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I did a little research today, and while I have fished all my life, I have never been around any fly fishermen except for an old guy named Oliver Omat, who could tie a bumblebee that looked like it could fly. I have never even tried to cast a fly rod in the last 35 years, which might be good, I have no habits with one!
Pole weights, line weights, tip speed and pole action, reel weight and balance, forward and back cast, retrieve, line speed..mending, dead float,tapered tippets, kind of overwhelming at first.
I found out I have a cousin named Matt who has been doing it for years on the deschutes, and is supposed to be pretty good at it.. I think I will go spend a few hours talking to him. Haven't seen him for a few years anyway 
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I found if you can find someone who knows what they're doing to teach you, you'l be much happier. I had to pretty much learn most by myself. Why I have so many flaws.  But, it's not as bad as you may think. It's the learning part that is a bit difficult. But after a bit, it'll be second nature.
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No matter how long we've all been doing it we are all still learning. It's a learning curve that never gets to the end. As long as I've been doing it I still make mistakes when I cast. Just one of those things. So join the rest and enjoy yourself.
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Been doing it for 44 years and still learning and still have bad casts and 0fer days but its still very relaxing and challenging at the same time and gets you out into nature and trying to understand and solve whats going on in the river that day with the fishes.
Good luck
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Well.. you are all going to tell me how wrong I am for doing it, but my uncle (who seems to collect every kind of fishing rod) had an old Daiwa Regal Strike SK-45 #7 8' flyrod with a Martin 57SS reel on it he gave me. Plastic reel seat, foam grip and all, it had to be cheap when new 
I figure to load it up with a #8 double taper and take it to work, where I can spend a half hour a day on the back lawn learning to cast to a target on the fence.
I just have to decide what distance to start at, then attempt to keep the wrist straight and see what works for me... I hope...
At least doing it this way I can find out if I even want to go any farther.
Spending money for casting lessons is not an option at first.
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What's wrong with that? Hey, we all start somewhere. I grew up using fenwick glass rods with pfluegers. My first graphite rod was a Danielson 7wt. Thing was a beast to cast. I had a cheap line (I think I was using a 9wt to actually cast damned thing). I had a cheap southbend reel on it. We all have to start somewhere. I feel, sometimes the more expensive beginners setups are a better way to go. BUT, I feel that if you're only testing the waters, why not go as cheap as possible? At least you'll get a feel for it. Though, the scientific anglers' combos, or the newer Loomis combo's are a good cheap way to start (around $100-180 for EVERYTHING).
We all have stepping stones. If it gets you into flyfishing, I could care less if you were using a top of the line rod/reel or a cheap glass fly rod from walmart. If it gets you on the water and fishing, who cares? Just my opinion.
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In talking to my cousin, he said he has seen people with their wrists taped to their fly rods.. Is this a common tactic to learn to cast or soemthing?
One thing learned already.. don't try to cast with the wind gusting in from behind you unless you know what you are doing 
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To keep you from breaking your wrist,to keep you from having your hand flopping around in the breeze,to keep your hand and arm in one smooooooth motion. As per the books on fly fishing,you can move you wrist a little,but not a lot. Other wise on the back stroke you will be drying your flies on the rocks behind you from bending your wrist.
Jim
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Never heard of using tape, watch the beginning of a River Rusn Through it when Tom Skerrit is teaching his sons how to fly cast. Or buy one of the many fly casting videos now available. Also hook up with some one from the board thats in your area and been FF for a while. I had nothing to learn from back in 19XX and Bobk and Fred had less than I did. Don't know if there was even outdoor magazines back then (ha ha)
BG
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Being as old as you think you are they were writing things on stone tablets. 
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Darn young whippersnappers! Now, back in the old days, when we were waiting for the critters to pass by at the dinosaur crossing, on the way to school to learn cipherin' and stone carvin' and stuff, we used to plan our late afternoon fishing trips, and decide if we were going to fish our sabre-tooth pterodactyls dry (still struggling to escape) or wet (drowned) on our barbless hooks we had carved from bone. And them pterodactyls don't take kindly to being hooked, either. Man, you had to have a pretty good sized tree for a rod, and some real tough sinew for line. Sometimes it might not be a fish on the other end of the line, but some nasty critter lookin' for an easy meal - namely us! You had to watch your backcasts, too - you might hook a T-Rex by accident and irritate him. Them T-Rexes get riled real easy!
Yeah, we did have a few outdoor magazines, but they were indoors! In the caves, we'd have these real neat ones, painted on walls and ceilings! 'Course, you had to bring in your own torch to read 'em, as the light wasn't too good in them caves. And sometimes, you'd get a surprise - a CAVE BEAR, and they was none too happy about havin' their sleep disturbed!
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I seem to remember Grandpa getting Fur Fish & Game.
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Hey as a kid I got Fur Fish and Game.
Beleive it or not me and my teenage friends in Northern NJ where I grew up were trappers, hunters (bow and gun), and fisherman (salt water, trout, and lakes bass, pickeral, etc).
Used to live for the new months edition of FFG. Think it was less than 50 cents also.
Hey Bobk I used to skin muskrats and squirrels in my basement and sell them to my friends father who owned the local furrier. Wish I had some of those muskrat and squirrel furs now for fly tying !
