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What are some of the advantages you have experienced using your spey rod.
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Advantages
1. More casts per day
2. Increased drift control
3. Deeper drag free presentation of fly
4. Can cast further (when needed)
5. Easier on your body using two hander after you get over the initial conversion to using a two hander.
6. Its fun to cast
7. Hooked fish feel bigger on the spey when they put the Big C in your long rod
Disadvantages
1. Equipement costs more
2. Technical complexity of line to rod matching
3. Need bigger capacity reels
4. Need special costly spey lines which makes rocket sciene looks easy. LOL
5. You will always grab things with two hands going forward (lol)
6. No more fly hooks in the head and body
7. More difficult to fit your fly rod into the car/truck without breaking it apart when moving river locations
8. More difficult to line your rod in the darkness more rod length and guides to thread
9. The DNR officers may ask you why do you need such a long rod and question your fishing technique and watch you more. LOL One did to me until we had a nice talk. Now he does not check me for anything illegal.
10. You may stand out on your rivers as the long rodder with very few others to talk about spey rodding techniques.
11. Harder to land fish due to the long rod especially by yourself.
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Thats it for me, well I have a few more but will leave it for others. Life is good we know have an official spey forumn !
BG
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6. No more fly hooks in the head and body
Wait, isn't that a good thing Hal? 
I found that alot of the waters I wanted to fish with a flyrod, but was unable to because of high banks, etc accessible. Drift control is a true plus. You can really increase your drift, keeping our fly in the water alot longer. Increasing your hookups.
The only disadvantage I found (I buy everything used that's highend, so price isn't that bad for me, but I'm a frugal fly equiptment buyer lol) is "relearning" to cast. So used to double hauling, that I was overpowering the rod. But, once I slowed it down, the casting improved and increased in distance.
Nice thing, some of the spey rod (or double handers to some of you) are coming down in price. You can find some really nice "new" ones reasonably priced. Add a SA system II or Tioga and you're in business without going too overboard. Best thing I can say is if you get the chance, head to a spey clave to test these sticks out. Give you an idea what you're in for, and if you think it'd be something you'd like to do.
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Black_Ghost
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Yes number 6 is an advantage not a disadvantage. LOL And its true no more hooks in the back or head, less risk.
I will wait on adding my others until the spey heavy weights check in. LOL
BG
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Are you suggesting I am fat?
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It depends upon the context one reads and conceptulaizes information about spey fly fishing I suspect. LOL
Please add more advantages and disadvantages from the Scotman's perspective we want to know the truth from the spey home land, etc...
Cheers
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I am unable to discuss the advantages / disadvantages as I only Spey cast, I do not do overhead casting.
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#6
Hold the phone a minute.
I’ve hook my self more with a two-hander than a single-hander!
I take more chances with my spey rods then I ever did with any of my single handed rods.
Oh by the way I like this new thread site!
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Fred is RIGHT!!! Another disadvantage, too, is not only do you have to worry about being hit with a hook, you have to worry about physical "encounters with weighted heads", particularly in your own head area.....
But truthfully, in my part of the country, there are only a few streams wide enough or deep enough to use a spey rod, and a regular fly rod works better. But I do enjoy my shorter 2-hander on the waters where its size is useful, and that it "matches".
So, realistically, fit your rod to the water you fish!!
Sorry, guys, but contrary to our politician's beliefs, one size does NOT fit all!!!
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No Fred on this thread to my knowledge. LOL
Seriously, I hooked my self a lot more with a 9-10 foot single hander casting than with a spey rod 13 foot +. A lot more. Using a shorter leader also has helped.
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Quote:
Homer2handed said:
#6
Hold the phone a minute.
I’ve hook my self more with a two-hander than a single-hander!
I take more chances with my spey rods then I ever did with any of my single handed rods.
Oh by the way I like this new thread site!
Gotta go with Brian on this one.  I rarily every wacked my self when using a one hander ... but if you come forward off your 'D loop' in too verticle a motion!!! That's when you get the 'spey version' of a tailing loop ... and you WILL wack yourself with the fly. Given it's volocity (sp?) the fly will usually just 'bounce off' of you rather than implant itself somewhere on/about your body.
Up on the North Umpqua last week fishing 'shirt less' in 90 degree weather (also wading wet). Double DUMB SH.T thing to do. Blew a cast and actually wrapped the last 4-5 foot of leader AROUND my chest and stuck the hook in just above my left nipple.
Damn Glad it was tied on a #10 hook!!! Popped right out without leaving much of a hole in my chest.
One other 'disadvantage' of a spey rod (unless it's really a shorty aka 'switch rod' is fishing 'short.' That gets interesting to say the least.
