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Fraser...
      #295019 - 07/16/07 05:29 PM

So what's the word? Will there be a Sockeye harvest? Thought we should get some conversation going so next months plans can be made.

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Re: Fraser... new [Re: Fish Jesus]
      #295079 - 07/17/07 08:24 AM

Fraser Feva--I was up there July 4 weekend vacation in Harrison. The river is very very high.

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Re: Fraser... new [Re: Coho]
      #295081 - 07/17/07 08:29 AM

FJ - Right now there are some kings being caught. As far as the Socks go.... Im sure there will be a fishery, but only The Shadow knows when.
River is WAY up.

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Re: Fraser... new [Re: fishhog]
      #295090 - 07/17/07 12:07 PM

I think your camping spot at the top end of Grassy bar is under about 5 feet of water right now FJ.

I think I'm gonna be up higher again this year if I make it up.

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Re: Fraser... new [Re: 4Salt]
      #295105 - 07/17/07 02:45 PM

Dad's been going up to Spaghetti and doing pretty well lately. Nothing much over 20lbs though. I'll ask him tonight about any sox rumors

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Re: Fraser... new [Re: workin4fishin]
      #295215 - 07/18/07 11:51 AM

Steve are we talking week days or weekend. I vote for August 7 thru 9. Do we think the river will be down or will it continue to flow really High. Do we need to shoot for later in the Month. Me and Junkie are trying to figure it out.

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Re: Fraser... new [Re: FireFish]
      #295358 - 07/19/07 02:43 PM

A sockeye opening is expected in August....

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Re: Fraser... new [Re: Sienna]
      #295618 - 07/21/07 10:54 PM

Sox Schmox...

Check out this lil puppy Just a wee lil Fraser nook

I'm going up there next wknd.


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Re: Fraser... new [Re: workin4fishin]
      #295622 - 07/22/07 12:43 AM

Welcome to board Sienna!
That's quite pig in the pic Geoff...red chinook?

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Re: Fraser... new [Re: Musicman]
      #295634 - 07/22/07 08:53 AM

Yowsa!!

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Re: Fraser... new [Re: Fish Jesus]
      #295645 - 07/22/07 12:16 PM

That's a HOG!!!!!

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Re: Fraser... new [Re: Musicman]
      #295658 - 07/22/07 04:51 PM

MM,
the Fraser gets spring/summer chinooks called red sprngs or red chinook due to the red color of the meat. They get fall chinooks known as white springs or white chinook also due to the color of the flesh. Those start showing up later in the year. Right now the spring/summer fish have red meat.

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Re: Fraser... new [Re: Mojo]
      #295752 - 07/23/07 09:01 AM

The reds are excellent while the whites... taste like crap
Still fun to catch though.

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Re: Fraser... new [Re: fishhog]
      #295756 - 07/23/07 09:16 AM

Funny, my buddy caught a white a while back, still chrome. He said it tasted fine. I just can't wrap my mind around eating white fleshed salmon. It is a visual thing.

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Re: Fraser... new [Re: fishhog]
      #295757 - 07/23/07 09:16 AM

Nice Hawg

hooking a Spring does not gaurantee a red it could have white meat. A fall white in the Harrison/Vedder are built for fightin not eatin.


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Re: Fraser... new [Re: Coho]
      #295783 - 07/23/07 11:48 AM



I've only taken ONE king home from the Vedder, and once was enough.

Some say, you can tell if it's a red or a white, by looking down it's throat or behind the gill plate.
I don't know if it's true or not.

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Re: Fraser... new [Re: fishhog]
      #296426 - 07/30/07 07:09 AM

Any word on an opening yet?

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Re: Fraser... new [Re: Craven Moorehead]
      #296442 - 07/30/07 08:34 AM

Still no word. Not even any good rumors.
I went up this wknd to fish with Dad. Stopped in at my favorite shop and nobody had heard any credible rumor on way or another, but the predicted numbers seem to be way down. (not that DFO predictions are that credible either...)

On Saturday, we hit a few (very few) sox up near Spaghetti, but nothing worth heading up yet for even if it was open for retention. Even the criminals with the nets were not getting many that we saw. We had many opportunities to see them pulling up their nets. Many. They were all over the place. Small sleds and ~ 100 ft long drift nets. I've never seen so many in one day, and it was NOT open for the criminals to be using nets.
I stopped counting at 25 different boats; they moved around a lot, setting their drift, drifting right past you (close enough to see if they needed a shave or not) and then moving to another spot.

All of it illegal. All of it blatant in your face.

