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Well we have the 'latest' fish counts for Gold Rae dam (just north of Medford, OR and into the top 30 miles of river.
Spring kings: 44,000+
Fall Kings: 36,000+
Coho: 21,243
Summer steel: 13,363
Actual number of fish in the river over the year is far higher than this as the 'counter' is above the Applegate, Illinois, etc., so these fish runs don't appear in the numbers above.
Not too bad for just one river.
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Fred,
Do you ever get a total number of fish caught on the Rogue?
On the Spey I can tell you fairly accurately how many salmon and seatrout caught last year.
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WG,
Not possible on any US rivers are detailed catch counts that are some what reliable. Too many rivers, fisherman, fish, not enough state game and fish personnel/budgets to administer.
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Is it not a worry that fisheries could be being over-fished. The Thomson springs to mind as an example?
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The Thompson is over-fished by commercials netting (legally)on the lower Fraser just as the steel runs are expected through, and of course by the almost constant illegal netting by certain groups who are above the law apparently
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Overfishing is more an issue in our PNW rivers than GLs rivers. In GLs we do not have any commerical netting to speak of, very limited Indian netting in one are of the lakes for a short period of time.
We don't know how many fish to return to the rivers each year and are caught by sport anglers in the big lakes and the rivers. Not good controls over the fishery status for sure. They estimate returns and catches.
In Michigan I only know of two rivers that have ladder counts the DNR publishes.
Hope the fishing lasts my life time in the GLs but currently we are having problems, with invasive species impacting the food chains for the game fish. Trout and salmon are getting smaller.
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williegunn said:
Fred,
Do you ever get a total number of fish caught on the Rogue?
On the Spey I can tell you fairly accurately how many salmon and seatrout caught last year.
Some states (Washington and Oregon as an example) require you purchase a 'salmon-steelhead punch card.' On the card, IF YOU KEEP THE FISH, you're to post the date, type of fish and river (or area of a river if big). These are to be turned into the game department after the turn of the year.
To be truthfull, I don't ever remember seeing any reports out of the State of Oregon on punch card counts. In Washington State another matter. Here the input is used to gauge the number of fish 'sports caught' vs. those taken by Indian gill netting.Idea here is, by vertue of the Judge Bolt des. back in the mid 1980's was the Indian Tribes were to be able to 'harvest' half the run.
One little kicker in that was that if the 'sport fishery' didn't get one half of the estimated run it was called a "lost opportunity" and the Indians could take more.
Forgot to add: what makes the Rogue such a 'fish factory' is there is very little in the way of human population its entire 152 in length (RM 152 is the Warm springs dam; only planted trout above that area.).
Of the 150 miles about 90 of it is what's called 'wild and scenic,' there for minimal public access/fishing pressure ... save for one VERY long boat ride. Of the remaining miles there are only three or four communities of any size on the river, Medford the largest in southern Oregon, not being one of them.
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Verne
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Williegunn
Out of curiosity, do you know hwat the average weight is for River Spey Salmon?
Freda
Have you tried your TFO on the river yet?
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Political hat on, are we talking Salmon or salmon and grilse, if grilse are included the average weight is about 7lb if the grilse are excluded around the 10lb mark.
In previous years 20 years ago it was 2-3 lbs heavier but the feeding at sea is worse these days.
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Thanks, that is interesting, our salmonid species vary somewhat from year to year in size depending on ocean conditions.
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Freda
Have you tried your TFO on the river yet?
Roger that. Took the rod out this past Sunday (fished in falling snow! Too Cool .. litterly). Ran three lines through the rod and a #7 Wulff tri-taper was the best for casting/mending. Dummy here forgot to bring a couple of other reels spooled with DT's and one more forward taper line.
Due to it's length, this is a true summer run/low water rod which will limit the 'weight' of the fly on the end of your leader. Best casting was out to about 50-70 feet off the reel (including leader).
Seemed short, but this will cover the majority of low water fishing. Did hook one fish (lost same to a bad knot in my leader) but the 45'ish seconds I had him on was a GAS!!
If you're looking for a light line summer spey rod, give Mike at Redshed a call. I think he still has one for about $200 bucks. Worth the money.
Fred
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Thanks for the info Fred. Is it a tip action or more of a midflex type? I am trying to resist because I don't need another rod, but I am sorely tempted.
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Thanks for the info Fred. Is it a tip action or more of a midflex type? I am trying to resist because I don't need another rod, but I am sorely tempted.
The rod has a very 'traditional soft action' so your casts have to be 'gentle;' no way are you going 'force' this rod to cast. As with many traditional actions it loads right down to the butt section (which probably accounts for the relatively 'short' casts noted above.
One good thing about this rod is it's very good (with a WF line) for 'short casting/high sticking' in close. Most spey rods are poor for this unless you use a 'chuck and duck' type tip cast.
The "down side" of this rod is the cork used in the handle; doubt the manufacturer could have found much worse. Also I could pass on having Lefty K's name in huge gold letters on the butt section. Rather overdone to say the least.
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Poor Verne, I can see where he is going, another spey rod. LOL
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It sounds too much like my Orvis 12'6" 7wt. midflex. I can cast at least 70' with it, and I don't plan on using light sink tips anyway. After using much more powerful rods it is hard to find that gentle stoke.
I think probably what I want is one of the long light wieght rods like the 15' solstice. Have you used that Fred?
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Hey Verne,
While the TFO is a great rod in it's price point there is no comparision between it and the Solstice rods. The 15'2" is a great rod in my view. That might be considered biased so I say the best way to find out is to take a test drive. I fish mine with a Delta Long Tips 7/8 with the floating and type 3 tips. I call the action traditional but it is very crisp. For a 15 footer it feels light in the hand.
JD Jones has one, maybe he will add his comments.
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12-6 TFO. I'll let you read the other post, but effortless casting (with a two fly set up) out to 100 feet!
"...JD Jones has one, maybe he will add his comments." Mike, don't think Jimmie posts to SHer.net.
Fred
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