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Ive heard rumors that people have been seen fishing the lower puke already. These people forgetting to read their reg books or what?
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Have you been hearing Commencement Bay at the mouth or the actual river?
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The nets have been in for at least a week. There are probably "sports fisherpeople" who haven't read the always changing regs. lately.
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Or they are fishing for that elusive Puyallup R. summer steelhead. Yeah, right.
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on my to and from work i have seen the nets a few times, and some cars on the bank a couple of times but no poles. poeple just looking at the water?
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I have seen a couple of knuckleheads fishing it around the first of august. There is always a few in the crowd.
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Hey people, not be rude, but one of those people fishing is me. And yes I am fishing for salmon or steelhead or whatever jumps on my hook. But when I do catch one I am not keepin it unless it is a hatchery steelhead. The regs say the river does not open to keep salmon until september first, but it doesn't say that you can't catch and release until then, so quit whinning. Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention that this knucklehead(as described by kongelaks) is also using a single barbless hook just like the regs say to do. So go ahead, call Fish and Game if you want, but when they get down there and see that I'm not doing anything illegal, they are going to be very disappointed.
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I would submit that the disappointment will be when you are in court explaining why your using obvious salmon gear and saying that your fishing for Trout. There are no summer run steelhead in the Puyallup. Catch and release of an out of season specie dosen't stand up in court. Single barbless hooks are fine, for Salmon. Not required for Trout. Your gear suggests intent to the cops. If you have the time and money to sit in court, that is your choice. Let us know how you turn out.
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Trouthead, that is where you are wrong my friend. The Puyallup does have a small run of summer hatchery steelhead even if WDFW doesn't plant them.I have seen them. You should call the Go-Fish-N tackle shop on main street in puyallup and talk to the owner, Rawleigh Hedrick, he will set you straight about the no summer-run theory.
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The Puyallup does have a small run of summer hatchery steelhead even if WDFW doesn't plant them.I have seen them.
I'm sure they are eay to spot in the "dialed-in" brown puke. Sounds like your trying hard to justify your actions. What your selling...nobody is buying.
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floatandjig: You can't target a species if they are not open, even if you just CnR. And about Summer runs? There might be some strays.
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Hey floatandjig,
Check out page 26 of the WA fishing regs: "All FRESHWATER areas are CLOSED to fishing for SALMON ... unless listed as open in Special Rules"
My interpretation of "CLOSED to fishing" includes a prohibition of catch and release for salmon on the Puyallup until it opens for salmon. The Special Rules for salmon, which identifies the dates for the open season in any particular freshwater area, is not restricted to just fishing to "possess/keep" fish, but is also inclusive of CNR.
I don't like your chances before a judge if you challenged a ticket for CNR salmon fishing.
Oh yeah, not that it makes a difference in this discussion, but I am a lawyer...
Edited by Baitsoaker (08/18/04 10:51 AM)
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Redhook,and anyone else who doesn't believe me, dial (253) 840-9802 and ask this guy if there are summer runs in the puyallup. He runs a shop right next to the river, and he's the one that told me a few summer runs were being caught. If they didn't want people to fish the river right now then they should have closed it for every species.
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I stop in the tackle shop and talk to Raleigh, no question, he is a good guy and I like to support the local business. But, he is in the business of selling tackle.....and why the paper even reports on the puyallup during the summer is a waste of ink. Now, beginning sept 1st...different story 
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Floatandjig:
You are misreading my post. All I said is that the river is closed to SALMON. It is open to TROUT, which includes summer steelhead. You are not going to get in trouble if you are clearly using steelhead and/or trout gear to intentionally target steelhead and/or trout.
However, if you are intentionally targeting SALMON, even if CNR, you're breaking the law. If you are intentionally targeting steelhead, which admittedly uses some tackle/gear that is usable with salmon, you are NOT breaking the law (assuming that you do release any incidentally caught salmon).
In contrast, using steelhead fishing as a DISGUISE for salmon fishing (even if CNR) is clearly a violation.
You can call the Dept and ask them a slight variation to your original question (rather than simply, "Are there summer runs in the Puyallup"): "Is CNR of salmon during closed salmon seasons legal or illegal?" I can almost guarantee that they will say "illegal".
