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LORDIE did I hit the right line for this rod today. Loaded same with a Airflo #7 long belly Delta. With the other lines I tried a few days ago I was 'maxing out' at about 70 feet of line/leader.
With this hummer loaded try the 90-100 foot range with a TWO fly set up. Effortless casting, tight D loops, beautiful lay out over the river from rod tip to second fly!!
YA BABY!! You just gotta love this rod for low water work!!
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Gotta agree with you, Fred. When I got my TFO 12-6wgt from Mike to test drive, he sent along the same line. After casting on the river and fishing with thr rod and line I bought both. Even with my limited casting experience, I'm getting nice casts out to 70-90 feet. I love it when it works right.
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I think it is true, the little rods with lite lines require much less effort. I wanted to ask how you rig your two fly setup. Do you tie the extension to the bend?
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Doug Gillingham, I'm replying to your e-mail but they are being returned. MJC
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Better tell TFO cause they don't have any spey line recommendations on their site. As usual, its everyone for self as far as spey line selection for your rod.
Not all of us are as fortunate as Mr. Evans to own almost every spey line type and rod made. LOL
BG
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Hey BG, In the same amount of time it took you to look at the TFO site you could have looked at the Rio site and got the info you wanted.
http://www.rioproducts.com/pages/speyrecs.asp
or you could have looked at my site and found out the same thing.
http://www.redshedflyshop.com/TEMPLEFORK.html?1109623258840
Why do you want to make it harder then it really is?
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Why because it is hard for the masses of people
It should be on the rod manufacturer's site. We don't have all day to hunt around the internet for this important information.
What is the status of the spey line standards implementation anyway ? Its been silence since the first announcement months ago.
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BG, I really don't think you are giving the "masses of people" enough credit. Your first sentence almost has an elitest ring to it.
As to having all day, you have logged far more then enough internet time concerning spey tackle/fishing to have merorized all of the rod/line info in existence. Here is an excerpt from one of your posts "I ran into Mr. Evans on a certain internet fly fishing site in November of 2001 thats how !! Its been the "Spey Abyss" ever since. LOL". To each his own but I certainly would not admit to being that slow a learner.
As to the status of the spey line standards, I have no idea. They are not really all that important to me because no matter how much this stuff is standardized the only sure way to get spey tackle that will work for any given caster is to test it on the water. Everything else is some percent of a crap shoot.
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Verne said:
I think it is true, the little rods with lite lines require much less effort. I wanted to ask how you rig your two fly setup. Do you tie the extension to the bend?
Verne, sorry been off line for a few days so missed your post. Best way I've found is to tie "eye to eye." The upper fly MUST be the heavier of the two, and also hangs below the leader in the form of the letter 'J.' This keeps the leader to the trailer out of the way and promotes 'better hook-ups on the top fly.
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Thanks Fred, I hadn't thought of doing it that way, but it makes sense for what I want to do.
Things aren't good here, no fish and my spey casting has gone to h--l.
Has anyone tried the two fly slider system ala Lannie Waller?
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New one on me, how does it work?
I can relate to 'crummy fishing;' will the fishing is good, the 'catching' is the pits. Water is still running at 800 cfs (or less!!) out of warm springs dam. Winter fish are REFUSING to move above Grants Pass into the upper river.
Max rod rating right now would be an 8wt, many of us are using 6 and 7 wt spey rods. Wonder what a 10-15# winter run would be like on the TF-6? 
POOIE!!
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Quote by FAE:"Wonder what a 10-15# winter run would be like on the TF-6?"
While you might be doing a little truck driver talk as you scamble around I think the TFO 6wt is up to the job. That little stick has some cahonas.
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Redshed
There you go again talking about the BIG rigs!
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I didn't say nothin about trucks, BIG rigs, 18 wheelers, or semis, just the "old dogs" that drive them.
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I had to watch his video again. He puts the leader through the eye of a muddler, then he ties a blood knot adding 3' of leader and ties a fly on the tip. The muddler just sides on the leader, stopped by the blood knot. I haven't tried it, but I always wondered if an angry steelhead wouldn't pull the blood knot through the eye.
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I had to watch his video again. He puts the leader through the eye of a muddler, then he ties a blood knot adding 3' of leader and ties a fly on the tip. The muddler just sides on the leader, stopped by the blood knot. I haven't tried it, but I always wondered if an angry steelhead wouldn't pull the blood knot through the eye.
Interesting, but I'm not sure what that 'concoction' would add to the party. 
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Quote by Fred:"Interesting, but I'm not sure what that 'concoction' would add to the party."
I don't know what it adds to the party either but that is a great way to fish two or three soft hackles. The doubles are quite exciting!
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As to the status of the spey line standards, I have no idea. They are not really all that important to me because no matter how much this stuff is standardized the only sure way to get spey tackle that will work for any given caster is to test it on the water. Everything else is some percent of a crap shoot.
Exactly, and when you have no access to local spey shops with rods to borrow and test lines on the water or shop owners that know much about spey thats exactly what it is
"a crap shoot" and probably an expensive one at that. LOL
Golf equipment is much easier than this, but its harder to golf effectively than spey cast so maybe they are equal in their "abyss" levels, you may never reach what you think is an adequate performance level, and maybe why many people still pursue them ?
I see the rio skagit lines hit the market two weeks ago, but the new Spey Casting book has nary a word on them. Guess we need another spey casting book soon this time by an american, thought I read some where Dec Hogan and Lani Waller were coming out with new steelhead fly fishing books this year, maybe something will be in them on NA spey casting and lines etc..
Got to love it.
BG
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BG, With all due respect my friend, it is not the spey tackle maker's fault that your "local" shop does not carry nor talk spey tackle. That is his business. However it wasn't to long ago on this very forum that you were relating that your local shop was bemoaning the fact that business wasn't all that good. Maybe he needs to change his priorities a little or maybe you need to find a new place you spend your money.
There is a great wealth of spey info on the interenet that is available to all for free. Anyone willing to spend a small amount of time can find out how to get a balanced outfit the first time around. There are also many shops, some very near the Great Lakes regions that talk spey tackle and can set a new spey fisher up right the first time and at a quite reasonable price. Instead of whinning about the info that you think is not available why not take advantage of the free info provided by those that have already been down the spey road.
As to a spey casting book that has all the answers, I would not hold my breath. I'm quite sure even Simon Gawesworth (one of the greatest "jedi masters") would tell you that things have changed since he put the period at the end of his last sentence.
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