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i saw the first summer steelhead of the year today. it's pretty cool we are whacking chrome bright winters and there are already summers around. still waiting on that springer though. i will be trying next month.
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are you sure it's not a late winter?? seems awful early for a summer
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yeah, it had a ventral clip, and summers are the only ones with that and no sex organs other than a couple orange slivers of what will be eggs in months to come. that is the earliest that i have ever seen one. it also was confirmed by the fish checker. there are a pile of bright winters still around also.
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I've caught a couple summers in the Sandy during late February. Just like ifish365's, extra missing fins ID'd it and the lack of mature internals. Sure is a nice bonus to get one that early!
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i did not catch the fish, i did witness it..... i don't do false credit.
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Does anyone have any good photos of ventral cliped summers?
I've caught a few summers and never noticed this. interesting...
I always wondered how they distinguished the runs apart.
Is this only on the nestucca?
I suppose hatcheries all have their own method of marking.
Btw 57 summer steelhead counted over willamette falls so far.
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certain rivers have certain clips. ask a biologist or fish checker what your rivers clips are. nestucca summers have an adipose and vent clip. the late winter brood stock have an adipose and right maxilary clip.
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Btw 57 summer steelhead counted over willamette falls so far.
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I fish in Oregon once or twice a year and i always get a summer in april when i go down, along with a mix of Nates and winter hatchery fish! In fact, i will be goin this weekend!!!
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where are ya going?? i got to fish an hour and a half today and got two. i'm putting in a full day tomorrow and it should be good, i got one piggie hatchery fish today that i guessed at 14#, i released both.... i took a pic of the big one 
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yeah, small potatoes. i'm not very good at figuring out electrical stuff.. figuring out how to get fish to bite is much more fun. just curious, did ya get my pm about the cure? not a big deal, i was just curious what the rave on this site was about that cure. p.s. the lady just fixed the date on the cam.
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scud... Besides the typical adipose clip, there's left and right ventral fin clippings and left and right maxillary clips. Different variations of clips to ID what strain and what run. Many of the bigger rivers have two or three releases that could be broodstock or different strains of hatchery plants as well as summer/winter runs. Each river system typically has there "own" markings meaning that a adipose/left ventral might be a summer in one, but, a winter broodstock in another system.
I know that, at least until 2000, the Clackamas River had 3 different sets of clippings to identify the summer run.
Many times you can email the WDFW or ODFW and ask them what markings are in said river. Sometime within the fiscal year they will get back to you I've had much better response asking about one river at a time. At least you get it straight from the source.
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I realize the photo is of a hatchery fish but why is it all dragged up on the sand and rocks? Why not just bonk it turn it loose? Not trying to be a dick but it seems like a waste of game with the fish being treated that way.
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the fish was released un harmed. i'm sure that is alot easier on a fish than being hooked and reeled in. i hook and release alot of fish and that will not change anytime soon. i did not rub sand in his gills or beat it up on the bank, if it makes you feel better i will not post any more pictures of fish that i release. a waste of game? right after that pic was taken i deep hooked a small buck and tagged that one, if i would have released that fish it would have been a waste of game. do you know how many boat fisherman put nates in a net and bring them in the boat to take the hooks out and then release them? i think that would be alot harder on these fish, anyways, i try to be as easy on fish as i can, no more pics of released fish from me.
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Chill. Keep the pics coming.... There is a reason he is called "rookieangler".  
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i will, i just got irritated with that reply. actually, i will post some tomorrow. i finally go back to work on sunday, so i will catch a nice one to take a picture of tomorrow.
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I think that you need to chill. I merely asked a question. Had I known your skin was so thin (think ziz-zag) I would have worded it differently. Oh and please no threats of no more pics stud. As far as my moniker I gave it to myself it wasnt bestowed upon me by the more esteemed anglers on this board but thanks for trying to belittle me L2F. Save the emoticons for your pals.
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perhaps the Zig Zag man influenced his post??  
whatever the case... keep the porn comin Ifish
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you are a funny guy tony, i was thinking the same thing. i just got back from a little work late last night and i'm contemplating a trip to the river. if i go, which i probably will, i will giva a report.
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I realize the photo is of a hatchery fish but why is it all dragged up on the sand and rocks? Why not just bonk it turn it loose? Not trying to be a dick but it seems like a waste of game with the fish being treated that way.
A second vote for RA on this subject. If you intend to return a fish, don't! take him/her out of the water. Also skip the 'hero photo shoot' holding the fish out of the water improperly supported (which is damned near impossible to do). Remember, a fishes 'structure' is designed to support him in a water enviornment (sp?).
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doesn't the hook and fight do more damage though? further educate me if you know something i do not, i understand the point of view, but it seems that you sould also be anti catch and release if you think an out of the water photo is hard on the fish, i really am curious. i would like to also hear your catch and release point of view, thanks.
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hero photo shoot? well, ya might be able to catch some reactions with that fly rod anyways. 
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As far as I know there is no scientific studies regarding mortality rates due to taking a picture of a salmonid out of water. Fred I am sorry but I have to disagree.
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Gooose I am going to disagree with you on this because most any clipped steelhead that has a photo op with me usualy has a date with the "Robin Stick!"   Sorry fred there is no scienticfic evidence that supports that and Gooose would be the one to know this.
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it has me scratching my head how many pictures of fish that were released on this site, then i post one that is a hatchery fish and i'm the only one to catch crap about it. that was my point though, my hooks do more damage than the photo, again, if anyone see's me doing anything in my posts that you think could be done in a more fish friendly way, please inform me. i do not claim to be an authority on anything, just be diplomatic about it.
