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Thats a 7/8/9 Rio WC line on a 13 foot spey rod, you see the head and running line connection at the bottom of the picture where the darker green and thinner running line connects.
This line has a 55 foot head per Rio specs, I have maybe cut off a foot of it to date, so that leaves a 54 foot head, subtract the 13 foot length of the rod that means I am fishing in this picture about 41 feet of line which to me is the maximum effective range that I can effectivel mend a fly into the target locations and may be able to hook a fish should one take the fly.
I don't see what all the hullabaloo is about making long spey casts its all about effective presentation of the fly to catch fish not how far you can cast a spey line.
A longer spey rod will make mending a longer cast easier but I don't see the reaction time of you setting the hook to a fly a long distance way as being very effective in hooking a fish.
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I think you are grossly cheating yourself on your fishable water. #1, You could have the junction of the head/running line 6" inside the rod tip and still mend in the manner you describe. #2, based on the picture you appear to be swinging flies. For me one initial mend is all I would make and I believe that can easily be done by tensioning the running line just after the head hits the water.
Having said the above I will tell you that if you are satisfied with the way you are fishing then you should fish that way but if that were the case you most likely would not be asking for our opinions.
Also a change to a mid lenth line, as in Snowbee 2-D, Delta Long, or MidSpey would add 10' fishable feet to your method without changing anything else. I would still say you were cheating yourself
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Well to add a bit to Mike's comments above, the main (personal issue) with short head lines is they're a pain in the bottom to mend. Somewhat of an exception is doing a 'air mend' just after you do the 'stop' on the forward cast. This will get you somewhere, but not too far.
Just back from the North Umpqua and 'enriched' Joe Howell by purchasing double taper lines to 'replace' the (relitively) short head WF's I was using. Problem was, fishing 'on the swing' was bringing nothing to the party as you had to make some pretty long casts .. but then couldn't mend. Same situation using the XLT lines; long casts/long mends ... easy. Make that 'short and short' and you're out of luck with that line.
So what was the mid ground for med-long casts that would mend well and allow me to fish 'dead drift?' Back to the good old double taper line(s). With the exception of very long casts (over 80 feet) the double taper lines worked just as well and brough everything back to the party.
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I am a bit perplexed. My favorite rod is 12'4". It is lined with a home made Skagit style line with the belly section of 22'14 weight and 155 grain 15' tips. My running line is 100' of .030. My average cast is around 80'. I am able to mend most of the 80' of line as long as I do so soon after the cast has been made. Once the tip has sunk mending is more difficult but I am still able to throw enough of a mend in to it to control the swing if needed.
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An "effective" cast puts it in front of a pod of feeding fish, whether they are 5 feet away, or much, much farther. The secret is being able to control the line, by mending, lifting the rod, high-sticking, retrieving, or feeding line to a directly-downstream fish, all to give a natural and drag-free presentation to the fish.
We all have our limitations (distance, depth, equipment, etc.) to where we can effectively do this.
If you find fish that are beyond this distance, they are worth a cast or two, but you may just put them down, and are really better off either wading closer and "stalking", or if this is impossible, looking for another pod of active fish.
That's part of Chapter 1 of the basics. And we all have our limitations.
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Fred I'm curious to know how much of that double taper you had beyond the rod tip on your average cast?
BobK in the scenario you are describing above, are you talking about "sight fishing"? I understand we are all fishing on different size water with different amounts of clarity, which sometimes confuses the answers.
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Fred I'm curious to know how much of that double taper you had beyond the rod tip on your average cast?
BobK in the scenario you are describing above, are you talking about "sight fishing"? I understand we are all fishing on different size water with different amounts of clarity, which sometimes confuses the answers.
Mike the DT7 is a 90 foot line; on several occations (13'6" sage) the connecting knot to the backing was all that was left on the reel. General leader length ranged from 13 to 15 feet. That said, the majority of the casts were probably between 40 and 60 feet including leader/fly.
