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I'm one now using all seasons for salmon and steelhead fly fishing in the GLs.
Spey fly fishing is just catching on out here. In the last 15 months of fly fishing out here I have not seen another spey fisherman yet on the rivers I fish. I am excluding a spey clave I went to in Michigan in April where all 20-30 of the GLs fly fishers showed. Well there must be more than that but there are not many out here yet.
People ask me what is the long rod you have ?
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I'm one. In process of having to sell mine off thanks to my injury.  But, will rebuild my fleet after I'm back to work. But, great rods to use on some of the brushy OP streams here.
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I use a 14' 6" 10/11 wt built by Marty, love that stick. still learning, but it's a hell of a lot easier to spey cast than try and roll cast the distances sometimes needed here, especially since I'm a bankie and there's a heck of a lot of brush here on the OP as Jerry mentioned  the heavy line also helps me lob these big ol' weighted bunny leeches I like to use without a huge amount of effort. for those who are thinking of getting one, but are weary of all the weight, don't worry about it. They are very efficient rods, and I actually find that my arms are much less tired after a day of spey rodding than using a one handed rod. you basically let the rod do all the work for you
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I just do a modified spey cast from my one hander, 9'6" is all i need to get it there for most of the rivers i fish...
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Casting is one thing, Mending is another.
I can cast no problem using a modified spey line and cast. Mending on the other hand is where the BIG advantage is!! With the Long rod you have more control of your line and are able to slow down the presentation of your fly by lowering the fly down into water easier, and by being able to mend out line after the first cast.
I have always been a one handed guy, I'm looking serious into a two handed rod just for the mending and slower presentation purposes.
Talked to a guy who warks at Lamiglass. They are coming out with a new rod that will be a great spey rod and pretty cheap. If not, I'm looking into a scott or St. Croix. Don't know yet.
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With little exception I'm a 2-hander almost exclusely. Last count was 11 spey rods of different lengths/line wts. Much of the top 60 miles of the Rogue River (also the Chetco on the sw Oregon coast) lends it's self very well to this type of equipment.
Also, when the spring kings are running (now, and at 25,000 fish through the counter) you can fish these rods along with the folks flipping 1-2 oz. of lead off of drift gear. Try that with a one hander and you'll raise more than 'eye brows' from the other fishermen.
As noted above line control at long distances is one of the major features of spey rods. With a 15''stick' you can mend line out as far as most folks can cast a one hander.
I had the opportunity to cast the Lamiglas rod TFG mentions above at the Sandy River Spey 'Clave and it was a true delight. Suspect strongly that it will become #12 when they become available.
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I have the St Croix 13 footer 7/8 weight which is a great all around spey rod for the GLs for salmon and steelhead.
Yes you can cast farther with the spey rod but my rivers are not that wide for the most part. Therefore the really big advantage is the enhanced mending ability of the longer spey rod. I fish with a sink tip most of the time and nymphs or bunny type leeches which are weighted. Its amazing how much deeper you can get them into the drifts without using split shot.
Its the way to go, I have only been using it for 16 months now but I am totally sold on it.
I guess I must be when I did try and use one of my beloved single handers last month I could not stopping grabbing it with two hands and single hand casting felt strange.
Highly recommend it.
Also after you get use to it as some one else said in this thread you are not as tired at the end of the day from all of that false casting with a single hander.
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So, they were good huh? I know they had some at the Seattle Sportsman show and I know quite a few of the guys liked them, and seemed to cast nicely as well. May have to look into them. Just about to sell off my LAST spey rod , in fact, last two fly rods total. Only will have one 8wt left. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH. This SUCKS!!!!!!!!!
Sorry to rant. Killing me selling off all my gear. Now, I may even look into selling off my vintage glass driftrods and my old ABU's. Sacriledge I tell you.
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Will have to check out the Lamiglass ?
The magic word was mentioned "CHEAP"
Fred knows all about this I call it "economic prudence"
Why spend 500-700 for spey rod when you can get one for under 400 and maybe under 300.
Although I have to say those Sages are really nice !! and so are their price tags at 600-700.
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Well the spey rod that Lamiglas is coming out with is suppose to be between 150-200 bucks. My jaw dropped, especially after he told me it received good reviews from some of the "pros"
Not sure when it will hit the market though.
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Wow thats really cheap, the St Croixs start at $ 240 and are a good rod for the money. Thanks for the heads up on the Lamiglas
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Well, I saw them, they are actually nice looking as well. Didn't actually hold one, but saw one. Booth I was working at was at the end of the casting pool. They were EASILY nailing casts where the flies were falling into our booth. Pretty good for guys who were beginners being shown how to handle the rod. I'll keep my eyes open, since I'm selling off my last spey rod . Will be in market for some REALLY fast, especially for my winterrun fishing.
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Jerry, please do keep us posted on this rods availability. The one (and I'm assuming here that it was the new Lamiglas spey)I used at the Sandy 'Clave was a deep cherry red colour.
Ring a bell? And what is this 'selling off your rods'nonsence????? Are you suggesting your reverting 'back to the darkside' and shudddddddder .... "bait gear?" Say isn't so! 
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No Fred. Wish that was the case. But am selling off my gear rods as well. I fell into a loophole on L&I. I had to fight my private L&I company in court for 3 years to get them to pay for my therapy. Finally got it approved. Guess what? They only have to pay me my salary at time of accident, though THEY were the one's who delayed the healing. My private medical insurance wouldn't pay for therapy since it was an L&I accident. So I was stuck working with my back/shoulder messed up making it worse. Now, off work and being healed. BUT, losing a bit over $800 a month off my checks. With a car repair that needed to be done, and life in general all my reserves have went buy buy in the last 5 months I've been off (shorted $4,000 so far that I'd normally have in bank). Selling off the rods I know I can get decent $$$ for. Sucks, but has to be done.
So no, not reverting back. Down to one fly rod now (had 15 or so) and down to a couple drift rods and then my old glass rods. Don't want to get into those if I don't have to. But, we'll see.
Hmmmmm, can't remember color. Could've swore it was a deep blue spey rod (not the low end rod blue, but a deeper vivid blue). But may have been red. I saw so many rods come out. But I heard about them showing off the new lami spey, and watched them cast like a rocket.
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Well I count 5 spey rod users if we only count Fred as one but perhaps I should rethink that assumption. He can qualify as 2-3 at least I think.
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2-3, more like 6-7. 
Actually, I'm gonna really look into the Lami speys. I just checked one out, it's a deep blue blank. They actually have really changed the blank design and butt design. Have a nice rich look and feel. Not the first G1000 style blanks. Plus, are very competitively priced (at least the one's they have now, not the one's Fred looked at). They run about half the prices of the Sages, T&T, Winston's, etc. So may go that direction. Not too sure yet though. But it's a start.
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Does Fred have one yet ? He is my designated prototype tester if he says to buy it I will seriously consider it since this man knows his spey rods.
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Well, they'll let just about anybody join this club...
Add one more to the spey inflicted hereabouts.
mmm
Ooh, all these buttons and thingys. Kinda intimidating.
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Hey MMM, welcome aboard. Glad to see you made it.
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Yeah, add one more. Although I use a standard fly rod for the "classic" streams (and the little fishies that live there), I did pick up a short (11' 3" Cabela's) primarily for the great mending capability. The Lake O. Tribs really aren't that big where you REALLY need to "boom 'em way out there". The only water big enough for a long spey rod would be the Genesee and the Salmon R., but since both of 'em are mobbed, I normally fish the smaller, lesser known streams - and still catch my share.
Incidentally, I've been real happy with the outfit for my use (Cabela's rod + Redington RS2 + DT Line). Yeah, the rod could use better cosmetics, but if it bothers me, I'll just redo the cosmetics. Hell, I used to build bamboo rods when I was a kid. Not a big deal. But the action is good, handles fish well, and I have even been known to overhead single-hand cast with it under the right conditions. And, it mends line SUPERBLY - that's what I really got it for, anyway! Let's face it - I am just a beginner with it.
So, I don't know if this qualifies me to be in such prestigous company or not, but I know it qualifies to be "economically prudent", as Hal calls it. (Most folks just call it "cheap".)
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Bobk if you see any "economically prudent" good buys on a large arbor spey reel give me a heads up. I am looking for another one.
Spey is the way.
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Hey, Hal - your motto is similar to mine:
"FISHING WITH DILIGENCE, SKILL AND INTEGRITY WILL NEVER REPLACE DUMB LUCK!"
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First off, Bob, you qualify. I had a 12' Spey, so you're pretty darned close. LOL.
Hmmmmm, let me look Hal. I could've sworn I saw like a Tioga LA reel that could be used for speys (like a 12wt reel). Let me see if I can find the info.
