ubbt header

120x60 - No URL

kerrysbb2 Join the CCA in the fight to save coastal fisheries Guided fishing on the Quinault river System  
Guided Jet Sled fishing Holdzit fishing Products
Guided Jet Sled fishing trips Batson Enterprises and Forecast components
fishidaho Guided Steelhead Fishing
bbaa4 georgebanner  


Click here to land your next MORTGAGE from a Steelheader.net member!



Many of the forums are  now private for Supporter/members only including FISHING REPORTS!! ... click here to JOIN

Thanks to everybody who has decided to help maintain our great community.  We continue to grow because of your support.


There is currently 1 user in the Chat Room. Join them!
River Fishing >> Goverment & Science and Fisheries Management  

Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | (show all)
AuntyM
Offline
Looking for a few good fish!
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 05/07/01
Posts: 10190
Loc: Harstine Island
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Duroboat]
      #176328 - 03/14/05 04:30 PM

Duroboat, not only did I already know that, I've met Todd's prettier half and talked at length with both of them about her art and Todd supporting her career.

I don't suppose you have ANY idea how much time Todd has spent on his volunteer activities do you?

His resume doesn't sound to far different from Wecker, who we think was appointed.

--------------------
Landslide: Stevie Nicks greatest song!

http://www.ccapnw.org

The Monster Breathes!

"Don't fall in!" Doug Richert Sr. 10/18/2008


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Trex
Offline
A problem
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 11/04/03
Posts: 203
Loc: Southern outer space
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Duroboat]
      #176329 - 03/14/05 04:31 PM

Oh "whooooops"------- Say good night Gracie!!!!!

Lady friend--- You ever notice-folks will says thangs on the net, that they'd never say eye to eye? I'm thinkin we should coin a new pharse and call in "net rage"

--------------------
Report Poachers and snaggers- it will make ya feel soooo good 1-800-477-6224


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Duroboat
Offline
king
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 10/07/02
Posts: 147
Loc: Des Moines
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Trex]
      #176331 - 03/14/05 04:37 PM

Aunty,
Im sure you did know that.I was just replying to Firefish's question.Is that OK??


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
AuntyM
Offline
Looking for a few good fish!
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 05/07/01
Posts: 10190
Loc: Harstine Island
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Trex]
      #176332 - 03/14/05 04:38 PM

Gooose, maybe I need to make a picture of a honker chasing a person for your avatar?

--------------------
Landslide: Stevie Nicks greatest song!

http://www.ccapnw.org

The Monster Breathes!

"Don't fall in!" Doug Richert Sr. 10/18/2008


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
AuntyM
Offline
Looking for a few good fish!
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 05/07/01
Posts: 10190
Loc: Harstine Island
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: AuntyM]
      #176334 - 03/14/05 04:46 PM

Duroboat, ever hear of private messages? I thought Gooose's warning was pretty clear.

--------------------
Landslide: Stevie Nicks greatest song!

http://www.ccapnw.org

The Monster Breathes!

"Don't fall in!" Doug Richert Sr. 10/18/2008


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Duroboat
Offline
king
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 10/07/02
Posts: 147
Loc: Des Moines
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: AuntyM]
      #176335 - 03/14/05 04:51 PM

Aunty,
Gooose sent me a message saying it was OK to reply to Firefish's question.And I dont think my answer to Firefish was out of line in any way.The info posted is availible on the net.

Edited by Duroboat (03/14/05 04:59 PM)


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
GoooseModerator
Offline
Ancient Mod
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 80% Complete

Reged: 09/14/01
Posts: 11057
Loc: Area 12
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Duroboat]
      #176337 - 03/14/05 05:00 PM

Duro is correct. Firefish asked a question of him so I said feel free to as long as it was civil. I also told him that I would ensure any reponses were kept civil. So with that said I can now check to see what has been goin on.

--------------------
Independent Advocate For The Fish
Not Represented By Any Organization
Simple Solutions to Simple Problems
Simple Solutions to Complex Problems

There's lies, damned lies and then there are statistics......Mark Twain



Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
GoooseModerator
Offline
Ancient Mod
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 80% Complete

Reged: 09/14/01
Posts: 11057
Loc: Area 12
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Gooose]
      #176339 - 03/14/05 05:08 PM

Well I must say I appreciate the civility of this discussion so far.

Hmmmm harmful algal bloom?

--------------------
Independent Advocate For The Fish
Not Represented By Any Organization
Simple Solutions to Simple Problems
Simple Solutions to Complex Problems

There's lies, damned lies and then there are statistics......Mark Twain



Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Duroboat
Offline
king
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 10/07/02
Posts: 147
Loc: Des Moines
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Gooose]
      #176341 - 03/14/05 05:11 PM

Thank You Gooose!!

Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
FireFish
Offline
Egg & Rag Master
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 100% Complete

Reged: 11/19/02
Posts: 1189
Loc: Puyallup
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Gooose]
      #176343 - 03/14/05 05:12 PM

Ok, OK, I did appologize to Gooose prior to asking the question. The purpose for the question was to simply understand if Duroboat, truly knows anything about Todd, because his post seemed to be directed at one individual, or if he just formed an opinion on hear-say. Now I know...

And now lets keep it to the issue at hand, right Gooose..

FireFish Out...

--------------------


Member of Grays Harbor Salmon Management Committee:

1. Working to Unite Sporties to get Issues
Resolved...
2. Working Hard to Get Back Our 50% of the Bolt
Decision...



Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
AuntyM
Offline
Looking for a few good fish!
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 05/07/01
Posts: 10190
Loc: Harstine Island
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: FireFish]
      #176345 - 03/14/05 05:16 PM

Yes. Let's. What was it again? Something about AuntyM for shrimp advisory board, wasn't it?

--------------------
Landslide: Stevie Nicks greatest song!

http://www.ccapnw.org

The Monster Breathes!

"Don't fall in!" Doug Richert Sr. 10/18/2008


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
GoooseModerator
Offline
Ancient Mod
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 80% Complete

Reged: 09/14/01
Posts: 11057
Loc: Area 12
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: AuntyM]
      #176346 - 03/14/05 05:54 PM

Wecker should do fine. The others I haven't heard of before.

--------------------
Independent Advocate For The Fish
Not Represented By Any Organization
Simple Solutions to Simple Problems
Simple Solutions to Complex Problems

There's lies, damned lies and then there are statistics......Mark Twain



Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
AuntyM
Offline
Looking for a few good fish!
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 05/07/01
Posts: 10190
Loc: Harstine Island
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Gooose]
      #176347 - 03/14/05 06:09 PM

Nevermind.

--------------------
Landslide: Stevie Nicks greatest song!

http://www.ccapnw.org

The Monster Breathes!

"Don't fall in!" Doug Richert Sr. 10/18/2008


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
YBNORML
Offline
chum
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 02/08/04
Posts: 56
Loc: Kent ,Wa
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: AuntyM]
      #176377 - 03/14/05 08:08 PM

LOL Aunty I have been trying to get on that advisory board for 2 years now

Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
GoooseModerator
Offline
Ancient Mod
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 80% Complete

Reged: 09/14/01
Posts: 11057
Loc: Area 12
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: YBNORML]
      #176496 - 03/15/05 04:24 PM

Well the announcements is official. Hmmm quite the interesting mixture of backgrounds in those choices.

--------------------
Independent Advocate For The Fish
Not Represented By Any Organization
Simple Solutions to Simple Problems
Simple Solutions to Complex Problems

There's lies, damned lies and then there are statistics......Mark Twain



Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Duroboat
Offline
king
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 10/07/02
Posts: 147
Loc: Des Moines
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Gooose]
      #176507 - 03/15/05 05:24 PM

You got that right Gooose! Interesting for sure.I would give the choices and one wait and see.

Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Todd R
Offline
Chromer
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 10/29/01
Posts: 892
Loc: Seattle, Washington
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Duroboat]
      #176522 - 03/15/05 06:34 PM

I'm on four "wait and sees"...with one "almost a thumbs up"...and I don't think I'll be going out on a limb if I guess that your "wait and see" and my "almost a thumbs up" are the same one, Duroboat!

I think it will be a very interesting next month or so...I'm cautiously optomistic!

Fish on...

Todd

--------------------
http://www.rvrfshr.com
For all your fishing hardware needs!

"Correct in Design"


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Duroboat
Offline
king
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 10/07/02
Posts: 147
Loc: Des Moines
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Todd R]
      #176528 - 03/15/05 06:54 PM

Quote:

Todd R said:
I don't think I'll be going out on a limb if I guess that your "wait and see" and my "almost a thumbs up" are the same one, Duroboat!
Fish on...

Todd




Your probably right on that guess Todd But you never know one of my thumbs up could be the same as your almost thumbs up . And I think we both agree that the time for a shake up on the commission was long over due.


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Todd R
Offline
Chromer
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 10/29/01
Posts: 892
Loc: Seattle, Washington
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Duroboat]
      #176553 - 03/15/05 10:40 PM

My informal rating system, with the information I've been able to glean so far, gives me one "thumbs up", one "looks pretty good", and two "have no ideas"...

Solomon = Thumbs up!

Swecker = Thumb kind of up...we'll see.

Gutweiler = No idea

Perry = No Idea

Shocker of the day!! Duroboat and I agree that Solomon is a thumbs up!



Fish on...

