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An article from a trout fishing internet acquaintence of mine from another board on spey fly fishing for trout.
Some historical comments from Scotland please Mr. Willie Gunn, I would think the light trout spey rod would be in a full usage in the land of the spey fly rods origin.
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Oh, NO! Hal is thinking about another "love affair"......!!
Don't even THINK about getting me involved THIS time!!
Hey, Jerry and Marty - NIP THIS IN THE BUD!! If he starts, he will be into the sauce again, and it will require at least another server or two, and lots of disk space for all of the mail!! Also, still-wet tear-stained mail might short out some electrical equipment!!!
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Just four more days until the Chicago Fly Fishing show and another encounter with her and perhaps others. Think I may take a picture of me with her this time now that I have a digital camera again. LOL
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Quote by BobK:"Oh, NO! Hal is thinking about another "love affair"......!!"
Well if he gets that old yearning for that size 5 sweety he should visit "Poppy's Spey Rod Dating Service". I have a canidate that is young and fresh that will make his heart beat rapidly as he lovingly fondles her.
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On no here we go again wheres Evans ?
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Does she have a sister?
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Quote by BG:"On no here we go again wheres Evans ?"
No, no, that is all you'll hear from me. You boys will have to take it from here.
Well she does have 2 bigger sisters and 2 bigger brothers staying at my place. She also has a blond cousin that just arrived from Sweden that is "HOT, HOT, HOT"
http://www.redshedflyshop.com/EXPERIENCEDTACKLE.html
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Still kind of high for BG at $ 500 plus shes had some one else touch her already. LOL
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'How do I love thee "5120" ?'
How do I love thee "5120" ? Let me count the ways.
I love thee to the depth and breadth and height
My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight
For the ends of being and ideal grace.
I love thee to the level of every day's
Most quiet need, by sun and candle-light.
I love thee freely, as men strive for right.
I love thee purely, as they turn from praise.
I love thee with the passion put to use
In my old griefs, and with my childhood's faith.
I love thee with a love I seemed to lose
With my lost saints. I love thee with the breath,
Smiles, tears, of all my life; and, if God choose,
I shall but love thee "5120" better after death.
-- Elizabeth Barrett Browning
Yes thas how I feel unrequited love after two years ! LOL
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I WARNED you guys about getting him started!!
DON'T DO IT! He will be into the Merlot again (probably already is, with that dumb poem...)
He has Champagne tastes, but still guzzles Old Milwaukee rotgut because he is so "economically prudent"! 
BTW, that $500 price tag is very good, Redshed!!! Some people are just to cheap to take advantage....
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Actually I don't believe anyone else has touched her. Her birth certificate is still blank and yes, the price is very right. Her Swedish cousin is also untouched except for prancing across the grass.
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Some historical comments from Scotland please Mr. Willie Gunn, I would think the light trout spey rod would be in a full usage in the land of the spey fly rods origin.
BG
There is only 1 fish in Scotland........Salmon
The rest are just predators for baby salmon.
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Hal, don't know if Mike (Redshed) still has one but the Temple Fork 12-6 for 6wt is a LOVELY light spey rod .. and a hell of a lot less expensive!!
I've cast both rods frequently (Sage vs. TF) and ALL things considered, I'll take the TF .. at 1/3'rd the cost.
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I still have some,$250.00 shipped to his door. These rods are a real bargain. The 12'6"-8wt is a good one also. If he were to buy either I'd predict his St Croix and that Vermont rod would be left in the closet.
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The young law student that wrote this "Trout Spey" article called the TFO 12-6 ft 6 wt, "a fairy wand" on another board I frequent. He has been trying to test all of the light trout spey rods. Here is what he had to say about two TFO speys he has tested.
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I am currently demoing two TFO speys, the 15' #10 and the 12'6" #6. The 15'er is a cannon, I have overhead cast it 150'. The 12'6" is a little fairy wand of a rod, a little underloaded with my Windcutter 5/6 in all likelihood. Terrific overhead rod, would be a great boat stick.
I haven't tried them for dryfly fishing for trout yet except using the dry as an indicator. It wasn't very pleasant, and I too would stick to one handers. I love the spey for what I love it for, and since I do 95% nymph fishing I have no reason to worry about it.