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Well, I am a big fan of the Tioga line and now own four (4). I have a 12, regular spool, for the 8/9 XLT with an adequate length of 20# backing (dealer set it up so I don't really know how much length) and a 12 LA for the 8/9/10 Windcutter w/150 yds. plus of 20# backing.
I also own several 8 LA and my son a 4 Reg. for his trout rod. Tioga's are, in my opinion, the best buy in disc drag reels.
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Tioga's I have heard good things about them but never seen one. Local fly shops do not carry them here.
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I've seen a couple Hal. VERY NICE. May even consider getting a couple when I finally get a chance to restock my arsenal (won't come SOON enough). Haven't heard any complaints from people that have them. Plus VERY reasonably priced. Can't beat it.
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Correction -
The backing for these spey reels are 30# test and not the 20# test I indicated.
And since we are talking reels:
Another board member (Drewski) asked several months ago about Cabela's reels. Although I wouldn't trust my steelheading to their reels, I absolutely love their little Prestige for a trout rod. Just bought a pair in fact.
mmm
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Yeah, I never tried a big cabela's reel. I did have one of the older smaller reels with a pack rod combo I had bought. Was a nice reel. Looked like a hardy knockoff (was made in England too if I remember right). Only problem with most Cabela's reels, most are way too small for alot of our fishing (backing wise and adding the bulkier lines). Haven't really looked at some of the newer one's, but know on their own spey rods, they don't use their own reels. They use the SA's and such on them (they used the LA cabela's on the smaller 7wt speys. But I know the smaller reel on my 4wt I had worked flawlessly.
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For steelie fishing, I always pick a LARGER reel than the ones that the reel companies "size" for a given line. First off, I want to balance the rod, but the real reason is that they all lie about how much backing they hold. Darn reels never hold what the "specs" say they should.
And for spey rods, with the lines we use, throw away the books and pick a VERY BIG reel! At least, that's my feeling and experience. (By the way, a lot of Pflueger Medalists are still in use - cost is cheap, and if you need a good drag, get the exposed rim model and use your hand on it! It still works well!)
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I completely agree Bob. I used my old 1498 until I got myself a Martin saltwater fly reel (never seen one before, but was one BIG sucker). Then, lucked into a couple lamson spey LP7's and stuck with those. But all of them speys are gone. So next time around will be buying new and inexpensive. Probably will go with a SA 1213, or a Tioga. I agree, go BIG.
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I have three Tioga reels.One for my spay rod,one for A 10 1/2 foot 7wt. I bought from Marty(does he have any rods left at home)and A large arbor I buoght from Dickson when I bought one of his Yancy shooting head lines. The sealed drag on these guys is awsome. My partner has one of those 500.oo Sage reels, and it does look awfully pretty,but I have caught 20 plus pound fish on both of them and I couldn't tell any difference
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That's a big vote of confidence, Dutchman.
I'm happy with my Redington. my Orvis Battenkill Multiplier and my CLA (Cabela's Large Arbor), but I got all of 'em on "closeout" for very low prices. (all well under $100!)
But if I ever need (or want) another reel, that Tioga will be high on my list!
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Here is link to the Harris Solitude reels that are really popular in Michigan and are now catching on in saltwater. Guides swear by them, my local fly shop owner is trying to talke me into them. I can tell you they are very solid, bullett proof.
Little pricey but to bad at up to $ 400.
These will last you a life time and will work at 10-20 degrees F.
http://www.harrisreel.com/pages/spec_sheet.html
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Hey, Hal - those are supposed to be OUTSTANDING reels, and will last a lifetime or two (Maybe 5 or 6, at my age!) Probably well worth the money.
But "economically prudent"?
Let's see - all a reel is supposed to do is store your line, and keep it "out of the way". It should also be able to pay out line when a fish pulls too hard, so it doesn't break the leader. And, if it is below freezing, don't get the reel wet, or it will ice up.
Hmmm... For years, most of 'em just had a clicker mechanism, and fishermen used 'em with care, and were happy. Later, they made 'em with exposed rim, so you could even apply hand pressure to assist the clicker on a big fish.
The Pflueger Medalist was what we saved up for.
So, I would have to justify to myself why I should spend $400 on a reel after I learned as a kid to make do (and catch lots of fish) on a cheap single-action reel. I think I would have a hard time justifying it.
When I started trouting, we looked at the guy with a steel telescoping rod and an automatic reel with envy - man, that had to be living good! He could "shorten it up" in the brush, and "stretch it out" when he had room to overhead cast. And line control - man, with the touch of the trigger, he could pick up all his slack. That was living!
I guess I learned at an early age, be careful what you wish for - you just might get it!
Shows how tastes change! 
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Well, I'm not sure exactly what reel I'll be buying once I'm back on my feet. I did like the SA's (used the 1011 and 1213). Heard about lots of problems with them, but I had some VERY nice fish on them, and not one failure. Plus, I can get some REALLY good discounts on them. May even get them on the Tiogas, just gotta go through my sources and find out. But only time will tell.
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I would like to get in on this spey thing but I figured that since I've been having trouble catching anything with my single hander.Why spend the money on something else that I won't catch anything with.. I almost spent some money on one of thoses CND rods. But my before mentioned line told me not to so I didn't.
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Oh and BoBK. Have you found someone else to fish with yet. I know that being retired it's hard to find some one to fish with. Jim
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Well, first off, will try to cover a few subjects.
1. Reels vs. performance - I was always trained that if you take care of your gear, it will take care of you. Probably the reason you never had problems with your SA reels is that you treated 'em well. Today, too many guys lay 'em in the sand, dunk 'em in streams in freezing weather, never clean or lube 'em, then biXch when they lose a fish because of "reel failure". Gosh, I wonder why???
So now, manufacturers "harden" em with sealed bearings, exotic materials, etc., but then have to charge a fortune, because people are lazy.
You pays yo' money, and you makes yo' choice!
2. Fishing parteners?? - no luck finding a close buddy. I often find a guy to go for the day, or run into guys on the stream and we hang out for the day, but that's about it. Plus, my son-in-laws love to, but they are tied up with careers, kids, wives etc., so they have a hard time getting out. This November, my son-in-law's uncle is going to come up and join me for chrome and brownies. He is a salt-water fisherman and has a fly-rod, but he hasn't used it in years, so I may have to share some gear and do a little "retraining". That's okay - he is a REAL NICE guy, and a WW II veteran, as well. Those guys deserve a LOT of respect - and there aren't an awful lot of them left!!
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My Plueger Medalist is still ticking after 35 years.
Must be tough for those retired fly fishers not having fishing partners during the week and having the river ALL TO THEMSELVEs !
Give me a break us working fellows would do anything for a week day fly fishing.
Matter of fact I think I will do it tomorrow ! Summer steelhead watch out.
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Thanks Bob for the response. I actually agree with you 100%. I always took care of the reel, never tossed it down. Guess that's the difference I guess.
Hal, yeah agree there. I just sold off my old pfluegers awhile ago (sold them as combo's on my old glass fly rods, reluctantly because of my injury). Used that reel for about 15 years, and it was a good 15-20 years old when I got it second hand. That reel never failed, and fought some big kings with it (was on a 10wt glass rod).
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Hey MrM...The prestige is an Okuma Sierra in Cabela's logo. Just so you know... Great little economical reel (have 2 of 'em.)
One great reel for the economic speyer is the redington RS2...
I had a spey until a few months ago, Loop Yellow 14' 9/10. No mention of the Loops here so far, but I can tell you that they're available some places for around $300 (PM me for where...) Great sticks. I got rid of mine for economic reasons, based on lack of usage one or two rods had to go. I'll get another someday.
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Thanks for the info on the origin of the Prestige. Yes a great little reel when purchase costs are minimalized (the first one I got for $10 when I bought a St. Croix rod. I loved it and bought an additonal one at a further $10 off. So I have $50 invested in the two. Outstanding deal for a really nice trout reel).
As to spey rods, anyone here tried the CNDs? A really nice rod made even better by the low entry price. A good friend in Idaho sells them, so contact me if you want to know more...
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P.S. Forgot to add, on sizing reels for spey rods I go up three sizes on the reel (e.g., my Sage 9140-4, a 9 wt., has the Tioga 12-LA). For the fatter Grandspey and XLT lines a regular spool Tioga in size 12 was required.
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Yeah - going up three sizes is a darn good idea! I am of the same mindset, but I usually look at 'em and can tell which BIG reel to get. You're right - it always came out at least 3 sizes larger!
Good one, MMM!
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I casted the CNDs at the michigan spey clave in April.
Best one I liked was the 8/9 weight green blank model. Think it was the expert series.
Nice rod for the $$$$$.