They would power up right in front of you, set their nets a few hundreds yds up, then drift right on by. To add insult to injury, DFO chartered helos and float planes would low fly over the sporties every once in a while, just for appearances.

In the restaraunt parking lot where we stopped for lunch, some guy approached us asking if we wanted to buy some fresh salmon, caught just that morning....


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As of July 27th new [Re: Fish Jesus]
      #296454 - 07/30/07 11:04 AM

Subject: FN0519-Salmon: Fraser River Sockeye Update - July 27 - Areas 11 to 29

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The Fraser River Panel met today to examine biological and other assessment
data on Fraser River sockeye salmon. In general, test fishing catches in marine
and Fraser River assessment areas have continued to indicate a very low
migration of sockeye salmon thus far this season. Estimates of Fraser River
sockeye escapement past Mission and observations of sockeye passing Hells Gate
similarly have also been very low.

The proportion of five year old sockeye in test-fishing catches to-date has
been much higher than forecast and is another factor that suggests extreme
weakness in the return of some four year old Fraser sockeye stocks, which were
expected to comprise most of the total Fraser sockeye production in 2007. The
weak return of four year old Fraser sockeye thus far is following a pattern
that is similar to the low returns observed to several other B.C. and
Washington sockeye stocks this season. For example, the return of four year old
Somass River sockeye is tracking less than one-third of the forecast to-date.
Although the possibility of later than expected marine migration timing of
Fraser sockeye cannot be ruled out, assessments of Early Stuart, Lake
Washington and Somass River sockeye do not suggest that their migration timing
is significantly later than average.

The estimated spawning escapement of Fraser sockeye in 2003 (the brood year of
the four year old sockeye returning now) was almost 2,000,000 fish, which,
based on past observations, would normally produce a reasonably strong return
of Fraser River sockeye four years later (i.e., in 2007). Poor marine
environmental conditions for juvenile sockeye in 2005 when the four year old
sockeye returning in 2007 entered the ocean as juveniles (i.e., generally warm
water temperatures, low oxygen levels, and low food availability), may have
negatively impacted juvenile-to-adult survival rates for at least some of the
Fraser sockeye stocks returning this season. The performance of this years
four year old sockeye return will be assessed further as the season progresses,
and as additional test fishery and escapement data are collected.

The marine migration of Early Stuart sockeye is complete. At the meeting today,
the Panel approved an in-season run size estimate of 13,000 Early Stuart
sockeye, which is less than one-third of the pre-season 50% probability level
forecast of 45,000 fish. The estimated 50% passage date of Early Stuart sockeye
through Area 20 this season is July 1, which is consistent with the pre-season
forecast of their marine timing. The estimated escapement of Early Stuart
sockeye past Mission through July 26 is 12,000 fish.

The migration of Early Summer-run sockeye through marine and Fraser River
assessment areas has been very low thus far and it is very unlikely that they
will reach their forecast level of abundance (50% probability level forecast of
690,000 fish) A more accurate assessment of their run size will be available
next week. The estimated escapement of Early Summer-run sockeye past Mission
through July 26 is 7,000 fish.

Summer-run sockeye (Chilko, Quesnel, Stellako, and Late Stuart) were forecast
to comprise slightly over half (3,369,000 fish at the 50% probability level
forecast) of the total Fraser River sockeye run in 2007 and harvest
opportunities were focused on this timing-group in the pre-season fishing plan.
It is early in the migration of Summer-run sockeye through the marine
assessment areas and an update on their run size and marine migration timing
will likely not be available until after the first week of August.

Migration conditions for sockeye in the Fraser River are presently
satisfactory. On July 26, the Fraser River discharge at Hope was about 6,100
cms, which is approximately 26% higher than normal, while the water temperature
at Qualark Creek was 16.7 0C, which is slightly lower than average for this
date. The discharge of the Fraser River at Hope is forecast to continue to
decline while water temperatures are forecast to increase to approximately 18.5
0C by mid next week. Fraser River water temperatures exceeding 18 0C may have
an adverse impact on the upstream migration of sockeye salmon.

The enumeration fences on Gluske and Kynock creeks in the Early Stuart system
are now operational; however DFO crews have been unable to install the fence on
Forfar Creek due to high water levels. Sockeye have recently been observed off
the mouths off all three of these creeks.

First Nations

Food, ceremonial and social fisheries (FSC) for First Nations targeting Fraser
River sockeye are open in Marine waters, however, given the low sockeye
abundance harvesting effort to date has been very low. There will also be
limited FSC fisheries in the Fraser River. Duration of FSC fisheries in the
Fraser River are reduced given the low abundance of Fraser River sockeye
observed to date.