With regards to your comment that they "would have closed the entire river if they did not want people fishing in it", check out all of the other rivers in the region, such as the Skagit, Stilly, etc. that are currently open for steelhead but generally do not open for salmon until Sept. They have not "closed these rivers entirely to fishing"
One interesting thing to note: the help desk at the Dept of FW is staffed by persons, who like us, only interpret the rules and try to enforce them. It is ultimately the judge that will decide on the correct interpretation. It is not uncommon for the FW help desk to give an incorrect answer.
Edited by Baitsoaker (08/18/04 11:11 AM)
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Baitsoaker, how are they going to determine whether you are fishing for sttelhead or salmon. You have to use large salmon type gear no matter what your fishing for because of the lack of water clarity. In this colored water, I'm not going to catch a steelhead on small #14 corkies and a piece of shrimp like I would use on clearer rivers.
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Floatandjig:
It is ultimately up to your own personal ethics. I value this sport too much to risk breaking the law, just for the thrill of catching an out-of-season species.
The field officers will use their discretion to determine whether you are fishing for SH or salmon. "Intent" is indeed a gray area, particularly since steelhead and salmon tackle are similar, if not identical, under many conditions. You're probably not going to have a problem with the enforcement officials and the judge if you can, with a clear conscience, tell them that you are targeting steelhead, and that you are not targeting salmon and plan on releasing any incidentally caught salmon. But if you tell them explicitly that you are INTENTIONALLY targeting salmon, that's where the trouble begins.
I wish I can give better advice than that, but like I said, discretion of the officers and determining intent is not an exact science...
How about just taking a break from the Puyallup until Sept? Sept is not too far away.
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#10 Corkie is the biggest I've ever used in the Puyallup, even before Bolt. I like #12's for Salmon or Steelhead no matter what the color is in the Puyallup.
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I had no idea this would turn into a bitch fest, but for the last few years I have fished the lower puyallup almost every day of the week for a two month stretch and have never seen or heard of a summer steelhead being caught.
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I'm not going to catch a steelhead on small #14 corkies and a piece of shrimp like I would use on clearer rivers.
I have to agree with TroutHead on this one. Even in the muddiest of Sept. water on the Puyallup I will use #14's or smaller, perhaps doubled up. It has always been very productive and no these fish are not flossed. 
As for the regs, I would say your sticking your neck out there. Most Judges are going to side with the fact that the waters are closed to Salmon until September 1st. As a true sportsman you should respect the fact that they are trying to protect the Chinook Runs. Ya it sucks that we can't fish in August on the Puy. I've been fishing that river since I was 12, but there will still be plenty of fish come September.
As for Summer Steel, I say a few very early Fish if anything, like maybe 3. Heck they only got less then 50 winter-run fish at the hatchery this year, so summer run, I doubt it. 
Floatajig, your first few post on this board where ones to get people fired up. You threw out some info on the Cow and then said it was to see peoples reactions. So, you got them and then tried to say that is not your normal tone. I think it is. Your always posting stuff, then trying to prove to everyone how wrong we all are. I'm not sure what you are trying to do but I think there is a better way of gaining respect on this board...
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Trouthead, that is where you are wrong my friend. The Puyallup does have a small run of summer hatchery steelhead even if WDFW doesn't plant them.I have seen them.
So how many summer runs and how many salmon have you caught?
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Firefish, your catching salmon not steelhead. When I'm steelhead fishing, there are hardly any fish in the river. When the salmon get in there, I've seen practically anything work. I usually use two #12 orange corkies with red yarn and some kind of scent for steelhead or salmon in this river. That's why they should have closed the river for all species until sept. first if saving the chinook is really what they are trying to do. Instead of bit#$ing at me, you guys should try and crack down on the people who are exclusively after chinook and retaining them. And I do understand that they are trying to protect the chinook, that is why I said if I had caught one that it would have went back anyway. What I'm basically trying to say is that I'm after steelhead, but if a salmon strikes, I ain't gonna be pissed. I get the fight, and then the fish goes back into the river to spawn. And I'm sorry if the cowlitz thing affended you, but I still think that anybody can drag a bait on the cow and catch fish. The only skill involved is the person controlling the boat and keeping it at the right speed etc.
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I've caught one summer run and no salmon so far this year. And redhook, when I said "I've seen them" I meant dead on the bank by other fishermen who caught them. You obviously can't see them swimming in the river.
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Neurosis, most of them are caught in the upper puyallup or carbon, but I've heard of people catching them lower when they were in better shape and fresh from the ocean.