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Hal,
I recently purchased the CND Expert 8/9 for my 15 year-old son. It is indeed a fine rod and a steal at <$300. He is currently casting with the WC 8/9/10 with only the floating head assembly and is having no problem (some have suggested the lighter WC 7/8/9). Whatever, if you just adjust the amount of head at the tip, this rod will surprise you with its heart and abilities.
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Speybum (not on here yet, have to have Fred bug him lol) has CND's on hand at his shop in Carnation. I may check them out. But from what I've seen of the current one's (and what Fred has told me about the experimentals) I may actually check out the Lami Speys. They had some dark blue/black Lami speys at the Sportsman show. Heard some spey guys BS'n about it. They were very impressed by those (Fred talked about a red one, so different). I may check theirs out. Local and really good things so far (better then their first entry level rods into spey they first produced). But haven't been able to try them, nor am I able to yet. But soon, VERY soon I hope.
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I'm one of them, whether using a double handed rod, or speycasting with a single handed rod
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Great group of folks here, and you'll recognize a lot of the names. BG is Hal Eckert, G Strand is Gus Strand, MMM, ST69 you know, etc., and etc.
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Welcome aboard loco. You'll fit right in here. Nice and easy going. Just waiting for the first guy to start yelling, screaming, or starting stuff. I'll pull their plug so fast their head will spin. So far has been awesome!!! Thanks everyone who's helped make this such a wonderful area. I almost rarely go back to my other sites now. Spend more time here now. That's a good thing.
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Hey spey gurus whats new in the spey world of technology ?
Perhaps we now have spey lines engineered to each different type of spey cast and you can purchase a line for your most proficient cast.
After a year of reading about spey lines and getting totally confused, I bought a floating windcutter and you know what it works for me. KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid is a wonderful modus operandi to adopt for many things in life.
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LOL Hal. Actually, I liked the multitip for my big 9/10 wt rods. Those I only used tips on anyways (sinktips for those not used to the "tips" slang). But, on my smaller rods I usually used straight floaters with maybe a sparespool with one sinktip if I wanted to do a wetfly swing.
Well, calling Fred. Any news on spey tech? I don't have any.
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Lamiglas is looking at at least one (perhaps two) new 14-15 foot spey rods in the 8-9 wt range. Had the opportunity to try one of them out at the Sandy River Spey 'Clave and IT WAS WONDERFUL!!
Still can't get a solid grab when this/these will be available to the public, but the rod is close to Sage class and at a St. Croix price. A very good thing.
Have it (from another Board) that Sage (now that they've purchased Redington) will close down Redington's high end rods and let the line 'compete' with the lower end rods.
Airflo's new duel colour spey lines are great to cast; try one and you'll probably love it. Several rod manufactures appear to be using these lines on the majority of their demo's.
Item last: the red shack fly shop (that's MJC on the Board) has 'rental spey lines.' $5 per day. Not bad considering you can drop $70-75 on a line and find you 'hate it.'
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Saw that on Red Shed site also,thats a great idea renting spey lines also should do spey rod rentals. Actually I saw fly rod rentals advertized on some site think it was one of the Montana fly shops. Try an expensive set up for a day or more of fishing before you make the big purchase and then later find out you do not like it.
Wish my local fly shop would do that.
You can rent everything else bikes, skis, tennis racquets, golf clubs etc why not fly rods, reels and lines ?
Are the Redington spey rods any good I have heard some bad reports on them but never personnally seenn one.
Lamiglas spey rods sound interesting. An 8-9 weight is the next spey rod for me, before the lite spey rod also.
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Since all my speys are now gone, I'll definitely be in the market for new speys. If the new Lami's are as good as I hear (and yes, I TRUST Fred's opinion COMPLETELY) I'll be buying a few. I just sold off my last one, so will need to replace the 3 I had. Hopefully soon.
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Congrats on making it here Aaron. Welcome aboard. Had a great time at the shop yesterday. Appreciate the woven body lesson. Will be in touch, thanks for the offer.
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Aaron - WELCOME!
Hope to hear more from you, and thanks for giving Jerry the lesson on woven bodies.
Lots of us reprobates and fun lovers here.
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Burkheimer 13ft9in 8weight
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I am sitting on three spey blanks that I need to build or sell off.
1808/9 gl4 4 pc
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Need more time in the days to get my focus on building some of these.
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I just do a modified spey cast from my one hander, 9'6" is all i need to get it there for most of the rivers i fish...
Turst me on this one! You can do almost any spey cast with a one handed rod at 9'or better. You could do some with a shorter rod by (my .02 cents only here not very well)with a bit of practice.
Spey casts are not that big a deal; and they will REALLY add to your one handed casting options.
Only thing that makes then a tad clumbersom (sp?) is the short butt below the reel; so what; you've got three fingers on the cork, not the whole hand. Trust me! It really works.
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Again, I find myself agreeing with Fred on this. I think that also leads to the "recent discovery" and growing popularity of the so called "switch rods" (Also called "single-handed spey", "Hand and a halfers", "three handers", etc.) I have one and didn't even know it until I heard what they were - I find it perfect for my fishing in the smaller Great Lakes Tributaries.
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You know, I had a hard time translating my spey to my one hander. I could do it, but was hard. It may have been the rod I had at the time. It was an older med action (almost medium slow). I thought it would be a good match, but for some reason I couldn't get the line to roll out and fly like my spey would. But, I never tried it once I got my better fly rods. Hmmmm, maybe I'll try it on my last rod I have. Just that I had much better luck spey casting on the spey rod.
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What would be the proper line choice for a single handed spey line?
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I use DT or steelhead taper (long belly), works great
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Yeah, I agree - I also use a DT line - but ONLY because I do a lot of indy fishing, and do a lot of mending.
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After reading all of this hype on Spey casting I'm going to try it out Monday. I have a fellow fly fisher that has several rods and he is going to let me do the spey with one of them. I will be using either a Loop or a Fly Logic. I should have so many choices.My friend is Mattzoid. He used to frequent that other site once in a while. And I'm trying to get him over here.
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I was out tonite chasing cutthroat with the 4 wt, doing all sorts of spey casts on a Sage LL 4 wt. Different rods need some stroke adjustment, but the spey casts can be done (more or less) on any flyrod. Its probably easier for some people to learn spey casting basics on a singler hander first, because getting used to a 13-15' rod can be a chore in itself without having to also learn the new motions.
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As noted above, most spey casts can be done very well with a one handed rod. Think Steve above must have a small record of sorts; first time I've heard of "doing it" with a rod as light as a 4wt.
Point of learning several of these casts is you're no longer tied to water with enough room to make a back cast, you can also cut out a lot of fooling around false casting.
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I must be doing something really wrong. I assume type of line must be a big factor. DT a must? I know I tried with my WF, and was a bear. But, I never was the best of casters anyways. LOL I can get the line out, and catch fish. But, don't expect a picture perfect cast.
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Hey Old Man 1, say hello to Mattzoid he is the only one I know with my beloved Sage 5120-4 ultra light sage spey 5 weight 12 footer. Tell him to get over here and give me an update on its performance to date, I have not bought it yet but the longing is still there.
Getting use to the longer spey rod is difficult at first but after 18 months now the 9 footers feel like toys in my hands and I keep trying to cast them with two hand techniques.
I guess I am a two hander now for sure ! LOL
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Problem I see witha two handed 15 ft rod is landing fish in tight quarters. Rod to long to beach a biggie in tight quarters... watched this circus in bc last fall from across the river.
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Even a 13 footer as I use, makes it tought to land fish in tight quarters. Lots of it out in GL, no big gravel bars or sand bars on most rivers, brush and trees are right down to the banks, overhanging trees, log jams, not many places at all to beach a big salmon or steelhead. I have lost my share due to this since using the spey rod, but its advantages out weigh the disadvantages in my opinion.
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Marty, I had similar problems. I guess there's a way to beach them. Have a speyrodder from another page that's supposed to show me how you do it. I know I had a spot just below willoughby on the Hoh. Hooked a nice 14# on a ledge in the canyon down there. Guess what? That 14' rod was giving me beef. Way the fish was sitting, could muscle it upstream thanks to a big tree. Didn't want to overstress the rod. So I actually took a chance and brought the rod back, dropped slack in the spey line, and actually handlined it in. LOL. Got it in though. Will be talking to him hopefully soon to figure out how he does it.
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Problem I see witha two handed 15 ft rod is landing fish in tight quarters. Rod to long to beach a biggie in tight quarters... watched this circus in bc last fall from across the river.
Bingo.  That's the one place were 'long rods' make things very interesting. 'Trick,' if you want to call it that, is to loosen up your drag (a lot!) and hopefully you'll have a spot in the tree line you can stick your rod and 'tail the fish.' The very loose drag gives you "options" (as slim as they may be) if the fish desides to make one more run when you step along side/behind him.