I looked at a TFO my local fly shop owner has two weeks ago, forget which model it was a trout rod, BG was not real impressed. Of course when comparing to the Mercedes Bens - Sage 5120 its like comparing a movie star model to well you know where I am going with this...
I am sinning I know breaking one of the ten FF commandments
"Thou shall not covet they neighbor's 5120"
An lust and agony continues two years later. Sage should just give me one for all the free advertizing I have given this rod in the last two years.
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And you think that a "young law student" has credibility??
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Actually, the young law student does have some credibility. I have been following his posts for several years. The young law student is just that. He doesn't have a lot of test lines to play around with. He would like that little TFO much better were he to line it with a Delta or Delta Long 6/7 or some other manufacturer's equivalent.
The young law student's favorite two hand trout rod so far
is the CND Expert 1306. It is also a fairy wand and for me a delight to fish. I have a customer fishing the Expert 1306 on the same waters as the young law student and he is grease lining trout as far away as 90'.
Quote by BG:"Of course when comparing to the Mercedes Bens - Sage 5120 its like comparing a movie star model to well you know where I am going with this...
Sometimes the "girl next door" or the "trailer park trash" for that matter is 10 times hotter then the starlet.
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The spey abyss now enters "trout spey world" a whole new dilemna to confront. This is the big growth area for spey fly rods in US freshwater I beleive. On the few trout boards I frequent these fellows don't have a clue what spey rods and fishing are for the most part.
Hey Willie Gunn, I see Scotland has world class trout fishing in the newest fly fishing book to my library but no special mention for atlantic salmon fishing, that was reserved for Norway, Iceland, and Eastern Canada. But then again beleive this book was written 5 years ago when salmon runs were down compared to today.
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Quote by BG:"The spey abyss now enters "trout spey world" a whole new dilemna to confront."
BG, In my view there is no real "spey abyss" for anyone willing to do a minimal amount of research and then pay attention to what is actually being said. With the great amount of info available on the web finding two hand tackle that works is as hard or as easy as anyone wants to make it.
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You mean we can actually believe what we read on world wide web discussion boards where most everyone is an anonymous identity to us ? LOL
I think I have seen one reputable fly fishing magazine article on trout spey rod fly fishing to date, it was last summer.
The Book - by Mr. Gawesworth barely touches trout fishing with the spey but it is a casting book that can be used for all types of spey fishing.
Looking forward to future technical articles from the spey experts soon.
Perhaps Mr. Evans with his new trout spey and abundant retirement time to spend on the river will come through for us along with Zach M. ?
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Myself, trout spey fishing is WAY overkill. BUT, should say this, most of the rivers I used to fish them (or have thought about fishing them again) are extremely small creeks/rivers. Rivers where you come in low and just flip the line out most of the time. So for my purposes, would be a waste for "me". I could see those who fish lakes (talk about hitting that fish rising far out you couldn't reach before) or bigger rivers, I could see there benefits.
Myself, on the whole "spey" thing. They are a simple tool in my arsenal. I won't ever be a pure "spey" fisherman. Why? Because I fish alot of different ways. If I'm in a driftboat or a jetsled running a river, a spey rod is WAY overkill. Now, when I'm being a bankmaggot, the spey rod comes out. I do carry them in the boats, but usually for those stretches where we all get out and fish.
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BG I wouldn't think I'd find the kind of remarks you made above from someone that spends the time on fly fishing BB that you do. Just because info is in printed form doesn't make it any more valuable and sometimes it's less valuable then what you can find on the fly fishing BBs.
As I said above for a person that is interested in doing a little searching, reading between the lines some and "paying attention" (this is a key phrase) there is no real shortage of free info that would lead anyone to think there is a "spey abyss". Trout fishing is trout fishing. A two hander only lets a person be more versitle. Even though it would seem to be made that way by some of my friends on other BBs spey fishing doesn't have to be rocket science.
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Redshed is right. The human mind tends to overcomplicate even the simplest item. All you have to do is net it down to its simplest terms.
Redshed (and others) have enough experience to give a couple of line recommendations for every rod they handle and sell. That seems to to be the crux of the problem of "spey abyss".
