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SPEY LINE WEIGHTS AND HEAD LENGTHS
THIS DATA IS AS OT FEBRUARY 4, 2004
MANUFACTURE LENGTH WIGHT IN GRAINS
SA XLT-6/7F 90 790
SA XLT-7/8F 90 880
SA XLT-8/9F 90 990
SA XLT-9/10F 92 1050
SA XLT-10/11F 102 1265
RIO GRANDSPEY 7/8 80 900
RIO GRANDSPEY 8/9 100 1100
RIO GRANDSPEY 9/10 100 1300
RIO GRANDSPEY 10/11 100 1500
RIO MIDSPEY 6/7 65 490
RIO MIDSPEY 7/8 65 560
RIO MIDSPEY 8/9 65 640
RIO MIDSPEY 9/10 65 725
RIO MIDSPEY 10/11 65 875
RIO MIDSPEY 11/12 65 1100
RIO WINDCUTTER 5/6 50.5" 380
RIO WINDCUTTER 6/7/8 54'6" 455
RIO WINDCUTTER 7/8/9 54'6" 525
RIO WINDCUTTER 8/9/10 54'6" 585
RIO WINDCUTTER 9/10/ /11 54'6" 650
RIO WINDCUTTER 10/11/12 54'6" 740
RIO WINDCUTTER 11/12/13 54'6" 900
WINDCUTTER UPGRADE 6/ 7/8 69'6" 600
WINDCUTTER UPGRADE 7/8/9 69'6" 680
WINDCUTTER UPGRADE 8/9/10 69'6" 750
WINDCUTTER UPGRADE 9/10/11 69'6" 860
WINDCUTTER UPGRADE 10/11/12 69'6" 970
AIRFLO DELTA SPEY WF 6/7F 50'6" 500
AIRFLO DELTA SPEY WF 7/8F 52' 530
AIRFLO DELTA SPEY WF 8/9F 53' 575
AIRFLO DELTA SPEY WF 9/10F 55' 630
AIRFLO DELTA SPEY WF 10/11F 56'6" 690
AIRFLO DELTA SPEY WF 11/12F 57' 770
AIRFLO LONG DELTA SPEY WF 6/7F 61'6" 550
AIRFLO LONG DELTA SPEY WF 7/8F 63' 580
AIRFLO LONG DELTA SPEY WF 8/9F 65'6" 630
AIRFLO LONG DELTA SPEY WF 9/10F 66' 690
AIRFLO LONG DELTA SPEY WF 10/11F 67' 770
AIRFLO TRADITIONAL SPEY WF 7/8 F 82 650
AIRFLO TRADITIONAL SPEY WF 8/9F 84 725
AIRFLO TRADITIONAL SPEY WF 9/10F 85.5 800
AIRFLO TRADITIONAL SPEY WF 10/11F 87 900
LOOP ADAPTED LINE 9/10 F 10.7M
34.75 FT 456
LOOP ADAPTED LINE 10/11 F 11.2M
36.4 FT 618
HARDY MACH I WF 8/9 39ft
12 meters 21 grams 324 grains
HARDY MACH I WF 9/10 14.5 meters 47.5ft
14.5 meters 30 grams 463 grains
HARDY MACH I WF 10/11 15.9 meters 52 feet 42 grams 648 grains
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Some More:
SA Mastery Spey Line Data March, 2004
Head length ft. (not including rear taper) Head wt. grains Head wt. grams Level belly length ft. Level belly wt./ft. grains Level belly wt./ft. grams Total Length ft. Rear Taper Length ft. Rear Taper wt. (estimated, grains) Total head wt. including rear taper, grains
Short Head Spey
6/7 47 450 29.2 20 12.6 0.82 120 12 69 519
7/8 49 550 35.6 20 14.3 0.93 120 12 81 631
8/9 51 650 42.1 20 16.5 1.07 120 12 92 742
9/10 53 750 48.6 22 18.0 1.16 130 12 102 852
10/11 55 850 55.1 22 19.2 1.25 130 12 111 961
Spey
6/7 59 450 29.2 25 8.9 0.58 130 15 69 519
7/8 59 550 35.6 25 11.2 0.72 130 15 84 634
8/9 64 650 42.1 30 12.2 0.79 130 15 91 741
9/10 64 750 48.6 30 14.3 0.93 130 15 105 855
10/11 69 850 55.1 35 14.6 0.94 130 15 111 961
XLT
6/7 90 787 51 120 20 105 892
7/8 90 876 56.75 130 20 117 993
8/9 90 988 64 130 20 132 1119
9/10 92 1049 68 140 20 137 1186
10/11 102 1233 79.9 140 20 145 1378
Tri Tip 15' tip wt.grains Floating head wt. grains 15' tip wt. grams Floating head wt. grams Total wt. grains Floating head length w/o tip Head length with tips attached Rear Taper length ft.
8 135 468 8.78 30.3 603 45 60 6
9 137 556 8.91 36 693 50 65 6
10 155 625 10.02 40.5 780 50 65 6
11 177 718 11.5 46.5 895 50 65 6
Tri Tip Head weights DO include the rear taper
All Tri Tip tips are 15 ft. long and weigh the same.