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From now on if I get them within 5 yards of me or the shore almost landed, and I end up losing them due to the darn long spey rod, I am counting them as landed. So I can avoid the 
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to land them, I use the "put rod butt on leg and lever them in" approach, but admittedly its a lot harder than with a singler hander. a lot.
before I sold my 7' 3 weight, I was doing spey casts with that, too. That rod was so soft that it could also take a #2 line. As long as you have belly outside the rod tip, it doesn't matter about what line you use. Just get that D-loop going and you're in business. Its great on small streams. and a WF is fine up to the running line, but after that its a different (futile) ballgame altogether.
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I'll have to try that out loco. Next time I feel up to taking the rod out again.
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Any more arrive since July ? Must be some.
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Of course there are more
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started almost 6 months ago. For what it's worth, then I was at 11-12 spey rods, now I'm at 14.
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14 ?
have you perfected the use of two spey rods at once yet ?
Remember me in the spey rod part of your estate, heck I will even pay for one of your old spey rods just to say I have one.
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Hal - did the "Green Monster" raise its ugly head?? Fred just enjoys spey rods - and testimony from others verifies he uses 'em all - and VERY well!
Besides, like the other Scottish pastime of golf, you wouldn't play the game with just a putter, would you??!!
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What "Green Monster" ?
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on the river. Usually have three rods rigged at all times; full floater, sinking head and one with one of the RIO sinking leaders. May only hit the river with two in hand, but (lazy?) it's a pain in the fanny to have to re-string a rod to go from a dry, to a sinker, etc.
Then you've got the 'target fish/time of the year' thing. With the spring kings, anything less than a heavy duty 9-11 wt rod would just be inviting a blow up.
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Whoops - sorry, Hal... Should have been "The Green-Eyed Monster"... (Another way of saying "jealousy"!"
Fred - that's the ONLY way to fish... Be ready for anything, anytime!
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Fred, I'm glad to hear that I am not the only one to take 3 rods or more for a days fishing.
I carry the same as you but usually have a rod with a shooting head set up for stripping a big collie dog across the pools.
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I always take three rods to the river along with about 10 reels and a shooting head/tip case. As my fishing buddy Oldman 1 always says in his bitching oldman voice, "why do you gotta take so many rods, you can only use one." You ever try to use one club on the golf course? I usually bring the cnd 15'6" Salar, 1409 Loop yellow and the cnd 13' 8" Skagit. With Jim and the weather, I never know what river we will end up fishing. I have four other spey rods that I use for trout or saltwater or as back up. I'm looking at a Bob Meiser 13' 10/11/12 wt rod for tossing fat heads (around 750 grains) on the salt. I only buy the cheapest reels I can find. Okuma integrity 10/11 and Tioga 12's for large lines like grand speys. The reason for cheap reels is with 30 or 40 lines, it gets too pricey to spool them all up at 400 to 600 hundred a pop. And I like to switch lines or shooting heads as fast as possible on the river.
When I'm spey fishing I'm drifting something with more control and with more time in the water than regular single hand rods. I have seven single hand rods I never use except for when my girlfriend wants to wet a line. I also keep spin gear for the kids, but I don't even know how to rig half of it.
That's me in a nutshell.
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God, I thought I needed an Extreme FF Makeover to reduce my ongear river tackle. Its not me that needs it its you fellows ! I take two rods and two reels. Only one rod at a time with me on the river with different spools for the reel if I want to switch a line.
But I can tell you for steelhead and salmon I virtually fishing the same line all of the time just with different sinking tips.
There is no way I can carry two rods on the rivers here and walk these narrow winding forest trails and banks that have vegetation right up to the water. We do not have the large open gravel bars like out west.
Recommend you fellows reduce your on river tackle and start your "Extreme FF Makeovers"
Geesh and I thought I was out of control with tackle on the river! LOL
To many flys yes I do carry too many but they are relatively light.
You fellows have just released a huge guilt burden from me I feel relived, that I am not the most fanatical when it comes to carrying tackle with me.
Thanks FF colleagues.
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For me it's not just being a fanatic, it's prudence. To many stories of guys getting ripped off while they are out on the river. I figure the best way to avoid losing my investment is to bring it with me. I use an Orvis flight bag thing. Holds three rods and then these compartments kind of saddle the rods. All of it can be carried on a shoulder strap. Very comfortable at any distance or terrain.
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OK, Hal...
Now you know you have been doing it all wrong for all these years. NOW GET OUT THERE AND BUY A COUPLE OF GOOD RODS! (A couple of good new reels, lines too!) Now you have the evidence to prove it, too! So get out there and help the economy by spending some of that moth-eaten money.
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Hey if anyone feels the need to pare down the arsenal, I'm only just starting to amass my weapons of mass distraction.
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You do seem to have a lot more instances of tackle thefts from fishermans cars out in the PNW. I probably should not say this but I have never in 45 years of FF had my car broken into and it has been at remote national forest parking areas many times over the last 23 years. Plus I have not heard of this happening much out here in GLs. Just does not happen much believe me. I can see why you carry more rods with you out in those wide open PNW rivers at least a lot them are unlike our smaller rivers out here.
You would not want to take a rod bag like that through our Michigan muck swamps and the winding steep clay bank trails through the heavy foliage.
I can tell you there are no wading fly fisherman that I ever see here with more than one fly rod on them. Drift boaters may have several I suppose but they are not carrying them around these river trails.
I will stick with my one rod and reel and couple of back up spools.
BG
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Hal - there are no good "sales". The only good ones are when they discontinue a rod or reel series, and have a "firesale" or "clearance". They don't come along often - about every year and a half, or so. And, you better have the bucks handy and available.
That's the story of the last rod and three different reels that I bought - at savings from 50% to 70%! You just gotta be PATIENT! (I picked up the rod and two of the reels before we became acquainted. Remember the Redington? I TOLD you to buy 2 of 'em!) I am STILL disgusted with myself for not buying at least 2 - maybe 3 - of the multiplier that I dearly love for my 6 weight - I should have bought 2 larger ones for Spey fishing, but hadn't started at the time. Out to 60 feet, they are faster than the large arbor! (and that was measured by me at the local football field.) And the Large Arbor is not that much better out to 90 feet. Boy - can you ever catch up and keep pressure on with a fish running straight at you!
Too bad the excellent multipliers are out of fashion - a good one is worth its weight in gold!
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Yeah I can vouch for all he carries. It's like moving day at a sporting goods store. But he's a big guy and can tote it all. I can only afford one rod and reel.(fixed income). So if I need a different line or tip my buddy comes through for me. Thinking about another rod but then It has to have line and a reel to go with it so it's just in the thinking mode still. But it's true,all that he said.
I just wish he'd catch something to justify all the money's he's spent. But that's why it's called fishing and not catching.
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Catch Something? That's like the pot calling the kettle black. Besides, you saw me bring at least 25 Salmon to hand and I don't know of anytime you had to wash fish slim off your hands. But that's OK Jim, when these rivers start to even coming close to being in shape, I'm going march your ass all over the Cascades. And if you slow down and start complaining, I'm going to buy a wheel-barrel and carry your butt until you get a damn steelhead. Infact, what are you doing Tuesday?
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LOL Matt. I'm gonna buy a video camera and tag along on this expedition.
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Yeah I want to see some pictures of this steelhead oydssey expedition myself.
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Hey, guys, quit ganging up on ol' Jim. I'll bet he just catches more than his share - he just doesn't brag about it!
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Yeah Bob. And Matt I didn't se you catch that many fish. I was usually tired from the long walk to the river bar and bagged earily. But I did get a few pictures of you catching A fish on the river this summer.Lets see,four Humpies that you got smoked,one out of the sound. No I can't say 25 fish. I think that I just shot down my ride for the next three years for these statements.
No Bob,my catching rates really suck right now. I don't even know what it feels like having a fish on the end of my line. The last fish that I can remember was the Humpy I hooked on the Skagit way before we had these last few floods. About two months ago.
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Too bad, Jim. We're having a bad year here as well - and I don't know why. The weather and water levels have been good (higher than the normal drought conditions we have suffered through the past few years), but the fish just haven't been running. I just happened to catch a couple of days when they were running good, and that was pure chance. Yet, the next day, it seemed like it was done. The fish had all run upstream, and even there, they just had lockjaw.
I do know the lake (Ontario) is having problems providing adequate food. There are two reasons - one is the all the garbage species the ocean-going ships brought in from Eurasia. The second reason is the water has less nutrients in it from all of the anti-pollution efforts. Sounds crazy, but it is a fact. (Even the fisheries biologists admit it.) Sometimes, you have to be careful what you wish for - you just may get it.
