steelheadstan
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I have had several labs and trained them myself, and they have always turned out to be decent dogs. Mostly because they were good dogs and not becuase of my animal training abilitites. I have a new lab pup and I would like to spend more time with him and train him in more detail and more like a field trial dog. Does anyone have a suggestions for a good book(s), video(s) to buy? There are a ton out there.
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Contact steve at greatland kennels. He has a ton of info depending on which direction you want to go. Thats where my pup came from and he helped alot on turning him into a huntin machine. good luck
http://www.greatlandkennels.com/
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With all training methods out there, there one valuable tool to never forget.
It's CRAP. What is crap you say well, listen closely...
C = consistency Be consistent
R = Repetition Always start with commands the dog
knows, before teaching him new ones.
A = Association Remember he has to ba able to
associate what you are teaching him.
P = Praise Remember to always praise hime when
he gets it right. Dogs live to please
One final thought. Always end your training on a positive note. And remember, puppies are like children and have a limited attention span.
PS: CRAP Works on kids too. 
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my dog don't know "CRAP". i didn't have much time for training when he was growing due to working too much. he has taught himself how to hunt pheasant pretty good though, on the job training. my first dog though, he was full of "CRAP". i took a course on how to train my own dog. we trained at least 5 nights a week for an hour or so. the guy who taught the course is bob gribble. that's the only info i have on him though. i think he has a booth at the sportsman show in puyallup every year.
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steelheadstan
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Thanks for the advice so far, but what I am really looking for is something on advanced skills such as double and triple markings, hand and whistle commands for blind retrieves, collar training. I know there are lots of books and videos out there, and wondered if someone has used any of these with success.
Kenai, I contaced Great Land and am waiting for a response. Thanks.
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steelheader63
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my first dog buddy did all that and more at 8 months of age. he woulda won alot of field trials for sure and probly woulda been "master hunter" had i went there, but who's got the time for that. that dog taught me. any way i hope you find the info you're looking for.
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Look for the videos by Mike Lardy. He is probably the most successful handler there is right now. Ever heard of Lean Mac? He was the trainer.
I haven't seen the videos, but I hear they are highly recommended.
The vids can give you guidance but like SH63 mentioned, it takes time and alot of training to be able to get them to the trips and handling stuff. Be prepared to put in some time if you want a dog like you described.
I used to train about 3-4 times a week also and didn't get close to touching most of the field dogs today. You have to make it a full time job to acheive the results people do.
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Also, check this site out if you haven't already....
www.retrievertraining.net
There's a BB too.
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A good freind of mine used to train Labs and won a lot of trials back in the day. I watched as he trained his last one.It was awesome and inspiring to see what a pro can do. I'll see if he has any resources-- what he did with that dog seemed to come naturally since he had done it so much. He quit training because he was frustrated at turning over well trained dogs to boneheads who didnt understand them. Anyhoo, I'll see if he can recommend anything.
When I got my current dog I was self employed and had tons of time to spend with him in my shop. Also, he was able to get used to other people--he was a bona fide shop dog and people greeter. Folks used to stop by just to pet the dog and have coffee.
There is no substitute for spending time with the dog and establishing yourself as the boss by gaining the dogs respect through consistency. Every time the dog comes to heel it does it the same way,when he walks at heel he does it the same way at the same distance,etc...When you give commands speak them the same way every time and expect obedience on the first command. My pooch was sitting, laying,staying, fetching and speaking on command at 6 months old without me saying a word. Not a big deal, anyone can train a dog to hand signals but nothing irks me more than dog owners thinking their animal can understand english if they can just yell it loudly enough.
In my opinion the most important thing to remember is consistency--what is right is always right, what is wrong is always wrong. No matter what mood you are in or how tired you are you have to be consistent and composed. If you get frustrated stop the training session because it will do more harm than good. Go light on punishment and HEAVY on reward. I read a book in which the author said a rolled up newspaper was a great way to teach dicipline...when you get frustrated with your dog whack yourself on head with it then end the session immediately and just play with the dog.
Put in the time, understand the dogs natural view of life, give them lots of praise when they do what you want them to and most dogs will willingly learn anything that you want to teach them.
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Steelhead Stan, I believe Jerry Patopia (spelling) is over in the Gooding area. He's been training retrievers for a long long time and used to run the trials all over the west. (probably still does?) might try looking him up.
Best, Paul
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Jerry is an awesome trainer. My Buddy trained with him for a few years. He's in Oregon, near Sauvie Island (or on it) I believe. He still runs trials and ran a dog in the Nationals not to long ago.
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