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which are you ?
Traditional or non traditional FF
Me mostly traditional except for certain desparate periods when alone. Heck I never tried an Indicator FF until two years ago, alone of course and successful.
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Interesting article. Myself, being a float/jig person for the past 3 years because it works, trying to learn the ropes of fly fishing and not piss anyone off doing it can be a challenge.
I'm putting a simple rod and reel(spinning)package together for my 7 year old grandson and asked the local fishing store for a simple way to mainly keep his learning curve and interest up for more than ten minutes and they said to use a red/white bobber with a dry fly. Never thought of that.
Traditional is what I'll probably do most (from reading too much Schweibert) but if the river is willing it doesn't hurt to try a different position, er, I mean, style...you know what I mean. 
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Tieing yourself to only one way of 'doing business,' like choosing a single fly and using it year round because you think you have to. Or perhaps you pick a rock and stand on it day after day with the idea that sooner or later each and every fish must pass this way.
Both a 'Dah ... ' thinking.
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Gee, maybe I am kind of dumb or something, but I always thought that you fished to catch fish. Maybe there is something wrong with that concept in some people's eyes, and if there is, I am NOT sorry!
What is "tradition", anyway? If I wanted to be really "traditional", I guess I would really just use a spear! At least, that's what primitive man did, according to pictures I see. Where "tradition" came in was that someone came up with a new "technique" that seemed to be all the rage. Then a bunch of "experts" that like to look down their nose at the rest of us "codified" it and made up a grand set of rules, and called that "tradition" and "the only sporting way..."
Well, I just happen to enjoy catching my salmonids on a long rod, and with bits of feather and fur tied to my hook. They are able to put up a good fight, and provide some sport. And I can release 'em with a minimum of damage.
But if I am after northerns, muskies, or BIG lake trout, I enjoy using an old-fashioned baitcaster... the fish fight better, and you can land 'em much faster to release 'em with a minimum of damage.
While I dearly love bass fishing with a fly rod and poppers, if I am going on a serious fishing trip for big bass, walleye, white bass, pickerel, and run-of-the-mill northerns, I'll use my spinning rod. It just works well for that purpose. Yeah, and for surf fishing, I use a surf rod.
I use all of the above because THEY WORK WELL FOR THE PURPOSE AT HAND!
So, hate me all you want, but years of fishing have shown me that fish fight their best on these rods, and I don't "baby" them during a long, death-causing struggle. I guess that is as much of a "traditionalist" as I will ever be. I still don't want to use a spear!
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I agree swinging is probably a more fun way to FISH, but indicators are more fun because of the CATCHING! 
I dunno, I never understood the whole adherance to traditional methods thing. But then, I never understood why anyone would want to re-enact something as horror filled and miserable as a civil war battle either.
It's all personal choice. I don't care what people do so long as they're showing respect for the resource and fellow fishermen.
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I agree swinging is probably a more fun way to FISH, but indicators are more fun because of the CATCHING!
I dunno, I never understood the whole adherance to traditional methods thing. But then, I never understood why anyone would want to re-enact something as horror filled and miserable as a civil war battle either.
It's all personal choice. I don't care what people do so long as they're showing respect for the resource and fellow fishermen.
Well said fellow!
That said, what NEVER gets dumped into the equation is 'what are you fishing for?' Different fish react quite differently as to how they may/may not react to a fly. Remember most of the literature is/was written around the pursute of Atlantic Salmon. NOT steelhead or pacific salmon.
Very, very different fish and how they react (or will react) while on their spawning runs. Atlantics (or so I'm given to understand) are a very aggressive fish and will chase a fly if it gets within visual range. A steelhead/salmon usually won't react all that much unless the fly is fairly close to it's nose.
These fish experienced a 'life style' quite different in the early freshwater stage of early life ... and it carry's through in later life.
That said, can you hook more fish using one method vs. the other? Yes you can ... but what is it your fishing for? The 'style-level of effectiveness' is directly dictated by the 'target fish.'
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Yeah, Fred... that's essentially what I said.