Correct on your def. of 'sight fishing.' The reason the DT is still an effective line is that you can fish short or long, swing or dead drift same, and 'mend' as often as necessary (folks, imho, tend to mend far to much and with too much force-pulls fly up towards the surface).
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Howdy Fred, I don't see anything wrong with fishing a DT line but for fishing up to say 60' or so of "LINE" beyond the rod tip I don't see what a DT will do that a Delta Long won't.
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Fred's got THAT right!
Actually, isn't all our fishing "sight fishing"?? You try to get your line through fish-holding water, where the water "looks" right, or in areas where we have taken fish before.
And, many times, as often as not, you just may be "standing where you should be fishing"!
Something to think about....
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Howdy Fred, I don't see anything wrong with fishing a DT line but for fishing up to say 60' or so of "LINE" beyond the rod tip I don't see what a DT will do that a Delta Long won't.
Exactly, the Delta Long has a very long head on it vis a vis the Windcutter's and others.
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I am always fishing shorter line lengths nothing longer than 50-60 feet I would say 90% of the time, our rivers here hardly ever require a longer cast than that. The river above is an exception its very wide in most sections but very wadeable most of the time which allows you to postion yourself to cast effectively with out having to do long casts over 60 feet.
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Hal, that said ... slap on one of your single hander DT lines of appropriate weight ... I think you may like the results better than with a WF line design.
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Again, with 50' of line beyond the rod tip what can you do with a DT that you can't do with the line he is already using?
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I guess the automatic response to the question is "make a 10 or 20-foot cast."
That's the problem much of the time. It's a problem I LIKE to have!
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Again, with 50' of line beyond the rod tip what can you do with a DT that you can't do with the line he is already using?
Actually Mike it's not that hard to put a whole 90' feet of DT line (plus leader) off the rod. Backing off for the length of the rod, your at 75-80 feet plus leader length 'off the rod tip.'
Had to do this several times on the NU last week ... but you can still mend .. more than once. 
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Quote by BobK:"I guess the automatic response to the question is "make a 10 or 20-foot cast."
It might be the automatic response but I don't believe it is a valid one. I do not believe it is any harder to make a 20' cast off the tip with with 7' of Hal's WC then with 7'of Fred's DT. The 7' number comes if Hal or whoever were using a 13' leader which is about right for his 13' rod. For a 10' cast there would be no line beyound the rod tip so it doesn't matter if it is a DT or WF. In fact I spent well over an hour last evening making casts with a #4 fly, 12' leader and 3' to 8' of line outside the rod tip. The thing was turning over like a dream and lightly dropping that fly right in the seam. I was using a Skagit line.
Quote by FAE:"Hal, that said ... slap on one of your single hander DT lines of appropriate weight ... I think you may like the results better than with a WF line design.
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He may like the results better, but maybe not. Fred I don't have a problem with the DT but I just don't agree with the above statment. In fact @ 90' that DT is nothing more then a WF with no running line.
Above you said that "the majority of the casts were probably between 40 and 60 feet including leader/fly." At these distances I see no advantage with the DT over a WC, Delta Long, or even a skagit line no matter how much mending you want to do.
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No, Redshed - I don't want to start an argument.
But hereabouts, all too often you have NICE fish working or lying - and close. When you have 50 feet of line out, you'd darn well strip some in to make that 20 foot cast!!
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Yo BobK,
Why are you talking about an argument? My point is that when stripping in that 50' of line to make that 20' cast it matters not if it is a DT or a WC which is what I thought this thread was about.
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To a large degree (IMHO) you're both right. My 'vision' is that at casts/mends in medium/longish ranges (not short)the DT line still has the 'bulk' to do a better job of line minding (upstream, stack mend, etc.)than a (relatively) short head line. Longer headed WF's can be mended at quite some distances, as can an extended "belly" line like the XLT.
Any/all line configs. have their pluses/minuses ergo why I usually carry three rods.
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In my experience the short double tapers you mentioned don't match up well as to line size for spey rods, also you are only working with about a 60' belly on a 90' line, less on a 82'. I tried a 9 wt DT., that wouldn't even cast on a honest 7 wt. spey rod.