Anyway, hope things improve - for both of us.
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Sure Bobk, "Were having a bad year here as well"
Guess all those fly fishing magazine articles about Lake Ontario are wrong after all.
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Hal, since the lakes are all interconnected, GUESS WHAT???
You, too, will soon be "enjoying" the same thing.
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I`m new to the list, but from July until Jan you will sind me stumbling around in the Deschutes Spey rod in hand.
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I have the CND 1308 been fishing it for about 3 months. I really like this rod. As soon as I can get my hands on one I will have one of the new Steelhead Specialists.Talked to Steve at COO today and he will be ordering me one. I`m sold on this Spey stuff.
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Welcome aboard Skilly. I'm going to be checking the CND's when I'm back to using the speys again. Sold mine off due to injury. But still want my old Sage 9140-3 back. Maybe I'll find one of the old ones again.
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The CND 1308 was nice I used at the Michigan spey clave this year, however I am not sold on it and am looking at other worthy candidates in the same price range. Lets just say its still on my candidate list for 8/9 weight 13 footer.
How is casting heavy sink tips ? I only had a floater on when casting it which was not a true test since 90% of the time I am using sink tips.
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I like it for casting the tips. I havent tried it with the compensator yet. With the 789 Windcutter and the upgrade I can easily cast to the running line. I have been trying to keep about 1 ft of the head in the rod for mending. With a short leader this gives me about a 70 ft fishing range. I can cast it farther, but have a hard time mending the running line so I stick with the head just in the rod.
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Thanks, 70 foot is about the maximum cast I would need to make out here in Gls and try and maintain a controllable mend and drift. Only a few rivers that are wide here, my definition of wide being over 30 yards (90 feet).
Good rod for the money how do you like its cosmetics, I was not impressed with that but I guess thats because I was casting twice as expensive Sages alternately with it.
Boy those are nice, if I win the lottery will have to get one. (Two kids in college, one in HS, two siberian huskies, four cars, and A PRINCESS to support, etc...) LOL
I guess I should not be laughing right ?
Any body seen these new Lamiglass spey rods yet, they look interesting checked out their web site.
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Do you have the Expert or the Custom 1308. I've been looking at the Expert but would like to have the Custom.
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They're cracker jack. Had a chance to use two different models at the Sandy River Spey 'Clave. Light as a feather, and could really zing line.
One, if not both, were 6 section rods! If you need 'portability' these could be your babies.
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Really 6 section rods isn't that uncommon even for spey rods.
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I am fishing the custom right now. I had wanted to get the
steelhad specialist but being retired it is out of my budget.
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I feel your pain. I'm retired also so living on a fixed income is not a good way to go. But you can't be rich a good looking also so I settled for the good looking thing. But I'm trying to work out a deal so maybe it will be a custom after all.
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And Hal thinks "Times are Tough" now! Wait 'till he leaves that corporate job and retires. Then he will settle on a "fixed income" and REALLY change his lifestyle!
The other joys include paying quarterly Estimated Income Tax, and the fun of the government's "Double Taxation" on certain social security benefits!
Then, maybe he won't have so much "spare time"! I am sure he will have fun with the "princess" to keep an eye on him... every second of the day,... 24/7! And THERE GO his "weekly buying of materials" expeditions... she will be able to REALLY keep her eye on both him and the "purse strings"! New rods? FORGET IT! Time and expense (for food, gas, etc.) for a fishing trip? FORGET IT! Steelheading? FORGET IT!
And with the government forcing you into Medicare at age 65, and trying to take over prescription drugs, whether you want them to or not, ANOTHER royal screwing of the populus is at hand! Oh, boy! Now we get to deal with BUREAUCRATS! (Bet THEY and the POLITICIANS are exempted with their fat government plans!)
You've got a lot of interesting surprises in store, Hal!
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"How many spey rod fly fishers are there here ?"
Now it has wandered into U.S. retirement woes ! This is way off topic and I still don't know how many spey rod fly fishers are here yet this post leads the board with 600+ views and replies.
I can see I am going to have take a poll Jerry may need your help to figure it out. Need to know how many spey brethren are here now.
Hey Bobk, I'm going to the fly shop today (always on Thursdays) for the small under the princesse's radar screen cash fly materials purchases, plus as a bonus, tonight is the second Winter Fly Jam, two hours of secret Michigan and Wisconsin secret guide steelhead flies. Woo hoo, if your nice online to me I may share visually here, if not I may forget to. LOL
 
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- and now, he adds "BRIBERY" and "THREATS" to the forum. Boy, talk about a certain "lack of morality"! 
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BobK, that's those high dry fly morals or is that high and dry morals? LOL
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Fred, please don't forget our international members you know whom.
Well its off to the secret GL's guides steelhead fly tying jam tonight, may have to sign a non disclosure agreement before it, these flys are so secret per my fly shop owner.
LOL
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Sounds like you'll need hip waders just to slog past the front door, Hal... Ever think that if the fly is a secret, it may be because nobody ever caught a fish on it?
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Nope! No "high and dry" morals. I didn't SAY I had any morals. Just said that on CERTAIN stretches of water, I just use dry flies (just out of respect to some ancient anglers).Yeah, I do use spinning and bait casters on occasion elsewhere. You see, I am just honest, law-abiding, and don't try to hide behind any "image"!
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Sounds like you'll need hip waders just to slog past the front door, Hal... Ever think that if the fly is a secret, it may be because nobody ever caught a fish on it?
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Gus, I didn't know you knew Hal??? Or should I say: know Hal by his reputation?
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Sounds like you'll need hip waders just to slog past the front door, Hal... Ever think that if the fly is a secret, it may be because nobody ever caught a fish on it?
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aaahhhh Fred... I know Hal knows YOU, my friend! See you tomorrow, Rain, shine or snow flurries for breakfast.
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The new secret flies are in my tying desk and will serve as prototypes for the winter tying. BTW, two of these patterns has already been sent to two of the esteemed members talking about me in this thread. I think you know who you are. So you alreadyhave two of them. Actually I developed one of these patterns two years ago but I did not want to show off in front of all the other tyers there last night. Might hurt my FF image etc... LOL
Next week at the Fly Jam is guide streamer patterns.
Love my fly shop owner great fellow he takes care of his good customers.
Hey Fred, yes I have known Gus for the last year, you see Fred you never know in the internet FF world who knows who. I have contacts across the internet FF world. LOL
Holiday greetings to all.
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Funny... and Hal, looks like Neil may be coming to our little breakfast, too! I'll bring the digicam and post mugs to the Southern Oregon board.
Scary. Maybe I should be bringing the hippers tomorrow!  
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I'm jealeous, Neil, Fred, and Gus rogue anglers at a FF breakfast. Say hellow to Neil and tell him I have some FF trivia questions that need answers over here. I'm about ready to submit them to the master FF historian emeritus...
Whatever Fred says about me is only half true at most I swear ! LOL
Enjoy.
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summed it up.
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Well I might be able to say Spey fishing but I doubt if I are one anymore. I've picked up a couple of bad habits the last three times that I've been out and can't seem to get past them. And it's getting worse. I feel that maybe I'll just go back to the Single hander and forget about the Spey thing altogether for a while.
On another note I did get to try out one of those Cortland Spey rods. A 13'er 8/9. It's a 5 piece, but as I said my casting sucks. So I don't know if it is good or not but you can't beat the price $200.00
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Thats exactly what I am in the market for a 13 'er 8/9 weight. My fly shop owner is trying to sell me a $ 600 Sharpes of Aberdeen spey rod.
I hate buying fly rods blind without even touching them before I pay for them.
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Hal - what about your "one true love", you know, Miss 5120??? Or did she throw you by the wayside???
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Thats # 2 on the list now after careful analysis of my needs the 8/9 weight is now # 1 except I am not sure who she is yet.
Is it Ms. Lamiglass, Loop, CND, Sharpes of Aberdeen, Meiser, I just don't know. Have to look at the vendors during the mid west fly show the first week in January.
Then it may be time to start another thread. "I am in love again but this time its really for real".
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Oh, no! I can't stand it. Jerry and Marty, if he starts on another "true love", shut him off QUICKLY! Last time it took him months... and he started hitting the sauce, too! He CLAIMED it was Merlot he was drinking, but I think it was cheap Muscatel. And now, he has the unmitigated gall to tell us that his ex-"dream rod" is now "Number 2"! Hours and hours he agonized over his "dream rod", and he dragged it on for month after month.
To make it worse, he never actually spent the money for the rod (his wife won't let him!). So he never owned or even caught a fish on it.
And, after all that, he is starting again!
But don't believe me - Fred can verify all of this.