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FloataJig, Your Cow thing didn't offend me, as I usually don't fish the Cow. Yes I went down for the Cowtilla and took my boys camping, had enjoyment out of watching my kids hook steelhead and spent time with a lot of board members who are worth spending time with.
I think if you are really after summer runs, then fish a few of the rivers that produce summer runs worth chasing. I'm not talking the cow, I'm talking low clear water where presentation is everything and the pursue of the fish is where it is at.
You said when fishing for summers on the Puy, if you hook a Salmon it's worth the fight or you'll take the fight, something like that. Well go fish for summers on a river where summers are and if you are successful you'll have the fight your looking for.
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Floatnjig, there is quite a few species in the Puyallup. But not in big enough quantities to warrant trying to target (you'd have better luck on other rivers for summerruns). I've fished this river all my live, and grew up a few blocks off of it in fact. My first steelhead came off it almost 30 years ago. BUT, there has NEVER been much of a summerrun in it for as long as I can remember (maybe before I was born probably). But we'd always turn south or to the coast for summerruns. Plus, just because one owns a shop on/near the river, doesn't mean it's a "given". Yes, there are summerruns upriver, I've caught them when I worked in McMillan years ago. But if you're fishing when obviously there are salmon coming in, chances are you're gonna get nailed. Luckily for me, I fish the lower end, so the gear used for kings vs. steelhead are MUCH different. So no doubt what you're fishing for just by looking at the tackkle.
Oh, and by chance are the people down on the lower end (in the dyke area on N. Levee) cleaning out their plunking holes? We would always head down and start cleaning out our plunking holes for salmon and steelhead (we'd hit them in different spots) right around August. Which, growing up, we would hit fish in first of August while we cleaned out our fishing holes (we'd set up a rod while we were doing it, since we were cleaning out around it), but wouldn't really start hitting hot until the fair opened.
I agree with the rest. So far, you've done alot of "troll" posts to date. If you didn't plan on it, well you are. I realize you are young, but what you "think" is legal, will probably land you in court with a blemish on your record and a nice fine. There's a difference between your beliefs and "reality". Especially when their have been people who have been proclaiming (and those are the same who've bitched the most about the closure in the first place) that they'll start "Summerrun fishing the Puyallup lol". Well, I'm sure there are enforcement officers who read these forums. And chances are, they are prepared to pretty much give all those who want to try and "skirt" the law a rude awakening. But why risk the chance to do it?
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Firefish, I do fish rivers such as the green, and the Kalama on the weekends, but I fish the Puyallup during the week because it is so close to my home, and if I have an hour or two to kill, then that's the river I fish. Steelheader69, I don't care if the run is small or not, it is worth trying because I enjoy fishing unpressured waters and there are very few people fishing because "Your better off fishing a river with more fish". Well, hooking one steelhead a month would make me happy since I don't have to fish elbow to elbow to do it. I am sorry about the negetivty in my post however, and I will try to tone it down, I just get angry when people call others knuckleheads for fishing a river that doesn't have a great run, and the runs are intermixed. My main reason for this is just to get away from the crowds. And you get smaller crowds when there are fewer fish around and you have to work for them.
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FnJ, not going to debate this with you. Most people want to fish rivers uncrowded, and there are plenty of places to go that will give you that, with better runs of summerruns in it. But calling knuckleheads isn't referring to those fishing summerruns, it's those fishing SALMON under the pretenses that they're fishing steelhead. There's a difference between working hard and working smart. But you said you don't like people who call people names for fishing rivers that don't have a great run. Well, the Puyuallup doesn't even have what you'd call a so so run. It's got an extremely poor run of summerruns. Seems you have your mind set, and that's it. So if you want to fish it, fish it. But most who've been around the block leave what fish are in there this time of year alone (as in summerruns).
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Steel69, I'm fishing for steelhead with salmon being an accidental catch. I'm not trying to turn salmon fishing into steelhead fishing. But I'm also not going to stop because the illegal chinook are in the river. I will just let them go. I don't need them anyway. Lets start a new topic!
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this seems kinda strange that folks are making such a huge deal over some one trying to catch steelies and enjoying C&R salmon if they bite.
i've seen more then my share of posts on this board of folks going to the skagit to fish summer steelies and hammering the kings. so what's the differance?
not say i agree or disagree with the tacktic but it's all the same.
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