But the one thing that's always escaped me is why people who 'teach' fly fishing don't teach their 'students' some of the basic spey casts.  A one handed rod doesn't know it's a one handed rod! and will execute the majority of spey casts very well.
No back casting room? Well just do a 'snake roll' or a 'single spiril,' or a circle/snap t. Rod doesn't care.
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Fred's got THIS one right!! Good one, Fred!!!
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Yup, if it wasn't for Fred, I would never have done some spey casts on my one handers. I had always done a roll cast with my summerruns rods. But actually sat down and did one handed spey. Really helped out alot on some slots.
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To spey or not to spey? That is the question.
I agree with almost everything here. The main reason I use a spey rod other then the fact for the rivers I fish it is a better tool, is spey rods are more fun. It is the most enjoyable form of fishing I have done. I love the sight of a well done spey cast. There is something about the loop thrown by a spey rod that to me is far more appealing then one thrown by a single hand rod. There is an ease, a beauty, and a simple gracefulness to fishing with the long rod I have not found in any other form of fishing.
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Kerry, couldn't have said it better. Thumbs up!!
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With a Spey cast, your fly spends more time in the water instead of 9 feet above it. That is it in a nut shell for me.
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Malcolm, this picture of you says it all. Why do you need to do anything but use a double hander? You're doing just fine as you are.
When I make it back to the UK, I'm definitely going to visit you (now that I know I have relatives who live near you, who'd a thunk Prussians immigrating to Scotland? ).
Just to summarize between Kerry and Matt's comments. I enjoy fishing a double hander. I love the feel of that rod loading and shooting all that line, especially when you know you hit the cast perfect (which, I wasn't quite there when the back went out). I did enjoy the fly being in the water longer. Was a great method while fishing the Hoh and SolDuc. Especially on some of the heavily treed slots where I want a long cast from the bank.
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You guys must all be clutz's when casting your rods. I have hooked my wader more times with that stupid Spey rod than I ever did with my single hander. I have too many holes in my wader from all the bad casts. I very seldom get a fly in me with the one hander. Besides I like the one hander more than the Spey rod. I'm like Bob,I like to fish smaller waters. Not because that is all that is around here I just don't like casting that big stick. Some people like them and some don't. I'm one of the ones that don't.
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LOL Jim. I've only hooked myself a couple times. Each time was on severe windgusts that threw the fly into me.
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Oldman, repeating an observation from above here on 'why' you're getting nailed with your fly on your spey rod. If you come through with you forward 'punch' in too vertical a plane (eg: rod tip straight up) you get the 2-handers version of a "tailing loop." This forces the fly line/hook to travel right over your head ... not a good thing!!
On the 'forward cast' your rod tip should be canted slightly off to the side. Only thing that will bring the fly into contact with you then will be an errent gust of wind.
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Hey Fred,right now I'm not worried about it as all I'm using right now is a 9' 5wt. I don't have any problems with that one unless I am getting tired. And then I just tend to dry my flies on the rocks.
I just can't see myself fishing that way. Before I got the spey rod I was using a 9'6" 8wt. Don't have any problems casting that rod with a floating tip or a sink tip. Besides why have to cast that far when everybody says the fish are all close to shore.
And I don't want to hear about the fly being in the water longer. It's in there long enough on any line I seem to use.
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"Besides why have to cast that far when everybody says the fish are all close to shore." Well, truth be told you'll always find a Sage XP710-4 for just that reason. They've kicked the flows up on the Rogue to pull the fish up into the upper river (will start dropping it back down to 900 cfs mid September).
With these flows the fish will usually be holding right at your feet in most places. But, several runs require a VERY long cast to get to the 'seams' and holding water stations.
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For Jim there is no advantage to using a Spey. He does pretty well with his nine footer anyway. And he does like to take the point off his flies behind him.
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Jim must be an iron man being able to false cast those heavy sink tips all day on the single hander, with the spey a few flicks and its done. I don't even sweat anymore while casting or have a sore arm at the end of the day.
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LOL Hal. Just takes practice. Gotta realize, I started flyfishing steelhead when I was around 10-11 throwing heavy sinktips on an old glass rod. I could cast the rod all day back then, and could even up to my injury (but we're talking graphite then, much easier after using glass all those years). But fishing for salmon in the boat I'd use a graphite 9' 10wt with SUPER fast sinktips.
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I did it for 22 years until I converted to the spey which beleive me makes it a lot easier on your body at least for me. I have never had shoulder, arm, or major back problems which the spey casting may be an issue for those people. Guess I have been lucky. I can tell you though when I broke my spey rod last year and had to use the single hander my arm was really sore for two days after throwing the heavy sink tips with it. Nothing like that with the spey rod, at least for me.
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It is easier for the rest of us. Jim just does a lot better with a single hander than some of us with a two hander.
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