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      #172489 - 02/28/05 08:34 PM

the shell stations in marysville have it for $2.69 - $2.75 and fred meyer for $2.43 is there any end to upward climb or do we need to by a gas truck again?

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Vman]
      #172503 - 02/28/05 08:53 PM

killin me too.. taint right

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Marty]
      #172542 - 02/28/05 10:44 PM

Really killing me...... 102 trucks and 200 gallons each a day.

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: luv2fish]
      #172591 - 03/01/05 06:54 AM

Got a buddy in the oil business, I asked him and he said its gonna be a while.

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Outlaw76]
      #172975 - 03/02/05 12:39 AM

For those that don't want to do the math at $2.50 a gallon. that = $51,000. HOLLLLLLLLLLLLEY SHHHHHHHAAAAAAT thats alot of money. no wonder the price of everything is going up. Just wondering which trucking company luvtofish.

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Lilfisher]
      #173032 - 03/02/05 10:54 AM

$2.71 in Wenatchee!!! $92.00 to fill up my F350!!! Bastards, diesel was $.90 in '96 when I bought my first powerstroke!

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: snit]
      #173116 - 03/02/05 04:46 PM

Alot more diesels on the road these days. Sounds like the demand has gone way up and with that so will the prices.

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Fish Jesus]
      #173150 - 03/02/05 06:41 PM

Lil, Excel Transport and Richardson Trucking. I run them both.

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: luv2fish]
      #173595 - 03/04/05 12:25 AM

Luv,
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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Lilfisher]
      #173613 - 03/04/05 04:47 AM

I saw in the paper a couple of days ago that our wonderful state legislature is thinking of raising gas taxes 10-15 cents/gallon. They said we wouldn't care, because 2 years ago they raised the tax by 5 cents and the public was pretty quiet about it. They want to pay for the huge road projects that are now on the drawing board - New Alaska Way viaduct, 520 bridge, widen 405, more money for mass transit, the list goes on and on...

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Quillback]
      #173691 - 03/04/05 10:41 AM

I just took a trip to California I paid $2.70 in Washington for diesel. $2.23 in Oregon $2.15 in California and Washington wants to raise taxis again.

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Hairball]
      #173724 - 03/04/05 12:58 PM

that is such HorseS@!T. Were gonna see 3 bucks a gallon.

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Outlaw76]
      #173736 - 03/04/05 01:56 PM

It's already just over $3 (converted to USD per US gal) in Canada.
They pay it, we'll pay it, and eventually we'll all just get used to it. That's how overtaxation works.
Ever heard of the 'frog in a pot or warm water' analogy?

Raise the temp a bit at a time and it will sit there until it cooks. Put a bunch of really hot water in all at once and it will jump out right away.

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: workin4fishin]
      #173809 - 03/04/05 08:15 PM

a friend of mine knows a gas station owner and he said it will top out at $3.05 this summer before it starts to drop.

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Vman]
      #175266 - 03/10/05 12:02 PM

Here's a link to a story about proposed gas tax increase.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transportation/215368_transpo10.html

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Quillback]
      #175381 - 03/10/05 06:24 PM

ONE of the reasons diesel is more expesive is that they are putting less and less sulfer in it during refining. Less Sulfer = better for your engine! Any of you notice a little better millage lately(not towing)?

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: SKYGUY]
      #175601 - 03/11/05 10:32 AM

Yep Skyguy. I averaged 24.6 Mpg on my 1200 mile trip to California in my Chevy D-Max

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Hairball]
      #175722 - 03/11/05 08:34 PM

No load?

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Fish Jesus]
      #175779 - 03/12/05 01:55 AM

nice mileage hairball.. 4x4?

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Marty]
      #175936 - 03/12/05 08:55 PM

WOW! That's awesome mileage. I just did 300+ miles today from Wenatchee to Kent over Blewett/Snoqualmie, up 405 to Woodinville (BS'd Dave Lee @ 3Rivers and only dropped $100.00) and back to Wenatchee via Stevens and I felt good getting 19.2 in my 7.3 PSD (4x4 crew cab, a/t)

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: snit]
      #175952 - 03/12/05 09:35 PM

snit what kind of rubber you running on for tires?

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Marty]
      #175995 - 03/13/05 07:09 AM

Tire's can make a big change in MPG. My old gas truck got 17 to 19 mpg and put new tires on it, went from highways to M/S and lost 2 mpg.
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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Will fish for food]
      #176094 - 03/13/05 02:45 PM

It’s a 2500 4x4 with juice & attitude 4 inch exhaust and aftermarket cold air intake and yes I calculated the mpg by hand. This was all highway and I had the juice set on level 0 (Timing only) most of the time and I uses FPPF total power & 8+ cetane improver witch cost an extra .04 cent per gallon but improved mileage 1.5 to 2.0 mpg. How you drive makes the biggest difference on mpg. On the way back my wife drove some and the mileage took a quick drop to about 20mpg.

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Hairball]
      #176261 - 03/14/05 11:19 AM

Marty, I like the Firestone Steeltex stock tires. All seasons. I get them siped, and still get 55-60K miles out of them, but I run them right down to legal. They're decent in the snow untill about 40K, then they're pretty slippery. I'm running them on all 3 of our Superduties, and they've performed very well. My tire guy said Firestone is discontinuing the Steeltex and going to newer design.

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: snit]
      #177535 - 03/22/05 09:48 AM

A little research turned up this...