Recreational

Recreational fisheries for Fraser River sockeye in South Coast marine waters
and the Fraser River remains closed to sockeye retention.

Commercial

No commercial fisheries are planned at this time.

The Panel will meet again on Friday July 31 to evaluate the status of the
Fraser River sockeye salmon runs and to consider regulatory actions.

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Re: As of July 27th new [Re: fishhog]
      #296552 - 07/31/07 06:50 AM

Thanks for the update Fishhog...

"The panel will meet again on Friday, July 31 to evaluate"?
HUH?

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Re: As of July 27th new [Re: Craven Moorehead]
      #296563 - 07/31/07 08:25 AM

Ya, they meet seems like couple times a week to review net counts and so forth.

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Re: As of July 27th new [Re: fishhog]
      #296567 - 07/31/07 09:00 AM

I meant they are using a goofy calendar. Today is July 31...but it is a Tuesday. Maybe they mean Friday, August 3rd?
I am just hoping for an opening.

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Re: As of July 27th new [Re: Craven Moorehead]
      #296642 - 07/31/07 04:52 PM

Here's the link for the Fishery notices

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/c...id=recreational

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Re: As of July 27th new [Re: Craven Moorehead]
      #296649 - 07/31/07 05:50 PM

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Craven Moorehead said:
I meant they are using a goofy calendar. Today is July 31...but it is a Tuesday. Maybe they mean Friday, August 3rd?





It's a metric calendar Eh? You need to hoist a few kokanees before you can truly understand it.


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Re: As of July 27th new [Re: workin4fishin]
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You are reminded that there is a request by DFO to NOT BOTTOM BOUNCE at this time as seen here

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/c...ID=recreational

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Re: As of July 27th new [Re: BCSteel]
      #297136 - 08/06/07 10:18 AM

Anyone Fras'n out there? How's the river lookin? Hows the fishin?

I will add after posting this--Talked to a friend in Agasizz--river dropping, a few springs , no sockeye retention , lots of sturgies


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Re: As of July 27th new [Re: Coho]
      #297167 - 08/06/07 07:06 PM

There be some kings being caught

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      #298178 - 08/17/07 01:58 PM

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RECREATIONAL - Salmon

Subject:
FN0597-RECREATIONAL: SALMON - Region 2 - Non-tidal Waters of the Fraser River


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Effective 00:01 hours Monday August 20, 2007 until further notice, there is no
recreational fishing for all Salmon species from the downstream side of the CPR
Bridge at Mission upstream to the Highway No. 1 Bridge at Hope, BC.

Current run size estimates of 120,000 Early Summer-run sockeye and 750,000
Summer-run sockeye are significantly below preseason expectations of 690,000
and 3,369,000, respectively. The limited amount of TAC remaining is required
for First Nations food, social and ceremonial purposes.

The Departments first priority is to ensure that there is sufficient sockeye
escapement to the spawning grounds for conservation purposes. The Department
is also committed to providing top priority, after conservation, to First
Nations fishing for food, social and ceremonial purposes.

Despite a no fishing for sockeye regulation for the sport fishery, DFO
continued to observe and receive reports that sockeye were being encountered in
the recreational fishery.

DFO is implementing this salmon closure in the recreational fishery to ensure
the above priorities are provided. This salmon closure will be reviewed
weekly.

Recreational fishing opportunities for trout, steelhead and sturgeon and other
non-salmon species remain open.

Variation order 2007-305 is in effect.

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Re: Fraser to Close new [Re: fishhog]
      #298375 - 08/19/07 06:26 PM

Gee, I told ya so.

Thanks for nothing.

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Re: Fraser to Close new [Re: BCSteel]
      #298447 - 08/20/07 08:47 AM

My opinion is that they Should have "demanded" instead of "strongly discouraged" bottom bouncing.
I also think that instead of shutting it down they should have implemented a leader length restriction, say 36" and less.

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Re: Fraser to Close new [Re: fishhog]
      #298461 - 08/20/07 11:19 AM

Bottom-bouncing is nothing more than drift-fishing with enough weight to get to the bottom of heavy water. Flossing, or using excessively long leaders is an entirely different issue. I've seen hook-up rates that are almost identical, independent of leader length, using the same gear, in the same location, at the same time...

DFO cannot 'demand' anything until they actually enforce something.

Poke around on some of the news sites for the Fraser Valley (small-town newspapers can print stuff that would get buried or spiked in the larger outlets) and you'll find some startling numbers.
Certain groups, un-named, are very adept at the politic game. HINT: A small group <1000 total, insist's it has not harvested enough salmon this yr, despite the fact that they're reporting > 60000 lbs caught as of early June. ...and that's what they're actually reporting.

