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has arrived.
Received The Fly Shops - Redding , CA 2005 printed catalogue in the mail yesterday. There are several flys from Paul Miller large intruder and shrimp style prawns priced from 9.95 each to 11.95. These flys appear to be only in the printed catalogue I could not find them in the online fly catolgue at their web site.
Check out the steelhead and salmon flys at their web site some very interesting new patterns, lots of rubber leg nymphs and other steelhead and salmon pattens in addition to all other trout and salt water species.
The Fly Shop - steelhead and salmon flys
SH86 I am sad to inform you that they have a new fly similar to the infamous Sharp Steelie pattern called the Micro Comet, which is in the online catalogue.
Interesting there is no Otis Bug or Carpet Bagger rubber legged nymph patterns and this shop is close to Rogue country having other rogue patterns.
Hmmm with $ 10 selling price steelhead flys I might just have to get into this market in my spare time. What do you think Jerry and others ?
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Here is a Paul Miller fly similar to the ones in the Fly Shop catelog.
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Imagine the feeling upon losing a couple $ 12 steelhead flys at the end of the day for us normal blokes.
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$12 a fly is ridiculous Anyone that would pay that much for a fishing fly is a bonehead.
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Damned, you gotta be kidding me? I am REALLY underpricing them then. Hell, if they're making that much on them, I need to raise the prices on mine. 
Nah, I won't ever charge that much. But ridiculous if anyone truly paid that much for one.
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Jerry, Now you'll probably never know if BG buys one!
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  I'm STILL laughing!!
BG spend MONEY for a FLY??? You must be dreaming!!Hell, he probably spends his spare time with 100 lb. test line and a big "Michigan Crickets" pulling logs and snags out of streams to recover flies and lures!!
He spends his time Scuba diving at night in golf course ponds, so he doesn't have to buy golf balls, and you expect him to pay good money for flies???
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You know, only time I can even come close to justifying spending more then $10 on a fly, is if I'm buying a fly from a deceased well known tyer (or even some living ones) or vintage Atlantic fully dressed flies. Just can't justify paying that much for new flies. Especially the ones in question. I looked at them, and they don't seem that difficult to tie.
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LOL, I will take a picture of the page with my digital tonight with the expensive flys and post it tomorrown for all to see, I am not drinking or smoking something. Actually at first I though its was a typo but then four of this tyers flys were priced from 9.95 to 11.95 so they all can't be typos.
I may just buy one to say I have the most expensive steelhead fly in the world. LOL
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P.S. Bobk, well yes I always do lament when I lose one of my precious flys, I count each time out how many I lose to the river snag gods, and then tye double that quantity next time at the tying bench, which makes me feel better.
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Yeah, saw it as well, and almost fell of my chair...
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Well here is all four of them. Excuse me I have to get my fly tying bench the demand for steelhead flys must be on rise and BG wants to get his portion of the $$$ in this big new developing market. LOL Hey Zo should have done your B-School startup company on this market maybe ? 
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Well, show those to the princess, then you will be able to "justify" your fly tying. (Either that, or she will make you quit and take up a "sensible and less-costly" sport, like shooting Sporting Clays.....)
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The major materials used in these fly's comes out of Sisk. Av., here in Southern Oregon. These are SUPER Prime birds the lady grows/breeds herself.
The materials can not be matched by any supplier; if you want 'presentation quality' fly's you use these materials. And in that context, the 'Intrud.' pattern consumes A LOT of materials. If you really want to see what the 'best of the best' looks like, hit her web site. Five feathers could cost you $10-$15 bucks are some retailers.
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Yeah, but still Fred. That's steep. Even on the speys I take alot of time with, including exotic materials, I can't justify over $5 for a fly. That includes seal fur, BEP, and a few other pricier materials. Plus, I'm sure they're buying their stuff wholesale, so that drops the prices down considerably. Especially if they buy complete capes and grade the feathers themselves. REALLY drops the price per feather. I just have a feeling that if he is using Siskiyou Avery feathers, he's not using primarily those feathers in it. Or buys them cheap, and puts their name on it to "up" the price.