For the week ending Feb. 18, average Washington diesel prices were the highest in the continental US at $2.51/gallon (Hawaii was higher). In the four weeks running up to Feb. 18 diesel prices increased 34 cents/gallon while gasoline prices rose 10 cents, for a total difference of 53 cents (27% more for diesel). California prices have risen recently too, however Washington is now about 20 cents higher for diesel.

The dubious distinction of being number 1 has invited heightened interest. CTED Energy Policy has been talking with Washington's 5 oil refiners about the high prices. Tony asked me to brief you on our findings. As you all know oil markets are complex. We have not attempted to do more than find out what the industry has to say.

Over the past decade west coast prices for gasoline and diesel have steadily increased versus the rest of the nation. In this latest period the Pacific Northwest states all rose versus California.

High prices across the nation are of course due to high crude prices and increased environmental costs (for example the requirement to move to low sulfur diesel), among other things. Higher west coast prices reflect higher taxes generally, a somewhat isolated market where high operating capacity leaves little room for contingencies, and selective products such as California's reformulated gasoline. Timely import capability and product substitution is limited.

1. Eastern Washington, Idaho and Montana are experiencing very tight diesel supplies. The ConocoPhillips, Spokane terminal is on 80 percent allocation for a couple of reasons. First, a large Suncor crude processing facility near Edmonton had large explosions and a fire in January. They are operating at 50% capacity and will not be back to full production (225,000 Bbl/d) until this summer. Suncor provides diesel and synthetic crude to the Pacific Northwest by pipeline and barge. Second, the ConocoPhillips, Billings refinery is experiencing serious operational problems and is not able to produce consistently. So supply is tight. The prospects for March do not appear much better. The Billings refinery has scheduled a March turnaround to fix the problems. At the same time, the COE plans to shut down several Columbia River locks for maintenance. Product will not be barged to Pasco for insertion in the Chevron Pipeline to serve Spokane during that time.

2. Recently, Tesoro, Anacortes, Washington's third largest refinery at 115,000 Bbl/day conducted a major turnaround. Tesoro has been down nearly all of February and will not complete its turnaround until sometime in the first week of March. Tesoro has used increased inventory and imports to meet contract demand during the period, but did not attempt to meet 100 percent of normal demand. It covered its normal gasoline demand more completely than diesel. This required other refiners and marketers to "fill the gap." Unfortunately, coming during a time of already tight supply, it has been difficult for others to pick up the slack. ConocoPhillips, Ferndale was down a couple of days dealing with a sulfur facility. Most of the others operated at or near capacity, but import capability was constrained from Edmonton and Billings, and to some degree from California (see discussion on lubricity standards).

3. Washington's second largest refinery, Shell, Ferndale (115,000 Bbl/day) was in scheduled turnaround all January. They met 100 percent of normal demand for the period through inventory and imports, but the lost production was missed.

4. Olympic Pipeline scheduled a shut down for 5 days in February. This required additional imports.

5. The initiation of lubricity standards has made some imports difficult. According to the industry, unfamiliarity with state Departments of Agriculture regulatory processes, and differences between states have caused companies to take different positions on accepting diesel with or without lubricants. This has made it difficult to foster trades, purchase imports and deliver to traditional locations. For example, some Portland terminals are not accepting diesel that includes lubricants. Some refineries in California add the lubricant at the refinery (versus at terminals in the Pacific Northwest). This diesel cannot be barged to some Portland terminals even if it is available. I did not attempt to sort out all company positions on this issue.

6. US Oil, Tacoma is Washington's smallest refinery at ~44,000 Bbl/day. They have been operating at or near capacity during the Shell and Tesoro turnarounds but are scheduled for a 4 week March turnaround.

7. BP, Cherry Point, Washington's largest refinery at 225,000 Bbl/day has been operating at or near capacity during the Shell and Tesoro turnarounds and expects to continue such operations through March.

Looks like some bad timing for fires and operational problems. Also some exacerbating circumstances caused by initiation of the lubricity standards in January. Not meeting normal demand during a major turnaround created a gap for others to fill. Continuing problems with lubricity standards, a couple more turnarounds, continued low Suncor production and lock closures in March suggest more of the same heading into spring. ConocoPhillips being at 80 percent allocation during a period of low demand is a serious sign of a very short market

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: winterchrome]
      #177546 - 03/22/05 10:49 AM

80 bucks topped off my tank the other day, and I had a 1/4 tank when I refueled...

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: BigNate]
      #177567 - 03/22/05 12:57 PM

excel trucking eh? luv to fish
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Re: diesel prices new [Re: winterchrome]
      #177590 - 03/22/05 04:53 PM

Winterchrome...great post! Thanks for the info (even though I'm not happy with the situation! )

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: snit]
      #177918 - 03/24/05 09:51 PM

On the 10th of March I paid 2.17 here in wWinnemucca and drove north to the Bend /Madras area of Oregon. Fuel was 2.69 in Burns. I said ouch.... Fuel was 2.69 in Bend got home and fuel was 2.17. Fuel is now 241 in Winnemucca so it must be 3.10 in eastern Oregoin. yikes. Might put a hurt on the ROad Warrior.

002 Chevy DMax with Alison tran. Ran from winnemucca to bend with the Camper on and got 14.77 but only drove 62-65mph. Cammper is 3500 lb Truck is stock.

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Re: diesel prices new [Re: Desertdog]
      #178593 - 03/29/05 09:28 AM

Could be worse the last truck I owned had a 454 gas that got 5 pulling and 8 empty. With the diesel I am up to 12 pulling 17 empty, so look on the brite side.

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