Back in the early 90's, this same group (during another of those "...AAAAAA everyone panic, there's no salmon left in the river..."), was caught on camera loading pallets of iced salmon from a warehouse that they claimed did not exist, onto unmarked trucks. A BCTV camera crew followed a truck from that plant to a major chain grocery store...

Nothing was done.

That same group, illegally blockaded a CN Freight line for 3 or 4 days.

Nothing was done.

Another, more recent, incident; They held a fisheries officer at gunpoint for a day or two.

Nothing was done.

Nets are illegally strung all over the river, all season long (maybe all yr long, but I've not been on the river to see it in the winter). Some appear to be completely abandoned.

Nothing is ever done.

Roadside stands illegally sell 'fresh-caught' salmon when there is NO opener, for any group.

Nothing is done.


Anyone see a pattern here? Of course, it's all the fault of a few thousand flossers on Peg-Leg, for the wk or two that they're out there.


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Re: Fraser to Close new [Re: workin4fishin]
      #298483 - 08/20/07 01:38 PM

BC Steel makes it sound like it's our fault. You want some cheese with your whine ?
You should see all the finger pointing in the BC forums. It goes from bottom bouncing to snagging in .01 seconds flat. Maybe our neighbors to the north sould take a page from the SH.net playbook.

The BC Hen house likes to state that bottom bouncing is the same as flossing, which as W4F states is similar, yet totally different.

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Re: Fraser to Close new [Re: workin4fishin]
      #298484 - 08/20/07 01:40 PM

BC Steel makes it sound like it's our fault. You want some cheese with your whine ?
You should see all the finger pointing in the BC forums. It goes from bottom bouncing to snagging in .01 seconds flat. I have never seen so much bitching in all my life. And it doesn't stop at the Flossing debate.

The BC Hen house likes to state that bottom bouncing is the same as flossing, which as W4F states is similar, yet totally different.

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Re: Fraser to Close new [Re: fishhog]
      #298501 - 08/20/07 04:13 PM

Yeah, but Mark, y'all know I don't know squat about the Fraser (Eh?)
BC Steel is not to blame here for the thought. He is right that the official scapegoat for the problem is the recreational anglers near Chilliwack. Forget about facts, all it takes is a trip up there to see some classic examples of rather nasty fishing ethics, regardless of how many responsible anglers there are.

It's tough to argue, when (almost) ALL flossers are bottom bouncers, and a lot of bottom bouncers are also flossing.
Where it gets funky is the holy war of definitions as to what is too long a leader, and when is it flossing, vs, when is it just a long leader? 3'? 4'? Some factor of fish length, or visibility?

How about plunking? bar-fishing? ('old-school' like they used to do below the Mission Bridge back in the 70's)? Speylines, with 10' leaders, and streamers?
What about tying a jog to your mainline (braid) and running it at the seam of a deep pool and the main flow (like sometimes forms at the mouth of the Vedder?) Is that flossing? What if a short leader 'snags' a sock in the side of the jaw?

What's really really funny, is when you see the 'purists' fishing. Funny, how they don't release too many when retention is allowed, but oh how they wail and moan over those danged flossers.

I guess it's all they can complain about in the hope of getting some response from the DFO, or at least some kind of reaction on the forums to validate their thoughts...

OH, wait a minute... AWW Diaper-fillings!! I fell into the same trap.

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      #298522 - 08/20/07 05:58 PM

Im not blaming BCSteel, I just don't want that kind of crap on this site.

Take a peek on this BC forum, and you'll know EXACTLY why I'm so up in arms. http://www.bcfishingreports.com/forum/index.php

There's more bickering going on here than a bunch of high school girls fighting over a boyfriend.
I dare ya to post a picture holding a fish, then wait for the critics.

Bunch if flippin haters yo.

I know that bottom bouncing with anything over 48" is most likely flossing fish. Funny thing is, south of the border, a 36" wouldn't even raise an eyebrow and leaders up to 48" are common for side drifting, depending on water clarity.
They should have made a leader restriction. This would have cut down on the sport catch and most of the bickering.
I used to floss, but do it no longer. I also have tried other methods with VERY limited success. I think I've caught two, and one of those was questionable.
If they would have pulled their bals out of their purse and made flossing illegal, end of debate. Fact is, "strongly encouraging it" doesn't make it illegal. Ethics is a whole different animal, which I won't go into.

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      #298523 - 08/20/07 06:04 PM

An interesting little tidbit:

From Saturday's Globe and Mail

August 18, 2007 at 2:11 AM EDT

VANCOUVER — Native fishermen are vowing to head out onto the lower Fraser River this weekend to fish for sockeye salmon – defying a federal ban – in part to protest against the continuing recreational fishery.

