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http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php?act=flyshow&showid=2795
ever seen. Appears the body is a 'reverse tube' fly in constuction.
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It would fish a lot better if the bullet was located forward, just behind the head. Interesting tie...
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Quote by Mojo:"It would fish a lot better if the bullet was located forward, just behind the head."
Why?
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I have found that a slight jigging motion on the swing will occasionally trigger strikes. That is why I prefer my weight toward the front of the shank.
Having the weight at the bend of the hook, and the feather wing (water resistance)forward would cause the fly to spin and flutter on the swing, probably twisting the leader. I tried some reverse weighted flies in the 1980's, and they fished horribly.
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Well Mojo you might be right, however I know Ronn Lucas to be a very preceptive fly tyer and I don't think he would use a fly that would twist his leader. I will have to research this more.
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Looking forward to see where this one goes. I'm with Mojo on my impression on how this fly would work under water. Only 'reverse weighted' fly I can think of are 'prawn patterns,' but the 'eye' at the top of the curve is for visual effect, not weighting.
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Forgot to add. Do putt around this web site, some of the best tiers in the world (including our own!! Jerry D.) have patterns posted.
Only warning ... you won't be there for just a couple of minutes. :>)
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The guy is an artist. Can you imagine fishing one of his flys. Be like fishing a Glasso spey.
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Mark, I can't see 99.5% of these ever 'seeing water.' Simpler patterns, yes, the Spey's, the Dee's, the Atlantic's? Naaaaaa, never happen.
Just the thought of actually tieing one of those on the end of my leader makes my hand shake.
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Fred, this fly was created for viewing, NOT fishing. With a 6.5 mm Swedish bullet on it, it would sink to the bottom like a rock - but faster. So it's a "display" fly only. I suppose you could use it for trolling at 50 mph (maybe even faster), or maybe as a weight for your downrigger, but that's about it!
A good "conversation starter", though!
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BobK, Where is your skagit line? That bullet is not any heavier then a lot of the BIG leadeye "ugly fluffies" I've seen.
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BobK, I about made a guy faint when I pulled a fly tied with 4 junglecock eyes (among other things) from my box on the Des Chutes tied it on, cast it out, and proceded to lose it in the jaw of a 10 - 12 pound steelie. He was aghast. I told him that's what I was looking for. You can't land 'em if you don't hook 'em.
As Pete Hidy used to say "...it's the foolin' 'em."
I have tied some "presentation" flies, but most every hook that graces my vice is headed for the river. I experiment with all sorts of showy flies, but they all fish.
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Sorry, guys, but a bullet weighing at least 139 grains (if not more) would SINK LIKE A ROCK! And it wouldn't be legal in most streams (if not all) in Canada for Atlantic Salmon.
BTW, Jungle Cock is effective, but it doesn't match a 6.5 mm bullet for weight! I have used a TON of flies with LOTS of Jungle Cock for ALL species of trout! And it CATCHES 'em, and extremely well!
BobK 
PS - it would ALSO be a load on your rod, whether or not you use a Skagit line!
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Ronn Lucas Sr. is one of this country's premier fly tiers. That is what he does. The fly is for display only and shows the considerable extent of Mr. Lucas’s artistic abilities.
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Yes Mr. Lucas is quite an artist maybe someday I will have the time, money and patience to try tying such flys.
But for now its the ugly fishing flys for me.
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Yes Bob, but your ugly flys catch lots of fish. Why quit on a winner.
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Quote by BobK:"Sorry, guys, but a bullet weighing at least 139 grains (if not more) would SINK LIKE A ROCK!"
While this fly may be tied for display only, there are some flyfishing applications where "sinking like a rock" is very desirable.
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SCORE! one for Mike. I can tell you've fished the Rogue? Deep, down and (well almost) dirty .. or forgetaboutit.
:>)
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No Rogue fising, as yet. I thought maybe this year I could get down there to visit, you, JD, Meiser, Beulah, maybe Anderson and of course go see if Hammer really has any BIG sticks. Unless I find a disabled and abandoned armoured car that is not going to happen.
I was thinking of fly fishing for bass and stripers on the Colorado River impoundments, Del Canty and Flaming Gorge in Utah and I have also heard of some salmon fly fishers in Pudget Sound also going very deep.
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I was thinking of fly fishing for bass and stripers on the Colorado River impoundments, Del Canty and Flaming Gorge in Utah and I have also heard of some salmon fly fishers in Pudget Sound also going very deep.
Now thats sounds like my type of party need some diversions from trout and steelhead, love overhead casting that big spey rod in the big lake surf. Now thats a work out throwing big flys with the Rio Scandi heads with the 14 foot 9 wgt, you will feel it in your upper body the next few days, better a work out with weights.
This was a recent foray for cruising lake michigan browns with streamers.
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So, where are all the fish??
Hate to say it, but a river mouth works better, ESPECIALLY if there is a warm-water outflow (read "power plant"). Let the current drag your line out to the fish. You can have a BALL catching steelies and browns! (big salmon, too!)
The BEST part of this is the "Spring Fishery", where the post-spawn browns, steelies, and even big lakers and fresh salmon are in close, feeding on spawning baitfish!
There's one not too far from where I live, only about 7 or 8 miles, and it's a BLAST to fish there (provided that the surf is not 10 or 12 feet or more!)
It's usually crowded, but everyone is fishing the stream and no one wades out but me and a few other maniacs. After an hour or so, a quick trip to the car heater and a quick hot cup of coffee is in order!
And no, Redshed, you didn't win. A rock (or bullet), laying pinned under another rock on the bottom, doesn't fish too well or catch too many fish! (I am very familiar with that bullet!)
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Quote by Bob:"And no, Redshed, you didn't win. A rock (or bullet), laying pinned under another rock on the bottom, doesn't fish too well or catch too many fish! (I am very familiar with that bullet!)"
I don't care about winning.
You may know a lot about that bullet as I'm sure many of us do, however you seem to be missing the point that the bullet weighs about the same as a 5/16oz jig head. No one here would think you couldn't cast a leadhead bunny leech down to suspended fish so why are you having problem with using the bullet in place of the lead. It surely would be more enviroment friendly. The fishing I'm thinking of in all these cases in not done on the bottom.
I won't argue the point that a fly like I'm talking about might cast like a piece of crap but I believe it can be done.
BG, Nice surf pic. It has been many years since I fished the surf either salt or fresh. One of these days I hope to do it again.
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Gentlemen and women (?)
There is nothing like a cold lake michigan wind to bring all of your senses to bear, and the quiet of the surf against the shore is mesmerizing, its one long over head cast after another, and there are no worries on the back casts or the forward casts, you can go as long as you want with them, just watch out for the sea gulls and occasional duck or goose flying by though.
BG
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Gentlemen and women (?)
There is nothing like a cold lake michigan wind to bring all of your senses to bear, ..
BG
Huge grin when I read the above this evening. Fast trip to Redding, Calif. this afternoon. There at 1PM, on my way back by 2PM .... with the air conditioner on full blast. Had to be in the mid-high 70's even in the shade.
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Well your OR temps are coming down my friend, still hot for us in the winter we will be up to the 40s by mid week this coming wednesday, hope your rain holds off and hit the rivers as I hear some are taking winters
Medford - OR
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