BG
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Hal, easy enough done. All you have to do is buy a hunting license and trapping license, get a shotgun, pick up a dozen or so traps, a good, sharp pocket knife, a little time, and you are in business. Fur and feathers - that's an easy way to get it!
But WHATEVER you do, don't mix the fur and feathers that you get with your fly tying supplies, until they have been adequately tanned and treated so that all the critters that resided on the corpses are gone! 
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The boss (wife princess, etc..) is an animal lover no way can I hunt or trap again and skin the animals at home.
I am on a diet now but I don't want to go on the cereal diet again when she stops cooking for me which is what would happen, you know one of those wife boycotts that lets you know you are straying from what she wants.
LOL
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Gee - too bad. And I was going to send you a copy of "The Road Kill Gourmet", too! 
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LOL. Luckily for me, I'm a good cook, so I didn't have to worry about my now ex. She was same way Bob. But, I threw back at her "I do 99% of the cooking anyways". She would always complain when I brought my fish in to fillet (nothing worse then spending all day freezing in the winter for steelhead, then told that you have to stay outside in the cold and fillet a fish). I stopped hunting just before we married. Long story, but just say I was shot at by a guy with an elephant gun deer hunting. Was shooting at the bushes moving where I was at UP on a ridge. But she'd have died if I came home and skinned/hung a deer. She definitely believe in the "bambi" movie.
But, luckily I have a girlfriend now that loves to fish. And wants me to teach her to hunt. So may take the rifles and get them ready to hunt (Have kept them clean, just haven't fired them in awhile). But she even cleans her own fish. What more could I ask for??
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Bambi - a true classic. When my 5 yr old saw it the first time, and saw the opening sequence where (Bambi's father?) got shot, he yelled
"Good Shot! Daddy They got one!"
Later on, he did the sad/empathy thing, but at least his first instincts were good.
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LOL. It was his mother that was shot. My kids were similar, they said "Deer tastes yummy, doesn't it Daddy?" LOL. My kids have had their bouts (especially when they visit their Mom) but for most part are true sportsman. They love to fish and be outside. Plus, they LOVE to eat stuff I catch. You've never seen kids eat up sturgeon like mine. Plus, they love to eat exotic meats too. Made them buffalo, gator, snake, you name it. They've ate it and loved it. Thank the heavens my kids aren't PETA enthusiasts.
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Exotic? I remember eating dragonfly tails fried in soy sauce in japan
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LOL Buzzy. Never made it to Japan. But did eat pork pate` (sp?) when I was in Europe. Didn't realize I was eating raw pork until after I ate it. LOL. Not sure if that's pate (raw meat) but it was a spread we had with abendbrot. Had some Rhino and a few other things in Europe. But not sure what the prices would be, or if we could get it, here.
But, I meant Exotic as in not from our area smart alec. Not sure we find many crocs here, except in zoos. lol
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We lived in japan for 3 years when dad was in the air force. Quite a place for a 9 yr old.. even made it into the all stars hardball team one year The Japanese are nuts for hardball..
They have these irrigation ditches running all over, and they would set up a fulcrum with a bucket and papasan would stand there and dump bucket after bucket into his field irrigation line using that.
One of the neighbors made me a wire basket just wide enough to run down the ditches, and I caught all kinds of minnows and put them in a big concrete container in front of the house. One day I caught a big water beetle with ugly pinchers on him in the net, and put him in.. he killed all my minnows and ate them!
They have these fire water pits, kind of like retaining ponds, and plant Koi in them.. but they get mad if you fish in em.
One of the neighbors who had a really nice garden got very upset when I kept pulling up the moss in one section of it looking for worms for Koi bait He was the one who cooked me up the Drqagonfly tails.
Once my brother and I spotted this big snake lying on the fence rail next to where we went through the gate.. we ran home and were in the kitchen getting a butcher knife to kill it, mom , being half asleep asked us what we were doing.. we told her getting a butcher knife to kill a snake as we ran out the door.. Man did we get whooped on. Some old japanese guy grabbed it by the tail and snapped it several times to kill it, it was poisonous.
By the way, that japanese guy caught the dragonflies with a pole and a little wire hoop on it, he would find a big spider web and wrap it up on the hoop and use it to catch them.
Japan was a blast for a kid.
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Rats.. tried to edit the above post since it was so far off topic but too late..
Tell me, how do you compensate for wind? I had my first experience tryng to cast into the wind today, to say it was a failure would be an understatement..
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You get a bigger rod and a larger size line to compensate for the wind. Or wait till the wind dies down. Or go fish where the wind isn't blowing at.
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Grant, my old trick is to act as though I am casting downwind, trying to keep my backcast tight looped, low (sidearm), and fast - and casting BEHIND me (in other words, using the backcast as the primary cast.) Works pretty well - at least for short to moderate casts.
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Just got to get out there and do it to learn fly casting.
If you can find an experienced buddy all the better or take a basic fly casting course but one of the many videos on the market is also a good learning method.
Remember 10 to 2 o'clock angle of the rod.
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This is probably gonna be a first, and I kinda hope Marty misses this post  But I have been practicing in a kind of unique manner..
I work for a Municipal Sewage Treatment Plant that Discharges into the Puyallup River. We had a major upgrade a few years back.. 24mil worth in fact,(we now discharge water that is cleaner than the river water). Anyway we have 3 aeration basins that are about 100 ft across and 200 ft long. One of them is only filled with Non Potable water and it has a walkway across the middle of it from end to end.
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