“A few of the bands have said they're going to go out fishing,” said Ernie Crey, fisheries adviser for the Sto:lo bands in the eastern Fraser Valley. His own band, the Cheam, is considering joining that action.

The Sto:lo are angry, he said, that the Department of Fisheries and Oceans will not allow them or other bands along the Lower Fraser to fish for sockeye, but will allow anglers to ply the river until Monday. Although those recreational fishermen are not permitted to catch sockeye, the Sto:lo say that happens anyway.

“It's now common knowledge that they're killing and keeping sockeye,” Mr. Crey said.

So, today or tomorrow, according to Mr. Crey, natives in fishing boats will cast nets into the Fraser, partly as a gesture of protest and partly as a way to stock their freezers for the winter.

DFO is declining to say exactly how it will respond to such a move. “We'll monitor that situation, and depending on the circumstances, we'll take appropriate action,” said Paul Ryall, head of the department's salmon team.

However, B.C. Conservative MP John Cummins, an outspoken critic of federal fisheries policy, said he believes that fisheries officials will not intervene – even though they should – to protect the sockeye stocks. “They can't tolerate this sort of behaviour,” he said. “But by past performance, [intervention] hasn't happened.”

At the root of the dispute is a stunning collapse in the size of this year's runs of sockeye on the Fraser, and the resulting plummet in the size of the allowable catch. No one is certain why the population has declined so much, but the warm oceans of four years ago are thought to have reduced food sources and increased predators. As a result, there will be no commercial fishery for sockeye this year, and aboriginal bands that last year harvested close to a million fish will be limited to just 180,000. Already, 100,000 fish have been caught, with DFO deciding late Thursday to open fisheries only upstream of Sawmill Creek, north of Hope, and then only until tomorrow evening.

The recreational fishery will remain open until midnight tomorrow. Although the Sto:lo and other native bands are upset that it will not be closed sooner, the DFO's Mr. Ryall said an immediate closing is impractical, and that the department typically tries to give 48-hour notice. A decision was made late Thursday, and a formal notice given Friday morning, with the fishery closing more than 60 hours later.

Donald Sam, fisheries co-ordinator for the Nlaka'Pamux, said he could not say what the effect of unauthorized fishing downstream would be on his bands' legal fishing efforts. But he said the Nlaka'Pamux plan to comply with DFO directives.

Mr. Ryall said there will be a relatively small number of fish caught legally in the Upper Fraser this weekend, around 3,000 sockeye.

What will happen on the Lower Fraser with illegal boats and nets is unclear. Mr. Crey said he's not sure how many native fishermen will head out this weekend. But he is certain that the tide of anger toward the DFO is rising. “The whole community along the lower river is in turmoil right now.”

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      #298524 - 08/20/07 06:06 PM

the number of frazer river sockeye taken to date by FN fishers is not 18,000
as reported it is 62,000 as quoted by Fisheries and Oceans Canada at a meeting aug 13/07. of those 32,000 were caught during an opening the prior weekend.
it is interesting to note that these catches were allowed for food and ceremonial purposes. one must question what ceremony warrants selling these fish to the public.
the story says that sto:lo fisheries advisor Ernie Crey expressed concerns that sport fishers targeting springs are intercepting sockeye.
readers should be aware that with current favourable temps and water levels, the mortality in releasing sockeye caught incidentaly is probably no more than 5%.
past documented studies on c & r support these numbers. DFO surveys estimates the number of anglers fishing for springs this past weekend at 300.
if each of these anglers hooked one sockeye, the mortality rate would be no more than 15 fish.
this number is inconsequential compared the 62,000 fish taken by FN. the impact of the sports fishery is minimal on stocks, while the financial benefit to the local economy is in the many millions of dollars.
the sport fishers are responsible stewards, as indicated by the recent and ongoing campaign within the sports fishing community to get anglers to fish for
spring salmon, with methods designed to avoid sockeye.
it would be prudent to get the opinions of the sport fishing community in any future articles related to fisheries to ensure all pertinent info is obtained.
our organization or others in the area would be pleased to provide such inforamtion.