Jerry is right, too. Spey technique is simply a tool in the flyfisher's arsenal, and not a magic bullet. They are the right tool in some conditions, and the wrong tool in others - i.e. Fred's request for info on a standard 3-wt. rod for small streams.
Where I mostly fish, the Spey is definite overkill. But for other streams, it is ideal.
I guess maturity teaches us this - at least MOST of us. But there are always some that try to push our favorite technique into every situation, and that makes the "abyss" even deeper.
A trout spey would be a good choice for NY fishing on the Delaware, West Branch, Black River, and others. Outside of NY, it would be pretty good on the Yellowstone, some sections of the Madison, Green River (below the gorge), etc.
But on the Beaverkill, Oriskany, Fish Creek and many others, it would be a poor choice, and a standard fly rod would be a better choice. These smaller streams don't need distance casting, just a simple but necessary fine leader, short, accurate cast, and drag-free presentation.
Is catching large steelies a better experience and does it build more character than a four-inch sunfish on a popper? Well, THAT is doubtful. Ask the kid learning to flyfish on a pond, and having a ball catching little sunnies! The simple answer is an emphatic "NO"!
So, we're not so exclusive. We just make it "extra-complicated" so there is some fancy "mystique" to our sport. What we are supposed to be doing when fishing for recreation is really tossing away our maturity, forgetting the problems of the world, and like the kid catching sunfish, just have FUN!
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I either own (2) or have extensively cast two other 'trout speys. One was one of Meis' 'switch rods,' the other being the CND 1306 mentioned above by Mike.
Of the two I own, one is a 11-6 'switch rod' which simply means you can one or two hand the rod. The Temp. Fork at 12-6 is a 'true' spey rod; for small streams this rod, as light as it is, would/could be total over kill. Not so for the 'switch rod' as it can be used as you want. But, again, for small streams any rod at 11-6 is over kill.
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Well, I say "THERE IS NO SPEY ABYSS". I would also say BG should be able to think whatever he wants about this subject. Anyone who has been following his writings under his various screen names for the last few years knows that he has used the "spey abyss" term in one form or another for a long time. In my mind or what's left of it, that term has become his "trademark". All that is fine as I know it's not all that hard today to match tackle that works. My problem with the term is when a new spey caster stumbles upon this site and reads BG's writing they might go "OH MY GOD, I'D NEVER BE ABLE TO DO THAT", which is nonsense. In my experience a lot of people do not listen, which is fine for the experimenters. That also sells a lot of lines and creates unhappy customers. Simon's line recommendations have been around for several years. For anyone that needs to read them they are right on the money. The worst thing about them is in the instructions he used the words "beginning caster" when describing the "B" designation. Those two words have caused most of the problems with matching lines to rods. No one wants to be known as a beginning caster. I am not saying that is all that is needed but for people that aren't proficient at spey casting a "B" line and some help from an instructor or a proficient friend will get a person on the right track in fairly short order. After some lessons or help the next thing is about 3 yrs of practice, practice, practice. No one wants to do this. We want to fish. It is not the same thing. I am just as guilty of this as anyone. I am not a good spey caster but I got a lot better when I started going to the river, standing in one spot and casting with no fishing. I was amazed at the improvement. There are a lot of shops out there (even close to the Great Lakes) that talk spey and can sell a person "tackle that works". Why spend your money anywhere else?
As to the 4" sunfish. I dearly love them and I love catching them using that little popper or even a red and white bobber and a worm.
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I handled a 11' Winston yesterday, I going to start saving my money for one. That baby is light, 5 oz. That would be great with a two pound spey reel, right?
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Quote by Verne:"That would be great with a two pound spey reel, right?"
It works for me if it works for you.
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Well nothing major new on spey topics at the Chicago Fly Show this weekend other than a couple of the usual manufacturer rods, Sage, TFO, T+T, no CND attendence. Simon Gawesworth cancelled so nothing from him or any body else on spey that saw.
Talked to the midwest Sage rep while I was gently handling Ms 5120. He said this is a highly specialized rod and he would be glad to send it to my local fly shop for a weekend pilot test if I like. My local shop carrys some Sa |
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