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TallFlyGuy
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Kalama river Adventures
      #194959 - 07/09/05 01:42 AM

Well, as mentioned earlier in the year I am trying my new adventure with the spey rod. The efficiency and line control for swinging flies is simply unbeatable. I am a complete rook, but using the windcutter line with versatips and the type 3 and type 6 tips with weighted flies, I am able to get it out into 10-20ft of the mint green portion of my running line pretty easy.

I am having trouble getting a tight loop and being able to shoot the line. It is more of a large roll cast. As I watch “pros” they seem to do a little drop move with their rod. Their rod tip seems to drop and then pop right before they shoot their line. Any suggestions?

Ok, onto my adventure on the Kalama Last night (July 7th). My buddy and I put in at the red barn in our pontoons and start making our way down. Well shortly after we put in a small bunch of swimmers and tubes put in as well. After them catching up to us, we could see there were four young women in Swimsuits. They float by us, wave and say they are sorry etc.

So I am fishing the run just below the rapid, which is just below Pritchards, and I notice the girls have pulled out onto that nice sandy beach and are drinking and smoking (something other than a Cigarette). I’m ok with that, no big deal I just keep on swinging my fly. All of a sudden one of them yells to me, “Boobs out!”, and then proceeds to take her breasts out and flashes them right in front of me, the whole time yelling “Oh, Yea,…Oh, YeaH”. So I am thinking….uh, what do I do. I’m happily married, so I can’t pursue that avenue, so with a big smile on my face, I just give them the thumbs up and keep fishing. Of all the times you wish you had your camera, this tops it. Well the voyeurism show is short lived and they move on and I don’t see them any more.

Well, after that little incident, my concentration on casting goes to crap. Somewhere down below beginners Hole, I get a nice tug, and ends up to be about a 2 pound squaw fish. Well it felt good, but not what I was after. A little later Bam, another strong pull and hit, and this time a large boil of water and a mild little run. I’m thinking, oh right, a little steelhead. It turns out to be another squawfish, only this time 5-6 pounds worth. I confess, all my squawfish I catch turn into food for the needy little animals that live around the river

A couple more little squawfish and no steelhead make our day final. Had fun, but alas no steelhead that night.


Tall

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Re: Kalama river Adventures new [Re: TallFlyGuy]
      #194969 - 07/09/05 09:04 AM

Where does one start? Hell, we have a 'plastic hatch' every day starting abut 10:30AM ... have I ever been that 'lucky???' Nooooooooooooooooooo.

But back to the casting, and responding not from the river bank, but 350'ish miles away. With minimal exception, all spey casts have THREE common eliments. "The lift" (rod tip down ON THE WATER) to 11 O'clock. All the 'lift' is to do is get as much of your line out of the water as possible.

The "SECOND" common eliment (think of a soft letter 'J' lying in its side,) is the fomulation of the "D loop." As in single hand casting, the line follows the rod tip. So from the top of "the lift" you bring the rod tip around ON A FLAT PLANE and at the end gentley POKE a hole in the sky with your rod tip. DO NOT drop the rod tip, Poke that hole!!
So where'e the 'Poke' supposed to take place? JUST LIKE casting a single hand rod, it ALL takes place between 10 and 2 on the clock face.

Common eliment THREE is (forward cast) is from the 'poke in the sky,' bring the rod tip forward on a level plane to 10 AM and with a 'LIGHT PUNCH' of the upper hand at the end of the forward movement. The most common error here is the caster will PUSH the rod forward, not give it a 'light punch' type action. An additional thing to remember here is your rod is CANTED off to the side at about a 10-15 degree angle AWAY from your body.

If you don't cant' the rod, two things are likely to happen: both not good. First is the fly/fly line is going to follow the plain of the rod tip (see below in the 'anchor' comments). If it's too verticle, the fly, at least, is going to WACK!!! you in the back of the head/butt/where ever.

Second thing that's going to happen is with the line moving forward. Remember the fly is the last thing moving forward out of the D loop. The leader/fly will catch the airilized line and dump it in the water (This is the spey 'version' of the 'tailing loop.') Again, if this happens, the only thing that can cause same is coming forward with the rod too vertical of a plain.

Soooo, how do you know you've 'pushed' vs. the 'light punching action?' Actually very easy, especially if you've got someone else around. With a 'push,' your upper hand will end up well away from your chest AND the rod tip stop is below 10 AM. The second dead giveaway is a "Wooshing sound" from your rod moving through the air. ("A Woosh is a Push" as I describe to folks I'm 'teaching.)

The 'woosh' is actually caused by your rod tip approaching the speed of sound. "Wooshing" is NOT A GOOD THING. Again, caused by pushing out with the upper hand rather than a light punching action AND the rod tip stopping below 10AM.

So, where do you release your shooting line? At the top of the 'stop.'

So a quick review (if you will): As with a single hander cast, you have three parts. AND you have to do ALL THREE PARTS. Typical error for a new caster is trying to do (instead of 'A one and a two') they will do a one and a half. IE: ignore the initial lift and pull the line back into the 'two position.' Think of this as trying to drag a bucket through the water ... it 'tain't going to happen!')

Second error is forgetting to 'poke a hole' in the sky with the rod tip at the end of movement 2.

Third error is 'pushing,' not 'poking' with the upper rod hand at the end of movement 3. (Remember: 'a woosh is a push.')

