it rough today. Most of 'em lack the direction of "close adults, not parents" for advice and friendship like Uncles, Aunts, Cousins and real Friends. If you just talk to the kids, they really yearn for some "adult direction" or talk about "experience", without a lot of BS.
But Hal I just can't understand lately. He has a good job, but apparently hates it, or maybe just hates working. And he seems to need the money badly. That's too bad, as he seems to be a nice enough guy, and I wouldn't mind sharing some water with him. But then again, why pick on us older guys who have "paid our dues" and are just having some well-deserved fun now??
Okay... Enough. Off the soapbox for now.
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"But the young kids have got it rough today"
Also add into that the fact that as a 16 yr. old it is almost impossible to find a job (very few hire under 18, while they say they will for legal reasons, they don't), most people want experienced employees (you have to be able to get a first job for experience), one of the only ways to get a job is to "know" someone, gas prices are unafforible for a teen, so is insurance, plus if you do get a job, it's only part time due to school and doesn't pay much.
Ok. I'm done ranting. Man, you older guys with good jobs have it made.
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LOL FJ15. Only thing I can say is off is the insurance. From most of the people I know nowadays your age with good grade discount, they're paying around $120-180 a month for insurance. I was paying $150 a month back in 85-88'. So, has technically went down. Luckily, gas was only $0.85 a gallong back then. Only problem, still took me almost $30 back then to fill the tank (those muscle cars really had big tanks )
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McDonald's hires at 16, most all of the fast food restraunts do. Grocery stores hire at 16, bagging groceries and such. Many pizza chains like Papa John's also hire at 16. Rite Aid and other similar places don't hire till 18 because it's illegal to sell liquor or cigarettes if you're under age 18. The library also hires at 16 for page positions, and starting wage is around $7.50 and it goes up. The local washington mutual also has a program meant specifically for 16 year olds working as a teller, you sign up for a 2 year agreement (till you're 18). It's really somewhat of a money management thing, but you're still making more than minimum wage. Small chain video stores and such also sometimes hire around 16-17. I believe the local Regal Cinemas movie theater hires at 16, or it might be 17, I know a few people who work there. Anyways, being 16, I could technically get a job, but I've just been far too lazy to actually try, although I have a lot of friends working at various places. My insurance will be $120 with good grade discount, luckily, I'll only have to pay half! muahahahaha. Gas is going to be killer though, that's why I'm going for a 35mpg import (actually, that's not the reason, but it makes me look like I care). I don't have a job yet, but as soon as school gets out, I'll be running back and forth between stores/fast food places filling out applications waiting for that one phone call...
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Any farms around your area? You'd be surprised jsut how much work there really is out there. Just look harder, and stop wasting time with filling out applications for jobs you wouldn't want.
I never made less than $10/hr, even in Jr High. That was in BC where wages are lower, taxes are higher, and in my high school yrs, we were in the middle of a recession. (yeah, yeah, uphill both ways, 10 ft of snow, I know....)
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Also add into that the fact that as a 16 yr. old it is almost impossible to find a job (very few hire under 18, while they say they will for legal reasons, they don't), most people want experienced employees (you have to be able to get a first job for experience
Sorry to burst your bubble there, Kiddo. I've been laid off twice in the past four years for a total of 18 months. Went from making $32/hr to $10.25. Still looking for a "better" job; at least I now have medical insurance for the family. Take a look at the job market - many MANY people over age 30 out of work; the jobs they can get are minimum wage (or less) w/o benefits.  And don't think for a minute the "older guys with jobs" have it made. The axe can fall at any time.
Yeah, it's tough all over. I have a good family support group, this board, and all the fishing I can handle. God has smiled on me!
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Ok ok. Back to topic. Grass ain't always greener on the other side. LOL. Lets all have a drink and relax (root beer for those under 21).
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DeCom, your right on the money on that one. Got slammed
for being a Christian and an athlete at my last command.
Same unit different command, actually got to work with
a President! Amazing how a few years can change a units
enviornment. One point your the CO's right hand man -
the next time you get shafted! Welp - there is still a
great statement out there "When the going gets tough, the
tough go fishing"! Might just have to check out a river
tomorrow.
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Oh my god what happened to this thread. LOL
Will have to come back to this one when I have more time.
Hey the young kids do have it very rough now, my 19 year old who is in college, took him over a year to find another job, thanks the Bush economics, NOT. Very tough for HS and college kids to find jobs even here in big Chicago area.
I will be back to this thread. LOL
If the Transitionals get out of control with their FF exploits while I am working to death, I always have the GOLF alternative to dive back into. Matter of fact this year may have to be a more golf than FF year due to the business and family schedules.
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Oh know - the world has gone mad. Golf over FF (Argh!)
Just kidding of course.
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".....cook in a mental institution..."
Bob, no wonder you 'handle' Hal so well ..
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A possible FF alternative for me ? An outdoor sport with mental and physical challenges and I don't I have to wear all of that FF stuff !! LOL
Geo Caching
Please, serious comments only.
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Oh No! Please don't make me break out the type "A"
obsessive complusive military Chief personality.
Trying to down size (hehehe).
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Ok, one more time. Time to chill out, not talk about GOLF or any other side sport. Let's talk fishing (or, at least be civil about other stuff). LOL. I quote Adam Sandler when I say "Don't make me open up a can of whoop ass on you".
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RIGHT ON, Jerry!
This is a FLY FISHING forum, and NOT other sports. You've got to maintain control, and not let it degenerate into anything else.
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Somebody call my name? I taught I heerd d'generate ! Actually, GOLF is another acronym - Geezer Out Looking for Fish. Soooo, if he's GOLFFING hehehehe.
BOT - If this is going to be a Transitionals Forum - need to answer the following questions:
1. Age limit (upper and lower);
2. Fishing proficiency, i. e., number of years, number of fish, etc;
3. Lying ability (from Mother Teresa to DC Politician);
4. Tying ability (Wooly Worm to Star Spangled Hares Ear Nymph);
5. Minimum number of posts to be able to make replies;
6. Measuring ability (length, girth, weight, time to land);
7. Spey or One Handed; weighted/non-weighted; with or without "bait" (Smelly Jelly, etc);
8. Famous or infamous  .
IMHO - males age 30-104; females age 19-25. Males must submit pictures of their last three flies and last five fish; females must submit one picture of themselves. Jerry, Hal, FredE, and BobK will rate the males for inclusion on this board; SH86, myself, and one other volunteer will rate the females. Anyone up for the task???
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DeCom - now that's a classic! Count me in.
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That's classic.
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