Usually mending isn't that hard, IMHO, most people mend too much, or cast too far downstream to avoid mending.
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In my experience the short double tapers you mentioned don't match up well as to line size for spey rods, also you are only working with about a 60' belly on a 90' line, less on a 82'. I tried a 9 wt DT., that wouldn't even cast on a honest 7 wt. spey rod.
Usually mending isn't that hard, IMHO, most people mend too much, or cast too far downstream to avoid mending.
Good point as most spey lines/rods have ZERO cross reference to each other (at least up until a couple of months ago). But there are some very good one on ones. The rod/line I was using was a Sage 7136-4 and a Cortland 444 7wt DT.
Also tried the rod with an 8st DT and the line 'over grained' the rod.
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I think my dt 9 wt. was a orvis, it was too light to cast on my 7wt orvis which uses a 6/7/8 windcutter, although oddly it cast ok on a 9wt. one handed rod. I tried shortening the end and everything. I am thinking of trying some dt lines for my spey rods, but am a little leary of the shorter ones. I don't especially enjoy stripping line every cast, and they would certainly fish in the 60-70' range I usually fish.
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Good point Verne; exactly (remember this was a 10 and a half day trip on the North Umqua) that go me into Joe Howell's shop. (Joan just told me that between the three 'short stops,' I dropped close to $400 BUCKS!
Rather surprised she didn't come un-glued.
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Speaking of spending money, I bought a Loop adpted spey line on line. When it came looks like a mid spey upgrade about 35' long. Does anyone know how to use it?
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I had a set of the Loop Adapted lines and I thought they cast very well. You will need some running line to go behind it. I just cast mine like I do a Delta/WC.
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Thanks for the info. Do you need to add a tip or no?
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I did use both poly floating and sinking leaders and also I used a tapered mono leader as long as the rod.
An adapted line is just a fancy name for a shooting head. The therory was if you bought as an example 8/9 Loop rod you would then buy an 8/9 adapted line and it would match perfectly. Taking in to consideration the differences in people's casting styles and abilities the system works pretty good.
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The only spey cast length which matters is the one which gives you "The Perfect Drift" for the current seam,pool, run etc you are currently fishing.
BTW, theres a race horse with the name "Perfect Drift" that raced here in Chicago this weekend. I thought of using this name as a screen id too but have not to date, it would be a good one though.
Forget about all those long spey casting stuff, its a tool to deliver "The Perfect Drift" not the longest possible cast IMHO
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Well, finally learning, BG!
Fish to the whole river and the lies - whether they are across the river, or close at hand!
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Yep this distance casting is a bunch of you know what, last time out I decided let me try a long cast with the streamer into this beautiful deep bridge pool, well I made the cast and first time threw had a nice big strike but missed it due to too much line about out and it was moving in the fast water.
Shorter and controlled casts are much better than longer period.
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Quote by BG:"Yep this distance casting is a bunch of you know what"
BG, What amount of line beyond the rod tip do you consider to be distance casting?
I know several anglers that consistly hook steelhead on the Clearwater with 100' of line beyond the rod tip.
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"I know several anglers that consistly hook steelhead on the Clearwater with 100' of line beyond the rod tip."
I consider long anything over 30 yards so thats long to me. God bless them but how many do they miss or even have an indication they have missed one with that long a line out ?
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Quote by BG:"but how many do they miss or even have an indication they have missed one with that long a line out ?"
I'm sure they must miss some, but I have no idea how many if any they miss. I've never known any of them to really be counting or to really think that the numbers mattered. I would seem to me that most people concerned with the numbers give up on chrome eventually.
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It is kinda strange how physics work.. When you have a 100 ft of fly line out, one would think that they would have soo much slack that they couldn't ever manage their line. Quite the contrary: When you have moving water, the current does a fine job of keeping your string taught!
