RonEagleElk
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Almost everyone I've talked to says to tape the ferrules on the rod because of the amount of torque on the rod when casting. Okay, I've been taping the ferrules using electrical tape. Today, in the freezing rain, the tape wouldn't hold, no matter what. What are you more experienced spey folks using to tape your rods, if anything?
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Duct tape?
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WAX IT!
I've been using spey rods 12 years and I don't tape them I use wax!
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WAX IT!
I've been using spey rods 12 years and I don't tape them I use wax!
Ron, you and Brian are both right .. to a point. Some 'brands' of rods (Sage as a very good example) really do need to be taped (and waxed if you want) when casting sinking tips. The line/grain weight does produce a tremendous amount of twist in the rod. This will either loosen them up ... or lock them together to the point you need to be a Gorilla to get them apart (I'll tell you about my ice cube 'trick' for this later).
And your right, tape won't stick worth a darn if the rods wet. So dry same off and lay a strip of elec. tape UP AND DOWN the connecting points (across from each other) THEN wrap the tape up and down over the ferls.
Tape wise good old 3M 'stretchie' tape is the best. But with so many 'similar rods' around now several of us are using the coloured tape to 'differentiate' one from the other.
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I have to agree with Fred, some of my rods need to be taped. I have tried wax and u40 on the ferrules, but they don't appear to substitute for tape if needed. I just use electricians tape with good success. It doesn't take a lot of tape or time really. It is no fun if your rod comes apart while fishing or you get back to the car and the tip is missing. Both have happened to me.
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Over 200 days a year on river and only useing wax.
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I have never taped my rods and I fish several different brands. Sage, CND, Lochmor and a few others. I have never had the need to tape them and honestly don't understand why others need to. Yes, I have had the end section loosen up a few times but I am very particular about my guides being perfectly lined up and can see by the guides that the section is coming loose. Pretty simple to fix.
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Here is my 2 cents on this.
Fished single handers for 41 years just used paraffin wax on the joints and am like Kerry always watching the ferrule alignment and looseining of the joints etc. Tighten them as necessary on the river.
Been spey fly fishing for 3 years started with the paraffin wax had no problems. Then started reading about the need for tape, tried it along with the wax, it does appear to keep the guides aligned better and the rod sections tight. However its a big pain to put the tape on in the cold dark morning and then to remove if and when I move fishing locations with the car, which I usually do 2-3 times a day.
I cannot fit the 13-14 foot spey rods assembled in my van or SUV.
This is what I am doing now I only tape the upper top part of the 3 piece spey rod once. I leave the bottom ferrule untaped (just waxed) and continually monitor its alignment and fitting. Then we I move my car to another location I only have to disconnect the bottom ferrule and have two rod pieces that will fit in my car with the line still rigged to the fly.
So I am not sure if taping is really needed.
I will say this in 45 years of FF I have only had one rod break on the river while casting. That was a spey rod in 2003 which on the 2nd cast of the day cracked at the bottom ferrule with a rifle shot. I was pulling the fly out of a snag with the rod and really not extremely hard but the it broke.
I had not taped the bottom ferrule that daym, but perhaps I did not tighten and seat the bottom ferrule either properly when I assemled the rod in the parking lot ?
So be very precise in assembling the rod ferrules at the start of the day ensuring they are properly seated and tight.
Recommend using a paraffin wax at least.
Some rod makers have their own wax, I have never tried those.
You want to clean the wax off every so often and make sure it does get any sand/dirt on the rod ferrule.
BG
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RonEagleElk
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Thanks Guys, I'm thinking along BG's lines.
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You see Fred I do say something useful once in a while !
LOL
I am not sold on the need for taping yet. Maybe after I break another spey rod we will see.
BG
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Hal,
Get a rod rest for your car, or make one. I use a ski rack on the front of the roof a a custom job on the bonnet(hood?).The rods then sticks skywards, using both ski racks the rod either sticks out the front and wanders when driving fast or out the back which makes the tip vunrable when lorries(trucks) come up behind.
Sometimes when I tape a rod it stays taped for a month or so. On the Monday morning the gillie usually puts the rod up and tapes it, not the same with you?
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Over 200 days a year on river and only useing wax.
Sigh.... Brian, Brian, Brian ... you have to be able to cast over 40 feet to even consider this being an issue.  
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LOL Fred.
Here's a question along the same lines. Fred may be able to help me on it as well. Been tempted to take my greenheart spey rod out once I'm back on my feet. I know, heard all the horror stories how SLOW they are. Thought it would be fun, at least trying to cast it.
My problem. And Fred should know about this, since I think he's the one who told me about it (may have been off the UK board too). It doesn't have ferrules. I know I was told that traditionally they'd lash the pieces together with wet leather until it dried up and sealed it up. What could I use now? Not sure if tapes a good thing. Rod is in excellent shape, so don't want to put something on it that'll ruin finish. Any suggestions? Or try the black electrical tape?