Tips: floating, clear intermediate, Type 4
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Thanks for the info. Brian (or anyone else for that matter), have you heard the rumour that supposedly rod manufacturers may start labeling rods by grains to load vs. AFTMA wt? Can't remember if I heard that from Fred, or read it in a magazine. If memory serves me right Meiser goes off grains for his rods. Anyone????
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Your right SH69
Bob Meiser is going to label all his rods that way, I'm just helping out.
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Ok, new you were. It does help. I was just curious if other rod manufacturers are heading that way.
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Thanks for the info. Brian (or anyone else for that matter), have you heard the rumour that supposedly rod manufacturers may start labeling rods by grains to load vs. AFTMA wt? Can't remember if I heard that from Fred, or read it in a magazine. If memory serves me right Meiser goes off grains for his rods. Anyone????
T'was I; Meiser is the first I'm aware of to now rate his new rods (and will probably 'retro-fit' existing models) to 'grain recommendations' rather than calling a rod a 7, or 8 or what-ever.
Where this make grand sense is a spey line will cost you in the neighborhood of $75 ... lot of money to waste! on a "wrong choice." Even the configuration of the line (WF vs. extended taper) will have a huge effect on rod loading.
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What some technical data which makes sense is coming to the darkness of spey line and rod world, it appears. LOL
Thanks Brian I am in the market for some new lines. This will help.
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Yup, this does help alot. Growing up, makes alot of sense now. I know I had a couple fly rods of same size. My backup rod was a cheap graphite I had bought originally. Then moved up to a nicer made rod with better reel and line. My casting improved dramatically. I had grabbed the wrong rod since I was in a hurry. So grabbed the old graphite rod, but my new reel/line. Guess what happened that day? My old crappy rod cast like a dream. Thought I had improved my skills (which I had). So tried it again the next day in the grass with the other reel/line. Back to feeling crappy again.
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The first six months I had my spey rod I put an old WF 9/0 floater on it and you know it did not cast too bad but what the heck I always had the fast sinking heads on it so the casting was always awkward. After 24 years I am used to it though.
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Well now that I have read all of this about lines I am now a whole lot dumber than I thought I was. When I first got into fly fishing many,many years ago it was simple. Now it isn't so easy any more so many different lines and szes of lines.
Oh,what's an old man to do.
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Now all we have to do is find out what gram weight of line the manufacturer of our spey rods recommend for the model (s) you have.
Jim remember the old fly line types: HDH, HCH, HGH etc.. now that was rocket science. Think I still have one of those lines on my old Plueger Medalist 1494 or 1492 trout fly reels.
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oldman_1 said:
Well now that I have read all of this about lines I am now a whole lot dumber than I thought I was. When I first got into fly fishing many,many years ago it was simple. Now it isn't so easy any more so many different lines and szes of lines.
Oh,what's an old man to do.
Jim
 Trust me, it has NOTHING to do with "IQ;" this what line/what rod ... has been going on for years. I've probably (I pale to insig. in front of the 'Miez's boxes of lines) have spent 7-8 hundred bucks .. and I'm 'still searching' for the NERVANA!! line for a given rod.
Spey rods are a very expensive mistress ... well, a Redhead will cost you more; very, very high main... NEVER MIND!   
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Well I'll tell you how dumb I am. I got a Mieser rod to play with for a week and in my exciment to go I don't even remember what line I have. All I know is that the rod is a 11'7" a 5/6/7 or something like that. Was just happy to have a good spey rod tp play with but not the river are not cooperating. I think that the line is a Hardy something or other. You can find out all that I was talking about from Homer2handed. I ain't smart enough to remember all the details.
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Hardy Mach 1 8/9
Hows that YoungMan 1
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Well I'll tell you how dumb I am. I got a Mieser rod to play with for a week and in my exciment to go I don't even remember what line I have. All I know is that the rod is a 11'7" a 5/6/7 or something like that. Was just happy to have a good spey rod tp play with but not the river are not cooperating. I think that the line is a Hardy something or other. You can find out all that I was talking about from Homer2handed. I ain't smart enough to remember all the details.
Jim
Good choice; a cracker jack rod. Line it with a Windcutter 5/6 (which is what you probably had). Wonderful light rod for 'half pounders/river trouting.'
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Fred Fred Fred,
Try the Hardy Mach 1 8/9
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I was really winging them out there today. I like this line almost as good as tha SA line that we were using last week.
Have also figured out my problem. I had three different guys trying to show me how to cast so I took it on myself to do it my way and it works But thanks to Aaron,Mike,and Brian to get me started in the right direction.
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Fred Fred Fred,
Try the Hardy Mach 1 8/9
I'll assume this is a line (grain weight) that also would work with this rod. The thing that's gotten my attention is the number of rod manufacturers who are 'mateing' up their rods with the Hardy lines at 'trade shows.'
Next to the Carron line, these are some of the slickest, best casting lines I've ever used.
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