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Jerry, Can we get those threads transferred to this board, or at least put up a link ? I see they are sitting dormant over there.
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Which threads Hal? You can post any links you want. Just use the URL button when you hit response and paste link in. Or you can simply put it in. Either way.
Ok Bob, will take it into consideration. LOL.
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Oh, oh.... No, Jerry! Don't let him do it! The first set of tear jerkers got so big that they had to shut the thread off, and restart it (Like Volume 1 and Volume 2!)
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LOL Bob. I'm a big boy. Plus, I just love those love novels. I like a good cry every now and then.
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Yeah - but Hal whimpers and whines a lot - worse than a little kid! 
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Ok, ok. I don't want to be responsible for shorting out his keyboard thanks to all the tears. Guess I won't ask for it. Hate to be responsible for ruining his new computer.
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fly forum post
Cool day, lot of very cool guys.
:>)
Now, cut this thread off and move on.
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Beautiful! Good way to stop this nonsense and get this thread back on subject, Fred!
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Well you can do what ever you want as now there is one less spey caster out there. I decided that with all of the problems that I have been having lately that I have decided to put the spey thing on the shelf for a while. And just do the one handed rod thing. I sure hope after beating myself up with the spey rod that I can still do the one handed thing.I'm not going to quit it. Just putting it on the back burner until I feel like I can try it again. Besides most of the rivers that I fish I can use the smaller rod.
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Here where I live, most of the streams are too small for a spey. What I have is an 11'3" "single-handed" spey rod that I use about half the time, and that is so I can mend line better than with a 9 or 9 1/2 foot rod. But at least the other half the time, the streams' size dictates that I use a 9' single hander.
I don't want or need "social status" - I just want to catch fish! And the easiest way possible based on conditions.
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..er's up there.
Ser., if you've got problems call Aaron Reimer, at the Spey Shop in Carnation, WA. He's one hell of a nice man, and he and Jack Cook, are Excellet! instructors.
One hour with someone whose a good teacher is worth 10 hours with someone whose a good caster.
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Fred, that's who oldman (Jim) has been working with. I do believe he's been working with Aaron.
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I was having problems with the lift and the "D" loop. I got the problem with the lift worked out but still having problems with the "D" loop. I tend to over power the loop and I end up with over hand casting.
Yes I've been working with Aaron. I just seem that I'm being pulled in two different directions on this spey thing and I'm not to sure that I want to go that way. So I've decided to just put it up for awhile and go back to the one handed rod with which I'm more at ease with.
Now if I could just get this double haul done right..........................................................
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Jerry, Can we get those threads transferred to this board, or at least put up a link ? I see they are sitting dormant over there.
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Trust me, this is more common than you'd think. Think of a spey rod as a very long lever. Very little pressure on one end can move a lot on the other ... if you let the tool do the work.
SLOW DOWN and 'enjoy the ride.' The shorter the cast, the less the 'omph' you need to put in the cast from start to finish. A great example of 'am I overpowering' the cast is the snake roll. If you are, you'll end up with the line wrapped around your head like a big slinkey.
Think of casting as making love to a beautiful woman; do you really want to be 'done' in 15 seconds?
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LOL. I agree fred on how to power the rod. LOL. I had same problem (self taught ughhhhhhh). I had read that to try and cast with your opposite hand (that was on Dana's original MSN speypages board years ago). WOW, I had instant distance. But fealt ackward, so slowed my cast way down. So, would have to stop myself and slow down on my normal casting side (which is good to be able to speycast both arms anyways in my thinking). Sometimes I do speed up out of habit, and pay for it. LOL. Will be working with Aaron once I'm able. He's gonna show me how to do a speycast with my bum shoulder (side arm cast I do believe).
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I'm just a stubborn mule and I'm going to take a rest on spey casting for a while. I will get back to it when I feel the time is right. And right now it is not the time. So please don't tell me to get back up on that horse as I'm tired of falling off of it. And this thread is too long and we should have a volume II. It takes me forever to get on it and about twice as long to post. So how's about it SH69.
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Jim, this may sound a bit 'strange' but some rods work for some, some don't work at all. I suspect you may have a rod that's not 'tuned for you.' No sh..
This, out of context, may sound a bit strange but it's 'life.'
Have two grandsons (teenagers), neither has ever held a fishing rod in their hands until a year ago.Have taken them steelhead fishing before, but with spinning rods. This year I desided to into them to the world of spey casting.
First trip, took 5 or 6 different rods (summer water flows) and ran them through each of the rods. Two were complete casting desasters, 1 was so-so, one not bad, one was a killer. With the first three rods, one boy could cast same a bit, the other was a cub bear playing with himself. Rod three ... sigh, but at least line was going out. Rod four, one was casting pretty darned well, the other frustrated as all hell. Rod 5 ZING!!! Both happy campers (again, in context, this was the first time either had a fly rod, let alone a spey rod in their hands).
It's the rod, not necess. the caster .. until he learns how to cast. (Bad news is you'll find this the same with spey lines).
Have Aaron pull out a few of his rods and give them a try. I suspect (and be sure to use the Meiser 7-8-9 as it's the Spey Rod Of the Gods!) you'll find the rod/line that zings for you.
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Edit for Hal: No you may not use this rod, even if Bob will send you a 'loaner' which he frequently does. If you cast this rod, you'd loose at least 500 'quest posts.' Can't have an Atty who actually knows what the heck he's talking about. Would sink the 'profession.'
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Jim, it looks like my post on this just died in ethernet hell. Shoot me your phone number, as I actually think I know what the hecks the problem (wrong rod!)
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Wow! That was off the wall! "It's back," as in the post.
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Yup, I agree. I know I used a couple different spey rods in the 9/10wt range. I know the Sage 9140-3 worked the best for me of them all (better then the 4 piece version of it). Funny thing, was the cheapest one I bought (I bought them used).
Jim, you want me to start a whole new thread? Or you keep starting at page 1 and forwarding??? Simply hit the last page and scroll to bottom. But, could start another, just hate to close a thread that's rolling.
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No,it's just that this thread is too long and it seems to take forever to get on and then when you post it sometimes gets on or it goes to la la land. As for trying out rods I have done that thing. My rod that was almost a gift is a St.Croix 14' 9/10. And the line is a 9/10/11 Wind Cutter. All I had to buy was the reel and it is a Okuma 10/11. Biggest feel I have ever used. I've tried CnD's 13'8/9 And I do a little better. I've also tried the Heratige 14'er, The CnD Expert 13'er 8/9. And I tried a Bob Meiser 12' 5/6 which really casts very nice..
As for the St. Croix,it is like casting a log And my arm and shoulder get tired very quickly. But I seem to get better with a lighter rod. And as Aaron said that we'll learn on my rod so that way I'll be able to cast anything.
Well I tried it with my rod so thats why I'm letting it rest for a while. I'm gonna wait until the first of the year and then try to make up my mind as to if I want to carry thru with it.If I do It will be with a different rod. One which is lighter.
No it just seems that my buddy(Mattzoid) want's me to do this and Aaron does too and between the two of them,well I just don't know amy more. So back to the one hander. Sure hope I know how to use it as I'm going out in the AM with a few guys from another site.
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Not a silly question as you can do almost every spey cast with a single hand rod (and a good thing to know how to do when you have minimal back-cast room); you might want to make up a "grass leader" and practice them with your single hander.
Once you get the feel this way, you may find transfering them to a 'long rod' a bit easier to accomplish.
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Well I went out today and played around with the double haul. And no I didn't forget how to cast a one hander. I kept trying to do it with two hands. But I won out and did it with one hand. See I'm not so dumb after all. As for casting on grass I don't like it.
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Jim, hang in there with the spey rod its worth it when you get over the initial casting learning curve. Fred converted me two years ago, too bad hes to far away to help me with my casting. So I did what I always do, I learned it on my own, the old fashioned way. Read some books, and web sites, etc...
Its not rocket science like some fly fishers tend to make it.
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Yo Fred Evans I see Mr. P. Krista will be giving spey casting lessons with the Fly Fishing University show circuit.
Is he a member of Dana's Spey Clave ?
I see a custom 21' 3 " spey rod is now available from him for a paltry $ 1K. If I ever used one that long here I am sure I would get arrested by the DNR since they have already asked me about my 13 footer, remarking how long it is. Must think I am up to something illegal you see there are not many spey casters in GLs country, a few but not many compared gear and single hander fly rods.
Bet those small trout and panfish show in the pictures on the site are quite an encounter on that 21 footer and if you are wearing a traditional kilt it may be the quintessinal spey fly fishing experience. LOL
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Actually, the fellows name is a total blank to me. Will hit you 'link' above and take a peek.