So you're doing all this and it's still going to hell in a hand-basket. We've yet to mention your 'Anchor/anchor point.' As with a single hander cast, EVERYTHING must in in a 180 degree plain. What makes a 'spey cast a spey cast' is the ability to 'change direction' of the line during the formulation of the cast. This is where the 'anchor' comes into play. To restate, where ever you put your anchor IS where you have to cast. Even if it's not where you want to cast. You have very little choice.

Anchor too high above you and you cast below this point, you get what's called 'the bloody L." Cast above you anchor point and you'll wrap your line up in a knot.

Think of a rifle barrel ... the anchor point is the front site, your rod action is the rear site. With little choice in the matter you must cast 'pretty much' over the connection of your line/leader.

More later if you want .. the above is already a bit of over-kill.
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Re: Kalama river Adventures new [Re: fredaevans]
      #194993 - 07/09/05 02:36 PM

Thanks, Fred! That explanation was OUTSTANDING! Now I think I know my problem... and how to correct it! At least, a few casts on the lawn with a grass leader seemed MUCH IMPROVED!

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Re: Kalama river Adventures new [Re: BobK]
      #195003 - 07/09/05 03:27 PM

Hey Tall, I'm glad you have found out there are more delights out on the river then the tug of some chrome which is right at the top of the list. Having said that, the visual delights of the naked female form are running a very tight second place.

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Re: Kalama river Adventures new [Re: REDSHED]
      #195011 - 07/09/05 05:55 PM

Fred, thanks. I'm gonna try it on the river. I've read it a couple of times and it still is a little fuzzy. I think I need some up close and personal attention from someone (hint hint)

RedShed, Yes Women do come in a close second. Just don't tell your wife that. I "see" my wife all the time, but I dont' see or feel a steelhead enough. Maybe if the opposite were true, and we could catch more steelhead, more often than "seeing" our wife etc.---then steelhead would be in second place Wow, what a concept.

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Re: Kalama river Adventures new [Re: TallFlyGuy]
      #195069 - 07/10/05 09:03 AM

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TallFlyGuy said:
Fred, thanks. I'm gonna try it on the river. I've read it a couple of times and it still is a little fuzzy. I think I need some up close and personal attention from someone (hint hint)

Tall




Anytime you want! Up to the North Umpqua Wednesday PM or Thursday AM for about 10 days. Then back to the Rogue (home)on the 23'rd or 24. And, candidly, it's much easier to learn the proper 'motions' with someone whose reasonable at it .. or rather 'teaching it' than learning on one's own.

'Self taught' folks are "harder" to 're-teach' as they've usually already developed "bad habits" that you have to un-learn, then 're-learn.'

And thanks Bob.

Fred

Darn, forgot to ask: what rod and line (one of the windcutter-but which one) are you using. There are very few 'bad rods' or 'bad lines' out there now. But a given combo of line choice AND rod can be a bleeding disaster!!

Hit RIO's web site and look up Simon's recommendations for thier lines and rods. 99% of the time he's "spot on" as the Brit's would say. And, Simon's book on spey casting is THE book to own. It's like Trey Combs first book on steelhead fly fishing: the topic wasn't new, but the explanation/drawings/photos/etc., have yet to be done better.

The photo's in Simon's book are usually in a series and will take up a whole page ... you can't miss what's going on.

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Re: Kalama river Adventures new [Re: fredaevans]
      #195075 - 07/10/05 10:30 AM

Fred, I have a CND custom 89 and the windcutter 8-9-10 I believe.

I sent you PM.

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Re: Kalama river Adventures new [Re: TallFlyGuy]
      #195368 - 07/12/05 08:19 AM

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Fred, I have a CND custom 89 and the windcutter 8-9-10 I believe.

I sent you PM.

Tall




Got your PM and have replied; see you on the North Umpqua. AND for an 'un-silly' question: What's your actual name?
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Re: Kalama river Adventures new [Re: fredaevans]
      #216008 - 11/14/05 06:44 PM

Just saw this thread...I fished the Kalama a few weeks ago with BREWER for silvers. BREWER was telling me about this fly guy named Peter (from Portland) who flat puts the hurt on those Kalama fish.

Any way as luck would have it, Peter was there both weekends that we fished. So after awhile BREWER mentions to Peter that I'm a fly fisherman...(though because of my shoulder I haven't attempted throwing anything for 2 years, lol).

Before long I couldn't hold my tongue anymore, I told Peter I was dumb founded by his method of feeding line into the drift. He assurd me that he misses lots of fish, free drifting...but he more than catches his fare share of fish.

It wasn't until he coached his father inlaw, and then stood back to watch his Father inlaw fish. It wasn't too long before he bangs 2 nice silver's at our feet.

I just smiled at Peter, and kept my mouth shut, I had just been schooled on another way to present a sunked fly.

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Re: Kalama river Adventures new [Re: TallFlyGuy]
      #216096 - 11/15/05 12:23 AM

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Fred, I have a CND custom 89 and the windcutter 8-9-10 I believe.

I sent you PM.

Tall




I just saw this too

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Re: Kalama river Adventures new [Re: H2H]
      #216112 - 11/15/05 04:46 AM

Ah yes .. feeding line into the drift. Lanni Waller intro'd me to this years ago. Several reasons for doing same, the most important is that your fly line is being forced to the surface at the bottom part of your drift (swing or nymphing). The extra 3-4 foot of line fed in at about 30 degrees down stream tends to allow the fly to either sink further, or at least not come up quite as quick.

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Re: Kalama river Adventures new [Re: fredaevans]
      #216127 - 11/15/05 07:16 AM

Yes that works, been doing that for many years when needed in certain drifts

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