Generally when you are out that far and you get a tug, fish 9 out of 10 times will hook themselves. You can actually fool around and try to find the reel handle or some other calamity, and the river current will keep your string tight.
When in doubt: Don't fight your instincs!
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Hmm interesting topic.
100' of line out at anything more than a 45degree angle is gonna make your fly go extremely fast, almost a whipping action.
100' of line out in a river with a current that is the same speed all 100' might work, but in most river systems, there are little bits of water that are faster flowing than other bits. Good luck trying to control the fly and what it is doing.
Now the steeper the angle (more and more closer to 0 degrees) the slower the fly and more the control you have. You might only be casting out 15' but still have 100' of line out to get to that 15' mark. For this reason...Hallelujah Mr. Spey Rod.
The only downside to this is if you want your fly to get down. The fly isn't going to have time to get down, on a steep angle, unless you keep 10 or so feet in your hand and when you cast the steep angle, drop the 10 feet of line and let it sink; otherwise, your fly is right on top. I guess where there is a will there is a way.
I personally, on all the fish I have hooked, and landed on my Spey rod, have all been within 60' of line. On my windcutter line I have the mint section within my guides. I just like the mending control and not having to strip in a ton of line before I cast.
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Can I cast a long way? Yup, but 90+ per cent of the fish I've hooked were with in 30'ish feet of the bank. Problem with really long casts (as noted above) is you're in/out of the potentional holding water in a matter of seconds.
Fly had better be a chunk of weight just to get down/do it's job before you're in/out. Just my .02 cents here.
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Since I don't fish very wide rivers its not an issue for me but to tell the truth I don't think I have ever hooked a steelhead on anything over 70-80 feet in length.
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Quote by BG:"Since I don't fish very wide rivers its not an issue for me."
The river at the top of this thread looked pretty wide to me.
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Good point Mike, but the photo's suggested 'wide, but not deep.'
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That's the problem with many of the Great Lakes streams and rivers. They may be wide, but most can be easily waded across without getting much more than your shoes wet, except for the channels. Hence, careful wading and short, accurate casts upstream, usually to visible fish, are the norm.
There are only a few rivers I can think of where I usually take my two-hander to, and those are a long drive, and usually very crowded with "sportsmen" of "questionable ethics", and snagging, lifting, lining, and every other illegal technique seems to be the standard practice.
So I stick to my smaller rivers and streams.
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The river above is one of the widest out here similar to western river, so its not the typical river width we fish, plus this river is easy wading many shallow riffles which enable the wader to position themselves close to the holding areas etc and long casts are not needed most of the time.
Check out Peter S-C's long recent post over on the Spey Clave stating its about fly presentation not long casts so why are we always talking about long casts etc... He gets it for sure. Good post by Peter have to get back to lurk and see the responses.
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Black Ghost, I havn't read or know where the post about presentation is, but you hit it.
Presentation is everything in my book. When I look at steelhead books, articles, etc. if the author doesn't spend time on presentation, I'm not sure the author "gets it" either.
Sometimes a longer cast will make a better presentation, but most of the time I don't think it does, (as I mentioned in above post).
Presentation is hands down the foundation to all Steelheading with a fly. After that, mabye flies and strike triggers/materials in the fly, but for the most part, I feel it's all about the presentation.
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Any "effective" cast with any rod is that cast which presents the fly to the fish at such depth of water and in such a manner where we feel the fish may be tempted to bite the fly.
That's a mouthful. Sometimes the fly may be retrieved, sometimes drifted "drag free", sometimes it may be on the surface (retrieved or drag-free), sometimes requiring judicious "mending", etc. Sometimes the right depth is on the surface, or any depth, all the way to "bottom bouncing".
In addition, sometimes the fish may be 5 feet away, in midstream lies, or clear across the river. But experience tells ut to "read the river" and recognize the lies.
That's why all the controversy in this post.
That being said, maybe we ought to ask the question a different way - something like a 2-part question that asks, "1. What is the longest length of line you can spey cast, and still present to the fish effectively? 2. What equipment and techniques do you use to accomplish this?"