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Please continue to post pics of legally handled fish. People have opinions on how to handle fish. Freds and others are valid opinions. Some opinions are based on science and others are bases simply on opinion. Personally I wouldn't put any fish on the dry bank if I intend to release it...thats my opinion. I might take said fish out of the water for a quick pic if I desired to....thats my opinion. Would I chastise someone for doing so? Nope.
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Well said Brady!
I365, most guys don't disagree with you takin a pic but leaving a CNR fish on the dry bank can only hurt the fish. Even a couple inches of H2O would have been fine..but by all means...keep the porn coming! 
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yeah, i'm sure it would not be a problem to leave those released fish in a little water, and i could see how it would benefit the fish. i never took pics of released fish much before so there was no reason to take them out of the water, i guess if you want to take pics there is still no reason to take them out of the water. thanks for the input guys, hopefully i can practice my revised fish photography today, i only got one yesterday, thanks again and i will keep the pics coming.
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http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/mnr/pubs/fishing/catch_and_release_review_and_guidelines.pdf
This is the most complete 'disertation' on proper care/handling of fish during C and R I've ever run across. Long, but a very! good read.
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fred, it isn't coming up on my computer. i definetly have alot to learn, but i try to be fish friendly. i never used to take fish out of the water, i never even carried a camera. i am open to any recomendations on any subject, that is how people learn. just state your concern and educate, i do not respond well to an attack. there are many points of view around and i know that i will be targeting wild winter run steelhead for years to come, any advise will be cosidered. there is no single fish friendly method to catch them so i would like to be easy on them trying to release them.
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Interesting. I never meant anything i said or asked as an 'attack' yet you obviously misconstrued it as such. I am beginning to see how things work around here for some.
The prick that catches more fish gets the support and backing at others expense, whereas the prick that doesnt catch fish gets ridiculed and chastised.
I wanted to know ifish365's reasoning for pulling his fish on the bank next to his lollipop sticks for a pic lesson. Not intended as a hostile question. I mean come on I am learning everyday how fish so when I see something like that on a board that usually hosts pics of either retained fish or fish (in or over water) about to be released, I have some questions.
I never expected to make friends on-line and so far I havent been disappointed.
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"Handling and Photographing a Fish
• Keep fish in the water as much as possible to minimize air exposure.
• Never place your fingers through gills or in the eyes.
• Don’t hold heavy fish by the jaw as this may damage the jaw and vertebrae.
• Hold large fish horizontally and support its body to avoid damage to the internal organs.
• Use wet hands or wet cloth gloves to handle the fish.
• Have camera ready prior to landing fish to minimize air exposure.
• If possible, photograph the fish while in water."
Sounds like pretty good recommendations to me.
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looks like he answered it.. no reason to go to name calling.
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Well, I for one will not lay a fish on the bank and take a pic then turn it loose, it just aint right.If its gonna be CNR then he will be released while still in the water. What anyone else does is on them.Whether the hooks do more damage or not, why do more? When all the fish are gone, I guess we can take up knitting.
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Loner you would have smacked that hatchery brat along the head.. he stands a better chance on the beach. 
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Well, you got that right, but then again I woulda kept the hatchery, whats the point in turnin it loose? Thats why we have the hatchery's aint it?
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Some folks catch more than a punchcard in a season so they release fish. Others don't like to eat them or have so many dam fish they don't need more. Heck if fishings good you can still fish if your not tagged out. Pure speculation on my part since I have never caught that many
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I hear ya, I have 1 punch card full and part of another, still would'nt lay it on the beach, but thats just me.
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i agree, they shouldn't be layed on the beach, i know that now and understand why, i was ignorant in that part of my fishing. i try to learn something everyday and you will never see another pic from me with a released fish on dry ground. i live for this sport and do not want to hurt it in any way.... rookie, the way you worded what you said was not good for me, if you have a concern then ask me and i will respond. the list goose put up there looks good to me. i do release many of my fish, i eat a little and give alot away to people who enjoy it and cannot obtain it. on a lighter note, fishing is still good... thank you guys for all of your input.
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Ifish, did you ever get the link above to open for you? It's a large PDF type file so it could well take it's sweet time if you're on a dial up connection.
I think Goose's 'bullet points' above fairly well sum up the conclusion(s). All that said, I, like a lot of others love 'fish porn.' Too bad (so far this season) I've had zero occation (yet) to take a photo.
Been darned interesting so far this season on the upper Rogue. Well over 3,000 fish into the upper 30 miles of river and NO BODY is consistently finding, let alone hooking, the darned things.
This is turning into the 'mystery season.'
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i can't get it on my computer, it just shows the little boxes with the x in them, like it's a picture or something. like i said, i never used to even bring a camera, and i have seen daily catch reports showing pics of wild steelhead on dry ground every day for a while and no body said anything to him, so i guess i didn't think about it. life is about learning, and i have alot to learn. thanks for your opinions and advise, they all help. i'm going to see if i can catch a fish now, thanks again.
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Don't sweat the small stuff ... life is all about learning. Sounds like your browser setting are seeing the pdf file as 'spam' of some sort. Things many pages long so a cut and paste would take forever ... even if I could do it. Which is doubtfull given the format.
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I'd guess he doesn't have Adobe Acrobat reader loaded on his machine. I'll see if I can find a place with a free download. Seem to recall Idaho Fish and Game website has it. Just click on the fishing regulations and it'll lead you on from there...
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i will check that out, i am interested in reading that, it can surely do no harm.
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