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It shouldn't be anybody against anybody.
This in not a battleground, it is a place for both sides to state their opinions with out purposely offending the other side.
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Trex the same "fog of war" occurred in the years immediately following Boldt.
Hey Bux how's it going? 
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I am freezing. Trying to down a nice warm cup of Macadamia/Coconut Tea to warm up. I think I need to move to Hawaii!
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Bux, do not try to pull a Wango. There are no steelhead in Hawaii. 
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Actually I do believe they raise them at the huge aquaculture site over there. Powerbait is what I'd go with Bux. 
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No Aunty, I still love Washington. Although I am considering the purchase of a condo on one of the islands.
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Bux, did I tell you lately what a wonderful guy you are and how much I admire your hard work?
(worth a try to suck up in advance isn't it?)
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Okay,
I have a way to solve this. Beers and thumb wrestling at Bob's tavern in Shelton.
To quote my two personal life coaches, "Can't we all just get along?", and "That's a good thing!"
I work with math all day long, and I'll tell you what I think. Statistics will be used by either side to prove the other guy, or very nice lady, wrong. I do it from time to time to make a deal fly that is on the edge.
Let's shake and call it a day. Okay?
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Well Dog I just got the figures I wanted today. It's gonna take me a bit to wade threw them. I'm not doing it to prove anybody wrong or right. I'm doing it for me.
If you choose that I not share what I have, here. Just slap a lock on this thread. I understand.
I like what the warden said in "Cool Hand Luke" better.
"What we have here, is a failure to communicate."
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I'd like to hear what Trex has to say.  Nice and civil in here now Andy. 
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The 1988 WDF Annual Report states that over the prior 15 years the sport and commercial crab fisheries were relatively constant at 2.5 million pounds per year. In the 1987-88 season the commercials landed 1.4 millionpounds and the sporties took about 800,000 pounds in approximately 250,000 user trips. Increased tribal interest in the fishery landed about 200,000 pounds.
For the coast it states that historical harvest has averaged around 7.25 million pounds. Due to extreme abundance cycle fluctuations the harvest between 1981 and 1987 averaged only 3 million pounds per year. That is quite a different picture than the one issued by the legislation proponents implying there is a continuous wealth of crab in the coastal fishery. 30 million pounds is certainly a high point and not sustainable.
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Numbers fluctuate, makes sense, but doesn't change my opinion about commercial crabbing in the sound, which is get the commercial crabbers out of the sound. Unless of course the Tribes declare foregone opportunity.
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Quill,
I don't think there are any amoung us that do not share the same opinion.
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Now then folks.
I got three things sent to me I want to post up. But unfortunately I lack the computer skills to get threw the Steelheader method. Is there someone perhaps a MOD that might wish to post these things up? Or is there some place that tells dumbies how to post up attachemnts?
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Can you copy & paste?
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OK, cool, from reading this thread I wasn't sure of that, but I guess I misunderstood, but I'll tell you one thing, I ain't re-reading any of it.
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I've tried C&P. Can't get this stuff to do it. I have it on e-mail and inside my machine. I am able to post it up over on Gamefishin as a link. But I know how that board works.
Quill- Ya read it again and all you'll get is a headache. I know It's given myself several.
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Trex,
Sent you a PM. I think I can help.
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I gotta notta in my received folder.
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Send them to me and I'll get them uploaded.
Steven.D.Holets@Boeing.com
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Trouthead--Did you get the e-mail?
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One of the most important items in regards to crab management in Puget Sound is the CRC system. As it stands now this next year due to the crab endorsement requirement on new CRCs the harvest estimate method will only be querying known recreational crabbers instead of blindly calling a random selection of CRC holders in search of those who crabbed. This will substantially increase the number of of crab cards used in the harvest estimates. Which is a good thing in statistics. But...if the proportion of catches at the extreme high end remain the same as before even with the larger number of crabbers enumerated the variance around the mean won't necessarily change. What this means is that you will have a different(theoretically more accurate) average harvest per successful crabber but still have the reported 35 to 40 % plus or minus margin of error. Going to a season limit will eliminate those extremes and help to reduce this margin of error in the estimates. Note that the estimates of harvest are based only on a measure of successful crabbers and then expanded to estimate the harvest for all crabbers....not all of those of which may even catch a single crab.
This make any sense?
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That's nice
Yah OK fine
Okey Dokey
Huh?????
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Confusing tain't it? Imagine sigting in a rifle. You have a bulleseye you want to hit. The new CRC estimate will likely be nearer the bulleseye but the spread of hits around it will still be the same dimensions. That clearer?
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Got nadda on my end Trex.
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Those rotten guys.
OK, try:
Trouthead@worldnet.net.att
I can access that one from here also.
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Your gonna love this-- my server rejected this address.
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Ok, this one is my screw-up. Sorry. The address is: Trouthead@worldnet.att.net
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