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Well said Bobk !
 
I am keeping my casts shorter and controlled though no matter what anybody says about longer casts.
Set in my old FF ways I guess. Maybe I will not get
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"Well life is short, enjoy the ride" so I say believe what you want and by all means fish how you want. Just know that if you come to the Clearwater, being able to cast 100' of line past the rod tip is not a disadvantage.
I have two long belly "master blasters" demoing at the Clearwater clave in Sept, 2005. If you think these guys can't consistently catch fish at distances exceding 100' you will be wrong. "Peace and Love from the left bank".
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Redshed, that's GREAT! And I believe you, and don't have a problem with that. It's just these Great Lakes tribs. They are just too small (with a couple of exceptions) to really use a two-hander to good advantage. Wish I lived out that way.
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Where I fish most, the river, is wide with an even current over a cobblestone bottom. It is about the size of the Clearwater. The fish can be lying anywhere, even behind you if you wade very deep. You could cast 200'and not reach the far bank. I have watched a lot of spey casters with varying ability, from ugh to wow, fish this water and none cast more than 70/80' of line.
I can cast over 100' of line in practice on a lake or park, but I have trouble doublespeying more than 80' or so on the river actually fishing.
I personally think there are more long casts on the spey forums than on the rivers.
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I personally think there are more long casts on the spey forums than on the rivers.
"In real life" I think this covers 'it' very nicely. Good Go Guy!
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My point is not that you have to cast long to catch fish, quite the contrary. I myself can't cast 100' of line past the tip, I wish I could. However there are some posts in this thread that make it sound as if fish can not be caught at those long distances or that at the very least that it's a crap shoot with only "so-so" results. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Fred, You have Way and Steve to your event every year. They are both "BIG line boys". Do you think they just learned to boom it way out there (no pun intended) just for the Hell of it? I am well aware that they both like throwing a long line for pleasure but they have both spent a great deal of time perfecting the art of throwing a long line. I believe when they embarked on learning to be long line casters they did so as a means "to fish" more effectively.
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Mike, I grant your point .. as it's probably more than true. Both of these fellows are Masters of Line Control .. after the "BOOMERS."
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Fred, you got THAT right!! I guess that's the "secret", no matter how far you have to cast!
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Anyone let out 100ft of line and let it dangle in the current?
Try pulling that line up or through the water...a lot of friction. Would be very tough hook set for fish on the other end. I guess I would have to see someone have good line control and make a proper presentation at 100'+, because the physics of it just seem damn near impossible. Any video's of someone doing it... Not the cast, the presentation, after the cast.
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Plus with the heavy sink tips I fish with most of the year for steelhead and salmon its ugly and difficult to set the hook on a long cast.
The advantage to being able to cast longer is when on a wide river you can reach and penetrate holding lies that perhaps other fly anglers cannot reach. Not the case out here most of the time as the rivers are not like those big wide western waters.
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Anyone let out 100ft of line and let it dangle in the current?
Try pulling that line up or through the water...a lot of friction. Would be very tough hook set for fish on the other end. I guess I would have to see someone have good line control and make a proper presentation at 100'+, because the physics of it just seem damn near impossible. Any video's of someone doing it... Not the cast, the presentation, after the cast.
Tall
Well not as hard as it may seem. Do have film of Way and Steve 'demoing' how they do that at the end of one of the Charity Clinics. Couple of things are necessary: a long headed line like the XLT or Carron (105 to 115'ish feet to the beginning of the running line); the second is a rod of 15 or more feet in length.
Major part (inho) of making really long casts, and fishing same, is the heighth of the rod tip above the water. Longer rod, higher off the water, long head line .. the longer out you can mend/control your fly.
As an example (an easy one to test yourself) is (same rod/line) how far can you consistently cast if you're up to your waist in water/up to your knees/standing at the edge of the water? 'Common thought' is for each additional foot above water the rod tip is, you can/could add about 10' to your cast length. For me it's actually about 5-6 foot, but I'm a so-so caster beyond 90 feet. But there are very few places I need to cast farther to get to the holding water.