Rod Clapton, president BC federation of Drift Fishers

editors note"the number of sockeye caught as quoted by Mr Clapton is correct. that number was not available to the reporter at the time the story was written. he has since been told that the cummulative total taken by FN is reported at 42,000 and that 20,000 more have been taken offshore

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      #298526 - 08/20/07 06:08 PM

Natives halt traditional fishery

By Chantal Eustace, Vancouver Sun

Published: Wednesday, August 15, 2007

Fish stocks in the Fraser River are so low this year that the Tsleil-Waututh Nation will forgo their tradition rights to fish for sockeye, Chief Leah George Wilson announced Monday.
"We have serious concerns that salmon stocks are in danger," Wilson said. "Tsleil-Waututh does not want to fish the last sockeye in the Fraser."
Wilson said the Tsleil-Waututh - also known as the Burrard Indian Band - questions whether Department of Fisheries and Oceans return estimate predictions of 1.6 million sockeye are correct.
The Tsleil-Waututh, a Coast Salish community in North Vancouver with a population of about 450 people, traditionally fish in the Fraser River, Burrard Inlet and Indian Arm. In the past, they have been allocated about 7,000 sockeye for food, social and ceremonial use.
"Our harvest numbers are modest compared to other communities with larger populations," said Tsleil-Waututh council member Matt Thomas.
"Nevertheless, the decision not to harvest will create some hardship, particularly for some of our elders."
But elder Ernie George said he supported the decision to refrain from harvesting sockeye this year.
"In my lifetime we've seen our ability to harvest clams, crab and other marine resources impacted by industrial development in Burrard Inlet and Indian Arm," George said.
"We had no voice in the protection of those resources. We have a voice and a choice today."

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      #298543 - 08/20/07 08:10 PM

My bad - I said 60000 lbs, when I should have said 60000 salmon. What's a few 100 TONS of salmon between friends?

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      #298597 - 08/21/07 08:43 AM

I like Chief Leah George Wilson's approach realizing that the run is suffering and even though it will create hardship, they are not going to net.
Everyone needs to realize that we all have to scale back in order to protect the run for the future.

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      #298972 - 08/24/07 11:08 AM

WOW! Something actually happened for once. Although it was orchestrated so that they can get this into the court system. Check out the snippets I bolded.

OK, now, forget entirely what group is doing all this. Forget that there are only a couple thousand people in the Fraser Valley with the legal status to be considered part of that group...

Focus on the fishing management fiasco. Note how there is no mention of by-catch. Of course no other species are caught in these nets, none at all. Nope, no Vedder steel, no Thompson steel, no coho, no chinook, none. It's all those evil sports anglers with their killing single barbless hooks that are decimating the stocks.

Nor is there mention of possible penalty, if charges stick and convictions are found/and upheld.



Illegal fishery draws charges, native boats take more sockeye
Aug 23 2007
Aboriginal fishermen from three different bands now face charges of illegally fishing after heading out on the Fraser River to catch sockeye salmon over the weekend in contravention of a fishing ban.
Protest fisheries were conducted by the Musqueam, Chehalis and Cheam bands that stretch from Vancouver to Chilliwack.
Charges were laid against about 35 native harvesters, most of them Musqueam members, according to the Department of Fisheries and Oceans.
DFO acting area director Mel Kotyk said the bands took only a token number of sockeye and seemed mainly intent on triggering charges to push the issue before the courts.
“They have a message they’re trying to deliver,” he said. “If they decide to go out and do more protest fisheries we’ll continue on with our enforcement action.”
Aboriginal leaders on the lower Fraser are angry sports anglers were permitted to keep fishing for chinook salmon – and potentially hooking sockeye as well – until Sunday night while their people were to be sidelined.
“We’re out of the water and we’re looking at anglers killing sockeye,” Sto:lo fishery advisor Ernie Crey said, noting that after conservation aboriginal bands have first priority to salmon ahead of all other users.
Federal fishery officials, who announced the sports fishing shut down late Thursday, had said a delay was needed to get out word of the angling closure.
Some aboriginal boats headed out on the river Friday evening and caught sockeye or chinook over the weekend until the sports fishing ban took effect.
Commercial fishing had already been ruled out this summer because just a quarter of the 6.4 million sockeye expected to return are showing up.
The angling shutdown applies between Mission and Hope but may be lifted around Labour Day after most sockeye have passed.
Native bands have already caught 100,000 Fraser sockeye in their constitutionally protected food fisheries.
DFO has determined there’s another 80,000 sockeye that can be safely caught while ensuring enough spawn, but they will be allocated to other Fraser River bands upstream of Hope.
Aboriginal food fishing normally nets a million Fraser sockeye in a more typical year.
Crey said he believes some bands may go out again.
“It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the bands planned another fishery,” he said.
Federal fisheries minister Loyola Hearn appealed for calm on the river, while vowing DFO will take “appropriate enforcement action” if there’s more illegal fishing.
“It is very important for all groups and individuals to respect the fishery closures,” he said. “We are all troubled by low numbers of sockeye returning to the Fraser this year.”