Todd

--------------------
http://www.rvrfshr.com
For all your fishing hardware needs!

"Correct in Design"


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
GoooseModerator
Offline
Ancient Mod
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 80% Complete

Reged: 09/14/01
Posts: 11057
Loc: Area 12
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Todd R]
      #176555 - 03/15/05 10:56 PM

Ditto on Todds opinion. As to the unknowns?

The forester has Weyerhauser connections as does the Gov from the Booth Gardner days. I'll be researching that a bit.

The rangeland manager is a huge plus as it's an exploding issue on the east side for WDFW.

The new choices appear to me to be based upon giving the commission a better selection of expertise in all the issues WDFW faces rather than those in fisheries. Those issues are very diverse and do not simply focus on wild steelhead, crab, shrimp, allocations of resource between user groups, or any of the many hot button items we discuss here. Whatever the outcome of these selections I hope for the best and wish them luck.

--------------------
Independent Advocate For The Fish
Not Represented By Any Organization
Simple Solutions to Simple Problems
Simple Solutions to Complex Problems

There's lies, damned lies and then there are statistics......Mark Twain



Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
H2H
Offline
TWO-HANDER !
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 02/07/04
Posts: 727
Loc: CHROME TRIANGLE !
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Gooose]
      #176562 - 03/15/05 11:38 PM

Shirley Solomon work with Skagit Watershed Council is second to none.

I believe she will put fish first, when the opportunity is there she will do the right thing for the sportsmen/woman of our state.

.04

--------------------
Brian






Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
AuntyM
Offline
Looking for a few good fish!
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 05/07/01
Posts: 10190
Loc: Harstine Island
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: H2H]
      #176581 - 03/16/05 06:00 AM

I guess what impressed me is that both women appear to be real go getters. The type that don't back down when they know they are right! In fact, I hope they annoy Roehl and Ozment to no end.

Ya'll probably hadn't even considered that aspect. BSette will probably agree. Having capable women on the commission doesn't impress me. Having women who can twist arms when necessary, does.

--------------------
Landslide: Stevie Nicks greatest song!

http://www.ccapnw.org

The Monster Breathes!

"Don't fall in!" Doug Richert Sr. 10/18/2008


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
kjackson
Offline
silver
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 80% Complete

Reged: 09/20/03
Posts: 102
Loc: Port Townsend, WA
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: AuntyM]
      #176611 - 03/16/05 08:38 AM





Speaking of Ozment-- Here is an article in today's (3-16) Peninsula Daily News. Note Ozment's comment on the Makah overfishing. It seems he would prefer that the subject just go away.

Keith



Peninsula loses voice on Fish and Wildlife panel as Gregoire fires Schroeder
2005-03-16
by DARRICK MENEKEN

OLYMPIA -- In an unprecedented move, Gov. Christine Gregoire has fired four members of the state Fish and Wildlife Commission, the group responsible for setting state-wide fishing and hunting rules.

Dr. Pete Schroeder of Sequim, a marine mammal veterinarian whose expertise has been sought at national and international levels, was one of the members to get the proverbial ax.

``It just blows me away,'' Schroeder told the Peninsula Daily News by phone Tuesday night.

According to a news release distributed Tuesday by the governor's office, Schroeder -- the first commissioner from the North Olympic Peninsula in more than a decade -- is being replaced by Charles Perry of Moses Lake.

``Yeah, that's right close to the Olympic Peninsula, isn't it,'' Schroeder said, his voice simultaneously tense and disappointed.

``I can't believe it. Nobody on the commission can understand it and I can't understand it.''

Appointed last summer

Schroeder was appointed to the nine-member commission last summer by then-Gov. Gary Locke and was to fill a position left open when former Commissioner Russ Cahill stepped down.

Schroeder's term was scheduled to expire Dec. 31, 2006.

``I was very disappointed that Pete was released because I thought that he was an excellent member of the commission,'' Will Roehl, one of the current commissioners who survived Gregoire's housecleaning, said Tuesday night.

Roehl, former chair of the commission, said neither he nor current chair Ron Ozment were notified prior to the governor's official word.

``I was taken by surprise,'' he said. ``I thought we had a really good mix on the commission.

``I'm sure the governor has appointed some really good people but I don't know anything about them other than their names.''

Along with Perry replacing Schroeder, Jerry Gutzwiler of Wenatchee replaces John Hunter of Cashmere, Miranda Wecker of Naselle replaces Kenneth Chew of Seattle, and Shirley Solomon of Mount Vernon replaces Holly Ledgerwood of Pomeroy.

Commissioners are paid $100 a day plus expenses, and typically work two to three days each month.

No explanation

Gregoire gave no explanation for the drastic change, a move that empowers four inexperienced commissioners less than a month before an April 8-9 meeting at which statewide hunting rules will be decided.