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Hey Jerry,
Contact Nooksack Mac off the Spey Clave. He had/has some greenheart rods and he will probably know exactly how you should go about setting up those spliced ferrules.
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Thanks Mike, I'll do that. 
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Yeah Fred
I better work on my casting!!
Good one Fred!
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Though not a green heart I have used a Sharpes Cane rod with spliced ferrules and I just taped it with electrical tape. Certainly not a thing to fish with all day
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Hey Jerry,
Contact Nooksack Mac off the Spey Clave. He had/has some greenheart rods and he will probably know exactly how you should go about setting up those spliced ferrules.
Gotta agree with this one; I'm clueless on the answer. BUT you will post same back. My only "wood spey rod" is a 12-13 foot 'cane' spey rod from Norway. Love the beauty of this rod lined with a Hardy Salmon #2 and a DT line.
Do I fish with it? No way in Hell, if I broke same .... Double Sigh!!!
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I need a ghillie to tape my rod thats what I need. LOL
I think this taping thing is a scottish conspiracy to get us to buy use more scotch tape.
BG
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Quote by BG "I need a ghillie to tape my rod thats what I need. LOL
I think this taping thing is a scottish conspiracy to get us to buy use more scotch tape.
That is pretty funny. What you really need is a set of magnetic rod racks. I have some on sale that are priced right, even for your frugal mindset.
http://www.redshedflyshop.com/ENDYEARSPEC.html
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$ 48 US not so frugal, I would get pulled over on the interstate by a trooper for sure out here.
What we really need is a telescopic spey fly rod, which I have raised before:
Telescopic Fly Rod
Such an invention could be a big hit in the spey world if designed properly and priced affordably. No more long rod maneuvers through forest trails or in cars, your house etc..
BG
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$ 48 US not so frugal, I would get pulled over on the interstate by a trooper for sure out here.
BG
Actually ... no. If this is the same rod holders I got from Mike a few months back (should have waited for a year end sale .. paid more that $48 bucks ) they work VERY well.
With the 'fishing ford' the roof racks are far enough apart that I could put a section of foam pipe material over the rack to protect the upper part of the rod and use short bungie cords (ones with the ball connecting the two ends) and it worked very well .. just don't get in the wind draft of a very large truck).
But with the Jeep Liberty the rack spread is just too short, ergo needed to drop the dimes for 'real' rod holders.
My first concern was still rod 'whip,' but zero even passing a truck (you put them on as shown in Mike web site). I've cruised down the freeway at 70 mph with as many as 4 spey rods just fine. Only bit of 'hassle' is it's a very good idea to pop them off (each stand has two heavy duty magnets) for 'security sake.' The world is full of light fingered folks.
Send Mike your credit card number and get on with it if you need rod racks.
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Fred, They are not the same rod racks as you have. I have traveled at 85 mph with two big Sages equipped with Hardy Salmon reels on the models like you have.
The Professor Bodkins only have one larger magnet but they still nicely do the job they were intended for, which is getting to the stream, setting up your rod and then using the rod racks to transport your taped up rod between runs. At $48.00 shipped in the lower 48 they are a very good deal.
I might add, I don't sell stuff I won't use myself. I used a set of the Professor Bodkins for most of last Summer and Fall. Leaving them on the hood day in and day out. My rods stay set up (there's one on the hood right now). I had a 14' spey rod and my son-in-law and grandson single handers on there as well without a problem. They work as advertised.
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Thanks Mike, sounds like I have a '4 rod rack,' and these are a two rod rack ... which account for the lower price.
fae
PS: What the heck are you doing driveing at 85 mph? You don't live in California!! where it appears 'speed limits,' as in New Zeland, are "optional." God I thought the 'I-ties' were nuts behind a wheel, they wouldn't survive a week on the South Island.
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No, I don't live in Calif. but I spent a good part of my life there. "Hi officer, the reason I was traveling down the Clearwater at that speed is my customer in his excitment to try his new tackle left his newly purchased spey reel, line, backing, leader, and flies on the counter".
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And ... tell us Mike ... just how many times has THAT story actually 'worked?'
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I don't know, I've never had to use it. The day in question before I got up to speed I was stuck behind a couple of slower moving cars. While stuck there I observed the state cop pass me going the other direction on his afternoon trip up the river. I normally keep to the posted speed limit but that customer was from Spokane and I didn't want to chase him all the way up there.
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I work for a rod manufacturer.. seen quite a few taped rods come loose and break!! Taping is no substitute for putting the sections together properly and checking them often!!!
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I work for a rod manufacturer.. seen quite a few taped rods come loose and break!! Taping is no substitute for putting the sections together properly and checking them often |
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