Still, crazy though. Even with those feathers, I couldn't justify it. Hmmmmm, may have to check out that Aviary though to see what wholesale they do and look at all she carries. I know I've only seen a couple packages of what she sells. Hmmmm, may have to give her an email. 
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I wonder if the fish care about the quality of the fly tying material used ? LOL Maybe some wealthy Northern Cally fly fishers will jump on these or perhaps the retired ones in sourthern oregon ?  
If I bought one surely I would not fish it !
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Well, I'll say that quality is nice when it comes to tying and how it reacts. Some feathers just are too stiff, or just don't take a color. But no, I don't think it's purely the type of materials. Hell, when I first started, I caught alot of fish on flies tied with everything BUT flytying materials. All salvaged stuff. Though, she does have some pretty nice exotics on her homepage.
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I hear you have a dozen #550FH on order
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I wonder if the fish care about the quality of the fly tying material used ? LOL Maybe some wealthy Northern Cally fly fishers will jump on these or perhaps the retired ones in sourthern oregon ?
If I bought one surely I would not fish it !
BG
Well, got to admit .. BG's got me on this one. But, if the best of the best is what you want ...vis a vis the best 'feathers money can buy,' the lady is who you want to call.
Is it 'worth it?,' well, Jerry's on point.
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I wonder what people would bid for them on ebay to determine their true fair market value ?
They have misrepresented them in the catalogue commingling them with fishing steelhead flys these should be advertized as collectors art flys or something similar. A normal knowledgeable steelheader would never fish an expensive fly like this knowing that we are always fishing to the bottom and losing flys. If you are not losing flys you are not fishing properly IMHO.
If have not bought any, but am copying patterns from the new catalogue, I wonder if they would send me the dressings for specific flys ? LOL Oh well I can duplicate most of them.
A new steelhead fly upper MSRP has been established I suppose. How many parts do you thing to tie these flys ? The labor time in the amount of parts (steps) you must do to complete the fly should drive its MSRP more than the materials used I think. But I use cheap materials for steelhead flys.
Could these flys be a 10 - 20 parter of tying steps ? I think not looking at them, then the inflated price must be the materials.
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Hell, I've been tying a ton of intruders lately (thanks H2H for the latest guy you sent my way). They have a few "steps", but still I couldn't warrant that much for them. You can crank them out pretty fast (more I tie, the faster they get). Remember when I'd bitch about them, now I actually like tying them. Funny when I told Brian what a pain they were a few months back on a thread here, now they're almost fun (have even tied an intruder jig). I think that an intruder has about 14-16 steps in tying one. I use quality materials (all hareline) and think they turn out pretty nice. I still won't charge alot for them, nowhere near the $10 mark.
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No problem Jerry
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Well then how much for a few Intruders for BG in: black, purple, and hot orange ? LOL
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Jerrry I'll answer for you, $7.95 a peice.
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Sounds like a deal to me.
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Hmm I was thinking more like $ 5-6 a piece, some complex salt water flys go in the $ 6-7 range. Will let you know. LOL
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I charge a little less then that Hal. But I'll set you up.
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Now this topic has me interested what is the most expensive fresh water flys being sold ? Is it the steelhead flys above for $ 9 - $ 12 ? I am talking about flys intended to fish not to sit in a display case.
I don't think Musky or pike flys go over $ 6-7 and they use a lot of material.
Jerry lets talk about my Intruder order off line. LOL
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And this is where it gets 'interesting' (I should think) for 'commercial tiers.' What's your 'time' worth, let alone the materials involved in producing one of these hummers?
No matter how you look at "it," it's an hourly job. You need to make a reasonable 'profit,' cover all your costs for materials, etc., and etc.
Probably why so many of the 'fly's' available are actually made 'over seas.'
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