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      #341142 - 07/25/08 06:11 AM

Its time!!!!! Fraser Opens July 26th for Sockeye_

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/c...ID=recreational


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      #341315 - 07/27/08 06:44 PM

Is this possible. We where just talking at the Cowtilla, that it sure would be nice if they would open that thing up this year. FJ, Drifterat, Mike, You guys reading this, looks like it's time to go get some Socks in August...

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      #341446 - 07/28/08 09:41 PM

Saw that Duane. Haven't broke the news to the wife yet so not sure how that will go over...yet.

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      #341448 - 07/28/08 09:44 PM

I talked to Dad last night. There's lots being caught right now, but with DFO, you never know how long it will last.

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      #341453 - 07/28/08 11:42 PM

Frasertilla?

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      #341477 - 07/29/08 09:50 AM

Don't make any plans. She be closing






Fishery Notice

Category(s): RECREATIONAL - Salmon

Subject: FN0528-Salmon: Sockeye - Non-tidal Fraser River - Region 2 - Closure

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The Fraser River Panel met on Monday July 28, and received an update on the
status of Fraser River sockeye stocks and fishery catches to date. The summer
run component of this years return currently appears to be tracking at the 75%P
level of 1.182 million. At this run size there is no available recreational or
commercial TAC.

Therefore the current status of the Fraser River sockeye return does not
provide for any additional recreational sockeye retention opportunities at this
time in Southern B.C. waters.

Effective Wednesday, July 30, at 21:00 hours until further notice, you may not
retain sockeye in that portion of the Fraser River from the CPR Bridge at
Mission, BC upstream to Alexandra Bridge.

Landstrom Bar Closure: The area described below remains closed to fishing for
all salmon species until October 31, 2008.

Those waters of the Fraser River inside a line beginning at a fishing boundary
sign on the eastern end of Landstrom Bar, then to a fishing boundary sign on
the opposite bank, then to a fishing boundary sign on the southern end of Croft
Island, then westerly to a fishing boundary sign on the nearest bank of the
river, then following the river bank to the beginning point.
Notes:

Barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in tidal and non-tidal
waters of British Columbia. This includes all species of fish in the Fraser
River.

The term "hatchery marked" means a fish that has a healed scar in place of the
adipose fin.

Sport anglers are encouraged to participate in the voluntary Salmon Sport Head
Recovery program by labelling and submitting heads from adipose fin-clipped
chinook and coho salmon. Recovery of coded-wire tags provides critical
information for coast-wide stock assessment. Contact the Salmon Sport Head
Recovery Program at (866) 483-9994 for further information.

A Fishery Notice with an update on the status of Fraser River sockeye stocks
will be provided Monday PM Jul 28.

Variation Order No. 2008-295 - July 28, 2008

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      #341512 - 07/29/08 02:42 PM

Bummer - I was gonna go up Thursday.
I guess if it's closed only the Sto:lo will be doing their illegal netting without having to go around the sporties.


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      #341524 - 07/29/08 04:37 PM

Springs are still open! thems Big uns too

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Re: Fraser Open for Sox new [Re: Coho]
      #341527 - 07/29/08 05:19 PM

OH Well. I'll save a bunch of money on Gas. Besides, going to Wyoming in a couple weeks, at 11 miles per gallon it's going to run me about $1300.00 for the whole trip. Like FJ mentioned, this will probably keep the peace with the wives..

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      #341543 - 07/29/08 07:16 PM

Springers only open until Aug 8 (for now..)
Don't forget the Slot limit for Springers :

Effective 00:01 hours Monday June 16, 2008 and until 23:59 hours Friday August 8, 2008, in 29-11 to 29-17 and in Region 2 the non-tidal waters of the Fraser River you may retain one Chinook per day greater than 30 cm but less than 77 cm. You may not retain Chinook greater than 77 cm.

Translation:
30 to 77 cm = 11.8 to 30.3 inches. So yes, you can keep something as puny as 1 ft, but don't get caught with a decent sized 31". Yeah, great fisheries mgmt there. Of course, there's still no enforcement, so there won't be much adherence to the slot limit.

The illegal nets certainly won't be adhering to a slot limit.


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      #344209 - 08/24/08 10:28 PM

Quote:

workin4fishin said:Yeah, great fisheries mgmt there. Of course, there's still no enforcement, so there won't be much adherence to the slot limit.

The illegal nets certainly won't be adhering to a slot limit.