Then I'm back into the 'how long will your fly actually be swinging through the place?'
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Quote by Tall:"Anyone let out 100ft of line and let it dangle in the current?
Try pulling that line up or through the water...a lot of friction. Would be very tough hook set for fish on the other end. I guess I would have to see someone have good line"
Quote by BG:"Plus with the heavy sink tips I fish with most of the year for steelhead and salmon its ugly and difficult to set the hook on a long cast."
Have either of you read Trey Combs book "Steelhead Fly Fishing and Flies"? NOT the book often referred to as "the steelheader's Bible" but a previous work on steelhead fly fishing. The copy I have is hardback and is green, copyright 1976.
On page 50 and 51 Harry Lemire (a legend amoung NW fly angling steelheaders) discusses making and fishing his running line.
I quote in part,"To summarize, we have a shooting head in which the front portion sinks quickly, and the back portion floats. Then we have a lightweight running line to be used with a stripping basket, that floats high on the water, is easy to mend, and feed, allowing ample time for the fly to reach it's maximum depth. Try a line like this, and I'll guarantee that you'll feel the effectiveness of it the first time afield. Can you imagine a 100' drag free drift? All you have to remember is to make the cast, mend the floating tail into an upstream position, feed the line through the drift, and every once in a while mend the running line to keep it straight to the shooting head."
While at this point Harry Lemire was not using a two hander he is still fishing a long ways out with apparently none of the negitive aspects noted in Tall's or BG's posts.
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My experience indicates that steelhead tend to hook themselves on the swing, but not on dead drift or hangdown. I don't think that distance matters as much on a swung fly.
It appears most people cast the distance they can cast with comfort, consistancy and repeatability where there is endless river and no particular targets.
Sure if I see an active fish I will pop my wader seams trying to reach it.
Most of you have spey cast more than I have, but it concerns me when these forums often indicate that someone could spey cast like an angel if they only found the right rod. I don't think there is any shortcut to instruction and practice.
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"Have either of you read Trey Combs book "Steelhead Fly Fishing and Flies"? NOT the book often referred to as "the steelheader's Bible" but a previous work on steelhead fly fishing. The copy I have is hardback and is green, copyright 1976."
Yep, I have had that book since 1980 and also have the other two T. Comb books on steelhead. That book was my initial steelheading bible as there was only one GLs book on steelhead at that time. The cover is falling off of mine now as it has been read many times. More than the Coombs later book or the bible which I BTW do not agree with but thats another subject.
I am not an advocate of long distance fly casting and being able to consistently hook fish. Guess I would have to see it done consistently to believe it. But I do beleive Harry Lemire can do it one of the PNW old masters.
I will stick with my short controlled casts and drifts. I wonder what Mr Kelson would think of all this ?
George Kelson
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I will happily fish behind you as I know with my 120ft casts I will pick up all the fish you are missing.
longer and controlled casts are much better than shorter fullstop.
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I will happily fish behind you as I know with my 120ft casts I will pick up all the fish you are missing.
longer and controlled casts are much better than shorter fullstop.
If you've seen how Willie can handle a 2-hander ... this doesn't sound like 'braggogto' to me. I've watched Malcolm flip-roll a 75 foot full sinking head out of the water and chuck it to well beyond 100'.
Also saw Willie hook a drift boat anchor line on one of these and drag the guy INTO THE BEACH to get his fly back!!!!
Must be something with him being a Scot ... waste not, want not.
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Last year a person fishing behind me with clever little spey? casts that fell in a heap about 30' out caught a nice steelhead, while I caught none with my beautiful casts.
The Scots must know something, my Daiwa Jim Love Special is the easiest rod I have to distance cast.
I see that I have been upgraded to a "humpy" flattering at my age.
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Think that's bad? I watch my weight and I'm considered to be a "thick tail." Try telling that one to a lady!
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Oh happy day. I have finally become a "steelie". You can put a smilie face here.
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