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Sheesh!! THAT clown. Folks on the spey board roasted his toast when he first put up his web page. A particular fav. was the size of that tiny fish in his hands while holding a 'spey rod.'"The totals for the day were 20 fish for 156 inches for Philip and 24 fish for 187 inches for me." Spare Me!! Just for the fun of it, do the 'division' and see the 'average size' of these honking big fish.
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Well he must be the real deal, I am sure he will soon have his own spey clave internet site for the elite eastern clientele he appears to be targeting. You know like the DC political crowd that want to impress everyone back on the hill about what they did over the weekend. Oh I learned to spey fly cast with a 21 foot spey rod what did you do?
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That Krista dude's site looks like a joke. The only photo of a decent fish was in the bears mouth. Go figure, he's in Maryland for crying out loud. It stinks of poser wanna be.
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I was just thinking back. I remember a 10 fish day I had with my spey rod. Was about 350" for 10. Hmmmmm. LOL I had almost as much in 10 as they did in 24. Was salmon though, and not really big (caught a couple big kings that boosted the average). I noticed that some go by inches on the east coast. Why's that? Seriously??? Is it because of the smaller size??? I'd simply said "We caught 20 and 24 respectively" and left it at that. The inches just add a "hmmm, small" aspect.
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I dunno, Jerry - usually we go by weight - the state puts out a "typical length vs. weight" chart (I think it's called "Weigh Your Fish With a Ruler"0 for all of the major species - and it actually is usually plus/minus 5% or thereabouts. For steelies, for example, a 30-inch fish would weigh about 9 lbs.14oz., but a brown of the same length would be 10 lbs. 12 oz. (The browns are more "football" shaped). If someone has to keep adding "inches", they are in bad shape!
Incidentally, I don't remember the web site for it, but can look it up, and will post it if anyone is interested.
I, for one, don't believe in bragging, or keeping score. I just build up some good memories, have fun, and occasionally, if a buddy comes along, I might get a picture. (Usually it is just of him fishing, or maybe he takes one of me, or possibly the scenery.)
Too many guys work too hard at the game, and keep score. I see too many guys dragging a stringer with a limit of fish - usually over rocks, and dragging in the sand/mud, then snapping flicks to prove they are "macho" individuals. Big deal! They are "smarter" than a critter with a pea-sized brain, I guess, and really "proved something". These are the same guys who exaggerate sizes, etc. and probably snagged or lifted most of the fish, anyway.
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I never keep score or do a detail measurement or weigh them, maybe a quick picture if the fish can be handled without injuring it, then back in the water ASAP. I know how long my spey rod is from the butt end and may do a quick visual measurement of the fish's length.
If you don't beleive what I catch and release so be it.
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I take home for dinner. Hatchery fish not with standing, keep darned few. The 'business' about wild vs. etc., is a dead issue to me. A steelhead is a steelhead; unless you need the food ... let him/her go.
On average, doubt I 'punch' 6 fish a year, even if I hooked close to 100.
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Outstanding Mr. Evans !
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Well, I can say I keep more then 6. But we eat alot of fish. Rarely go more then two weeks without salmon patties, grilled salmon, etc. But mostly salmon. I do keep a few steelhead. Just depends on how I'm doing with fish. Love fresh steelhead broiled with onions, butter, and a few other spices. Hmmmmmmm, may have to break out some salmon steaks. LOL.
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As a TRUTHFUL Great Lakes Steelheader/Brown/Salmon fisherman, (aparently one of a VERY small minority), I have to admit that all of mine are returned primarily because they are full of "questionable" chemicals. Most conservation or Public Health agencies put out "Advisories"
showing each species, how many servings you may eat and at what frequency, and why, and for our lake-run fish, they simply say "Eat None", and give the simple reasons - Dieldrin and PCBs.
So, since I don't care to glow in the dark, or poison others, I just don't keep 'em. (Actually, I haven't kept ANY fish from even safe fisheries in probably 40 years except as food for some folks on hard financial times - growing up poor as a kid, they were a prime source of protein for us back then). Now, there are others that are in the same boat as I was back then - let 'em have all they need, in fact, I'll even give 'em a full limit of big Finger Lakes lake trout on occasion (VERY pure water - no health advisories) if they want 'em - and I do, and have done this. These are proud folks that won't accept a "handout" of any sort, but it's OK with them to share your "good fishing luck", and they don't take offense.
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Well I don't know how my spey fishing thread went in this direction.
For the record I have been in the GLs since 1979. There have been warnings on eating the fish since I have been here. I did eat salmon and steelhead up until 1984 and then stopped. I have not heard of any health impacts of yet of those who do eat the fish and there are many of those for sure. The commercial sport fishery on the GLs is dependent on the edibility of the fish as most of those fisherman take and eat fish. I know they would not be able to stay in business if it was catch and release due to the edibility of the fish.
Now back to my spey fishing thread.
Hey Fred and Malcolm whats new from the spey line, rod, reel vendors that maybe should take a look at ?
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I fish a T&T 11' 7wt., handmade Rainshadow 12' 8wt., and a GL3 14' 8/9 wt. Right now I'm in Salt Lake so I fish the Salmon. It's still a wide river up here. I may be moving to Medford this fall for work:-)))
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Hal, there is the "Fred Evans Special" from Bob Meiser... and Fred DEPENDS on that rod, day in, day out. Even carries it in his trunk, "just in case" he gets waylaid on the way to the store, etc.
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What happened to the 18 foot Daiwa, is it Ebay history now ?
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Any new spey casters members here since the January the last post in this thread ?
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Yea you can add me to the spey rod team?
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Maybe someday, I can't afford it right now.
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Hal, there is the "Fred Evans Special" from Bob Meiser... and Fred DEPENDS on that rod, day in, day out. Even carries it in his trunk, "just in case" he gets waylaid on the way to the store, etc.
Over at Meiser's house this afternoon (had to 'lend him back' my 'FES' for the Sandy 'Clave. (Had to laugh, he brought several of his rods .. old and new designs ... and the fes was the one he was consistantly asked to test ... he forgot to bring it so used mine.)
Anyway, over at Meiser's this afternoon and he has a new one he's considering calling it the FESX, 'x' for extream. Also 13'6" and up a couple of line sizes for heavier fish. A COMPLETE SWEETHEART ROD! Can't wait to get my hands on this one and 'field test' same on the spring kings.
Bob's doing something now that I think is a very heads up way of looking at spey rod/line matchs. What you see on a line box vs. what's marked on a spey rod have ZERO corrilary.  None, nadda, zip, etc.
BUT, a given spey rod will best cast with a fairly tight group of head grain weights. So Bob's not putting on his new rods 'it's a 6 or 7 or what ever.' He's putting on 550-700 grains. So how do you match the line? Easy as pie as almost every line weight is known in grains (head sections, etc.) Know what range a rod works best with and then match same up with the manufacturer's numbers.
Only ONE BIG BUT here: spey rods will load very differently if you're 'grass casting' vs. actual (moving) water loading.
Anyway, someone asked about the 18 foot Bruce and Walker: blanks been polished, spooled and loaded with a short 330 grain head (also have a 440)for spring king fishing. These buggers are now just starting to show in 'some numbers' in the upper river. Usually trying to fly fish for them is a waste of time until the 'count' gets above 10,000 fish in the top 30 miles of river. Up to that point they're spread from hell to breakfast (save for the 'hatchery hole') so tough to target.
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Maybe someday, I can't afford it right now.
Also wanted to post to this one. Several manufacturers have spey rods out now in the $200-$250 range that are DARNED good equipment. How good? As good as many rods costing 3 times the price.
Don't know what area you live in, but what you want to do is get yourself to a 'Clave/gathering/etc., where rod manufacturers will have their new toys up for testing.
There are several in the PNW, the Sandy River 'Clave (last weekend) being the 'grand daddie' of them all. Close to 700 people there over the two days. Interesting this is this is the fourth one ... and in all that time (to memory) only one reel has ever turned up missing/not returned. And given hundreds of people have free access to all this equipment that a heck of a good thing. Memory serves, the Kaufman Spey Days has a similar record.
One reel did turn up missing from last weekend; Simon put a post on the wwwflyetc web site and had his reel back in less than three days (someone had inadvertently put it down on a wrong table after use) 
But I'm well off the topic here: At the 'Claves, Spey Days, etc., you'll not only have the opportunity to test any rod/ree/line combo you could think of .... but best of all you'll get all the free lessons you could ever dream of. And by lessons, I mean from the best spey casters in the world. Just walk up and ask ... and they'll spend as much time with you as you want. (No, I'm not kidding!)