Oh yee of ill informed native and enforcment bashing. Truth be told I have been checked more times in the past 2 months ( 5 times ) on the Fraser than in my entire life combined in the rest of BC. This is not a solitary experience by me either. Mulitple boat launch checks and roving boat checks. Scale bar had a massive amount of tickets handed out for everything from barbed hooks to retaining multiples of fish over the slot limit at least 4 times this year alone. Far and away the vast majority of FN nets are being regularly and legally tended with only a few rogue nets giving a bad name to the rest of the bunch.

Next time you want to spout off blatant lies about a fishery that you do not understand, dont, and save youself the shame of looking like a fool.

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      #344210 - 08/24/08 10:55 PM

Once again BCSqueel jumps in, takes a pot shot and takes off eh. Can you say..... ????
When, oh when will the BC "elite" (I use the term loosly) realize that they need to quit the pity party BS and instead focus making much needed changes to their fisheries.
The BC forums are full of pissing & whining. Oh, and don't you dare post a picture for fear of being branded a snagger.

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      #344216 - 08/25/08 07:26 AM

Quote:

Truth be told I have been checked more times in the past 2 months ( 5 times ) on the Fraser than in my entire life combined in the rest of BC.




WOW - You've ben checked a whole 5 times in your entire life. Sounds like a regular draconian police state there buddy, eh?

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      #344217 - 08/25/08 07:32 AM

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...the vast majority of FN nets are being regularly and legally tended with only a few rogue nets giving a bad name to the rest of the bunch.





Golly gee, as long as it's only a 'few' rogue nets, then I guess it's ok.


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      #344929 - 08/31/08 02:27 PM

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Truth be told I have been checked more times in the past 2 months ( 5 times ) on the Fraser than in my entire life combined in the rest of BC.




You must have phenomenally bad luck...

Just spent a couple days on the Fraser. The only sign of DFO existence was their twice daily helo fly-over. Asked lots of people at different launches, and guys at the shop. No one has heard jack squat about any enforcement for anything. Oh, and LOTS and LOTS of illegal nets.


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      #344946 - 08/31/08 07:45 PM

And there you have it. A fresh report from someone I respect, rather someone with an agenda.

No worries, he won't be back again until this same time next year with another rant on flossing.

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Re: Fraser Open for Sox new [Re: fishhog]
      #345305 - 09/03/08 09:26 PM

As per usual, fishhog has absoutly nothing usefull to add, just more excuses to try and continue the any fish at any cost attack on BCs fisheries.

Golly gee, as long as it's only a 'few' rogue nets, then I guess it's ok.

And on that note, you might want to let your illegal guiding Washingtonite buddies know that they are getting pretty close to being busted. Their early morning start times from Island 22 with their continually changing "guests" from places unknown, are not fooling anyone.

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      #345366 - 09/04/08 11:46 AM

Interestingly, I start fishing early when I fish, and I fish with many different "guests". Sometimes friends, sometiems family, sometimes people I met on this board. Does that make me a "illegal guide"? Just curious, as I wouldn't want to get arrested next time I fish BC?

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      #345378 - 09/04/08 02:00 PM

Only in his reality Mojo.

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Re: Fraser Open for Sox new [Re: workin4fishin]
      #345475 - 09/05/08 11:36 AM

Nothing useful..... Hmmmmmmm Depends on your point of view.
I look up all your posts (And I mean all), I see some good points and I see some not some good ones.
Like this classic right here in regards to a Center Pin question:



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fredaevans said:
I can see where a center pin reel could be a gas to use/fish with, etc. BUT why not use the long rod with a light level wind casting reel? You can 'free spool' these and they don't cost several hundred dollars for a 'good one.'

Fred


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Answer: Why not just buy your fish at the store and hike beside the river instead? Cheaper that way too.

Sure I've made some dumb comments, but with almost 4300 posts, your bound to make put your foot in your mouth at least once.

As far as illegal guiding goes, the poeple I fish with aren't those types of individuals. If they were, I wouldn't associate with them. I know for myself, I haven't set foot on the Fraser this year one time. Reason being is that I've been way to busy and I'm not a big fan of flossing.

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Re: Fraser Open for Sox new [Re: fishhog]
      #345544 - 09/05/08 08:51 PM

I just want to know how the fishing is?

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Re: Fraser Open for Sox new [Re: fishhog]
      #345545 - 09/05/08 08:58 PM

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I look up all your posts (And I mean all)




Stalker!!


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Re: Fraser Open for Sox new [Re: Fish Jesus]
      #345839 - 09/07/08 10:02 PM

Stalker? Um NO!

Mojo just wants to know how the fishing is. Isn't this a BC report section?

If it's the BC whining section, I'm in the wrong spot!!!

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