The future of sport crabbing rules -- an issue that has drawn heated debate around the Olympic Peninsula -- is set to be shaped in May.

``These appointments represent my administration's strong commitment to the sustainable use of our natural resources,'' the governor stated in a news release.

But the question of how educated the incoming commissioners will be about current issues facing the policy-making body is pressing.

``At the very best it's an awfully short period of time to orient these folks,'' Ozment said.

``It puts the commission in a bit of a dilemma.''

He said he knows of no similar mass commission overhaul ever taking place.

Makah fishing connection?

When asked, Ozment added that he believes the move has nothing to do with the recent controversy over Makah tribal salmon fishing.

``There is so much speculation and rumor out there, no I don't think so,'' he said.

``As far as this Makah issue is concerned, people need to just settle down . . . stop the rumor-mongering and finger-pointing.''

Schroeder, 69, is a consultant to the Navy and NOAA Fisheries and is active in habitat restoration and conservation efforts in both Clallam and Jefferson counties.

He was the first commissioner from the North Olympic Peninsula since Dr. James M. Walton ended his service 11 years ago.

Killer whale specialist

Schroeder is best known for his work with killer whales and was the lead veterinarian during the 2002 rehabilitation of Springer, an orphaned orca calf rescued from Puget Sound, treated and released back to the wild.

He has also consulted Canadian officials about their orca work.

``I think the time I spent [on the commission] was extremely productive,'' Schroeder said Tuesday.

``If it would have been down time or a tough time, [my dismissal] wouldn't have been so tough to take.''

He found out about it last week for the first time and said he was never given a chance to comment or speak with the governor, who he met in person a couple of years ago while she was attorney general.

When Schroeder was appointed to the commission last year, Gregoire sent him a letter of congratulations, he said.

Ozment noted the lack of communication -- the governor not seeking commission input before making her decision -- is a concern.

``I wish it could have been done a little differently,'' he said.

``It is the governor's prerogative.''


All Materials Copyright © 2004 Horvitz Newspapers, Inc.
For Address and Contact Information - Visit Our Contact Page
For Questions or Comments about this site - webmaster@peninsuladailynews.com


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
AuntyM
Offline
Looking for a few good fish!
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 05/07/01
Posts: 10190
Loc: Harstine Island
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: kjackson]
      #176612 - 03/16/05 08:59 AM

I was surprised Schroeder was set free also. His vote on the Columbia wild steelhead commercial impact really pissed me off though.

Quote:

``As far as this Makah issue is concerned, people need to just settle down . . . stop the rumor-mongering and finger-pointing.''




We'll stop it as soon as you get off your "commercial rape" of our resources kick and do the job you were appointed to do.

--------------------
Landslide: Stevie Nicks greatest song!

http://www.ccapnw.org

The Monster Breathes!

"Don't fall in!" Doug Richert Sr. 10/18/2008


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Quillback
Offline
South of the Mason/Dixon line
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 02/08/02
Posts: 2618
Loc: Arkansas
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: AuntyM]
      #176622 - 03/16/05 09:35 AM

Geez these guys are so clueless, we spend $400 million per year on Columbia river salmon/steelhead restoration and they vote to kill more wild fish to benefit a handful of commercial fishermen. If they can't figure out how totally illogical that is they should not be on the commission. It's really too bad Roehl and Ozment are still there, they STILL don't get it.

--------------------
I'd rather be fishing


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
kjackson
Offline
silver
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 80% Complete

Reged: 09/20/03
Posts: 102
Loc: Port Townsend, WA
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: Quillback]
      #176626 - 03/16/05 10:51 AM

QB-- Columbia River salmon restoration is running $600 million per year, for BPA alone. There are a number of other concerns kicking in their quid as well.

Keith


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Quillback
Offline
South of the Mason/Dixon line
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 02/08/02
Posts: 2618
Loc: Arkansas
Re: Just Got The Word new [Re: kjackson]
      #176627 - 03/16/05 11:17 AM

I've seen numbers from 400-600 million per year by BPA, it seems it's a tough number to quantify, but whatever it is it's a lot of money. A chunk of that is due to "lost opportunity", in other words money lost on water that is let out of the dams to help salmon migration, instead of reserving that water for power generation. During the power shortages in CA a few years ago, BPA estimates it lost 1 Billion that year due to lost opportunity. This year should be interesting with the drought conditions we are facing.

--------------------
I'd rather be fishing


Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Fishhead5
Offline
I'm hung like Einstein and smart as a horse
Profile Status:
  This User's Profile is 60% Complete

Reged: 10/20/00
Posts: 1724
Loc: Shelton
Re: Just Got The Word