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I fish a T&T 11' 7wt., handmade Rainshadow 12' 8wt., and a GL3 14' 8/9 wt. Right now I'm in Salt Lake so I fish the Salmon. It's still a wide river up here. I may be moving to Medford this fall for work:-)))
Steve, just saw your post. I live in Ashland, just south of Medford. If you need anything keep me posted.
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Yup, Bob is a true master when it comes to his spey rods. I WILL have one. Maybe even an FES. 
I agree with Fred. Alot of good rods now fairly cheap (compared to standard priced speys). I know at the Sky Clave, Simon grabbed a Reddington off the test rack and was throwing the full line with ease. He even said that there really isn't many "bad" spey rods being produced today (as opposed to a few years ago).
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Several manufacturers have spey rods out now in the $200-$250 range that are DARNED good equipment.
I know, but like I said, I can't afford that right now. With paying for gas, new reel/line for my new 6wt, and stuff for the band (I play bass), I can't afford it right now.
But, hopfully soon I will get a call from one of the many places that I have/will put job applications in and I will have the money. My ideas on getting a spey rod might change come fall, hopefully to get one (if not I have many year ahead of me).
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Yea I'll second what Fred E. said.
The world best caster would help out, any time at the Sandy.
Now a meesage for Fred.
Fred you cost me money again!
I just orderd 5/6/7 11'7" Meiser
To sweeeeet of a rod, can't wait to get it.
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Not to worry Brian, you'll love the rod. Stopped over at Meiz's place late last week for a chat and bowl of soup and he mentioned 'you'd dropped the dime.' (Forgot to add: "getting sucked into spey rods can be a very expensive mistress to properly maintain.")
Got to play with a couple of his new proto-types. One is very good, the other is AMAZING!!! It's one line step up from the 'FES,' but the butt section has Boron in the lay up. CAN NOT wait to 'field test' that rod on the kings!!!!
What tickled me more is Bob's considering calling the blank the 'FESX.' (fred evans special-xtream)
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LOL Fred. No one more deserving of line of rods. Maybe, instead of a Jungle Cock (or other feather) inlay, why not put a MacMallen label in it instead for you? Maybe Glenlivet. That way you always have it with you.
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LOL Fred. No one more deserving of line of rods. Maybe, instead of a Jungle Cock (or other feather) inlay, why not put a MacMallen label in it instead for you? Maybe Glenlivet. That way you always have it with you.
I am liking this idea A LOT! Think I'll check with the Meiz' and see if it's 'do-able.' Label size would be critical but I could just keep emptying bottles until I found one with an appropriate size.
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I think I still have the boxes that Malcolm sent me. They would be about the right size. If you want the Macmallen, can send that do you. It would be the perfect size for the butt section of a spey rod. Just cut and apply. In fact. You can have him seal up the butt section. Right at the ferrule so it's air/water tight. Then in the butt section, have him add a watertight screwcap. Just add the macmallen into the butt section. Then after a long day fishing, simply unscrew the butt cap, and have a drink of scotch.
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Sent "The Meiz" a link to this thread. A whole new idea? He gets free 'samples' of Dr. Malcolm's "mouth wash???"
Back to 'war is hell?'
:>)
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Ok Fred. But in case he needs a box, I have one at your disposal. Just let me know, you're more then welcome to it.
Yeah, that's some of the BEST mouthwash I've ever had. 
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OH FRED
I'm catching up with you (spey rods)
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OH FRED
I'm catching up with you (spey rods)
Quite possible ... especially with retirement looking me in the eye come this Friday. Did try a new Meiser rod that's one up from the 'FES' .. BONKERS!! One set of line numbers up and a bloody cannon!!
Called Bob this morning to see if he had 'one in stock.' As all his rods are made to order .... crap .... the one I tried was 'someone elses' rod and in the process of being shipped out today ... double crap.
This new one will test my wife's sense of humor. Ah well, do have the new RV to sleep in if push came to shove (save for her 'shoving me out a 4 story window!' 
Let the Games Begin!!
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FAE - it's hopeless, with the ladies even when you
win; you still lose! Lord help me, there is 3 in my
family! 
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Hey Fred
Was it Calymore (tip loads at around 650, and fully butt loads at around 1100) can't wait to try that one!
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Fred - I think you are "spreading it" a little bit. Why, that sweet, lovely spouse of yours wouldn't harm a flea! (Now, an errant husband might be another story!)
Seriously, though, Fred... didn't you know enough to suggest a new camera, or that she needs a new outfit or two??
BobK
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2 handers eh?
a bakers dozen resides in my closet, not to mention my collection of singles handers. still have my first single hander from 1966, last single hander I got was one I won at a TU auction. she is sweet
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gotta be a 2 hander
i am lost in spey abyss, so he says
blah blah blah,
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i let hal carry my long rod while on the stream
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Okay how many spey fly fishers do we have here now and those planning to go spey ?
Got to be more than a year ago.
BG
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Fred
Looks like I have to go to work, Bob just sent me a list of some new rods to play with. So I better go to the GR for a month and play with them.
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My first spey rod should be arriving any day. Looking forward to learning a new way to catch the fish that haunts my dreams!
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Numpqua76
Welcome and I am sure you will enjoy the new challenges presented by the spey rod and its casting/mending ability. There are some very knowledgeable people posting on this board so look through the threads and links from this board.
BG
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just picked up a pre release loomis scan rod, what a cannon, was underhanding and shooting 100' in my yard before failing light brought me in. can't wait to get her into fish..
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great lakes chrome intercepter
gotta be a 2 hander
i am lost in spey abyss, so he says
blah blah blah,
BG's buddy, BG is my personal rod handler
i let hal carry my long rod while on the stream
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Fred
Looks like I have to go to work, Bob just sent me a list of some new rods to play with. So I better go to the GR for a month and play with them.
WAR IS HELL!! Darn, and double darn. :>)
Picked up Bob's 16' six section 7-8-9 for field testing (first proto which has already been 'tweeked') and it's a frigging CANNON. Another great spey caster (I'm not in that league by any stretch) referred to it as the 'FES Mach II) and after a day/morning of using the rod that was an understatement.
This rod, lined with a 8/9 SA XLT will empty the reel even with two 'feathered bricks' for flys. Mind blowing long rod!!!
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Hal, are you now posting under two (orig and new) names???
Sigh .. we love you as you are ... twisted or not.
:>)
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noot sure who hal is, does he know anything about two handed casting????
did derek, simon, or mike m teach him?
if so i would like to see him handle the long rod....
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BG's buddy, BG is my personal rod handler
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I was thinking the same thing.
Hmmmm... too fast a response for innocence, Fred. Let's see - style looks and sounds the similar, they both misspell simple words, and a DETERMINED guy could use a "work" and a "home" address....
Well, it LOOKS like a duck, and QUACKS like a duck.......
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LOL. They are two different guys. LOL. Thought the same thing myself awhile back. But it's not.
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Yeah Fred and Bobk I have time to actually fool around with multiple IDs just to confuse you fellows. LOL
Fred the check the Internet site ID you can see on Admin on each post and you can see it is not me. I do have two I post on but neither are the one above. Sorry Bobk you cannot see it without Admin viewing privileges.
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I like to fish with a double hander although I never rule out spey casting with a single hander. It is a great and versatile set of casts. As a rule I tend to only use a double hander when salmon fishing although it is starting to become more popular in the UK for a variety of fishing. Mainly including sea trout (limey steelheads) and when fishing in the sea.
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UK Bass I wondered about that, don't hear much about that over here but I surfed to some sites last winter and was surprized to see them over there.
BG
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BG,
The European Sea Bass (Dicentrarchus labrax) does not get a chance to grow to the size of their cousins in the US. Stripers I have caught in Cape Cod are much bigger thanks to some good fishery policies which States over their have. We are slowly getting there, although it will take a while, as we are dealing with a number of European countries with short sighted fisheries policies. In the UK we have recently introduced a ban on pair trawling within our coastal waters, although moves to get this made European law by the British Government were blocked by the French and the Spanish Governments who are the main culprits for decimating fish stocks – protectionism in its very worst form. You may guess it is something I am quite passionate about.
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Sigh...... have to hand back a 'proto' (first generation/second is already out there for field testing) 16' (to use Russ' comment) the FES Mack II. I'd have called it the FES on steroids.
This is not a rod for 'short heads,' it demands a long taper line like the SA XLT (I used a 7/8 and 8/9 on the rod as well as the Airflo long belly Delta)or Grand Spey.
With the 8/9 line on this rod litterly ripped two feathered bricks out of the water. How far will it cast? The two bricks (a few casts later) ended up decorating a tree on the far side of the river.
This rod will be over kill for low water work, but for larger water/winter steelheading it could turn into 'the cats meow!'
Darn! Forgot to add: JME, welcome to our side of the Pond!!
Fred
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