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I guess I would be a traditionalist. I thought fly fishing was about fishing with self imposed limitations, just like bow hunting. If it were about catching I would use a net or dynamite. I find nymphing for steelhead to be very similar to bouncing a corkie and pencil lead through a run. I used to do it. I used to fish with bait. Effective yes, satisfying no. For other people it is fine, just not for me. I like fishing dry fly when I can and wet fly swing/greased line the rest of the time. For me, it is about skill and nymphing especially with a float/bobber/strike indicator is not very difficult. I will nymph for trout if there is no hatch and it is too early in the year for terrestrials to be effective, but I prefer to do without a strike indicator and won't do it on spring creeks. Different strokes I guess. I also like bamboo rods but feel no need to use silk lines.
The only problem I have with nymphers is the same problem I have with gear guys, if they are courteous enough to rotate through a run and not stand in one spot, and that is that those methods are so effective that it makes it very difficult for a traditional fly fisherman to catch a fish behind them. I usually will not follow a nympher/gear fisherman through a run; instead I will look for a run that has been rested or follow someone else that is swinging. I also completely respect someone else’s right to fish however makes him or her happy.
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Well said, Mark! And I agree with you when I am fishing for salmonids. Well, one exception - I am not fond of bamboo. I used to make bamboo rods, and good ones, and I appreciate their beauty, but I don't appreciate the inherent slow action. Anyway, different strokes....
But I am often taken by my sons-in-law for other types of fishing, so I also recognize and am a fan of the other methods, as well, but NOT for trout.
My favorite way to fish is with a fly rod or 2-hander (if the river is big enough) in the traditional manner though, and I much prefer it.
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Want to make 'nymphing' more fun? Take off the indicator; trust me, you have to more 'on your game' than swinging a fly. With nymphing, you'd better detect the take, or in the main, you'll be out of luck.
A swung fly will frequently set itself due to water pressure on the line pulling the hook into the fish.
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So does any one else do the "Speydictar" technique when necessary and some times it is necessary, one run I fished hard for two years swinging knowing there were fish in it I did lousy, as soon as I tried the indicator set up the hits started coming.
Evans must be going to this dark side of spey fishing once in a while.
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Not a chance!!!! Actually, most of my spey rod 'fishing range' is byond what I consider to be effective with an indicator. If I'm fishing 'in tight' I've been known to dig around in my vest looking for a miss-placed 'bobber'
Interesting thing is we do see quite a few California spey casters during the late summer. Dead give-away? The indicator; many of them are pretty good at chucking that huge hunk of fluff on a dry line.
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Nothing wrong with indicators if you are "long range" fishing! Hell, the real Eastern "purists" (and any guys all over) use a DRY FLY as an indicator, but supposedly that is OK as opposed to an indi. Hell's bells, what's the difference, except that you pick up an occasional trout on the dry!
And Fred, nothing wrong with a small bobber for visibility! Especially as our eyes get "older"! If it keeps you fishing, and having fun (and success) keep at it!
It's EASY to be a "purist". Just knock anyone who doesn't follow your personal prejudices about fishing.
The ONLY way that "all men are created equal" is in everyone's ability to look down their nose and think that anyone NOT following their dictates is an idiot and slob! Think about it. It's a "pearl of wisdom"! And go back to the old English saying, "The crimes of Ku are chaste in Katmandu!"
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Bob I bet Mr. Evans has a couple Indies stashed in his vest just like I do for those desparate times on the river when no one you know is around and you say what the Hexx lets do it.
 
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Definately not a traditinal fly fisherman. I use idicators and egg patterns especially beads which disqualfies me as traditional. I have given a lot of traditinal fly fisheman strokes when i show them my beads!!!
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Well, as a matter of fact, I am pretty sure Fred uses 'em when fishing in tough conditions, especially when fishing far off. And I freely admit that I do. No apologies.
As I said before, "tradition" is a state of mind that says to the person, "Do it MY way. Mine is the only right and sacred way."
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Definately not a traditinal fly fisherman. I use idicators and egg patterns especially beads which disqualfies me as traditional. I have given a lot of traditinal fly fisheman strokes when i show them my beads!!!
KC interesting you should mention egg patterns made out of beads; been giving that a go over the last couple of weeks. You can make some great looking 'skeins' (sp?)with a few beads and a little of this, and a little of that.
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GOOD on ya, Fred! How have they been working?
An artificial fly was made to imitate something the fish normally eat and will hit. Hell, they use glass and plastic "eyes" on flies, metal bead heads, small glass or plastic beads for caddis larvae, metal and mylar tinsel, "flashabou", etc. So what's wrong with using beads to make up a skein? Is that any less "ethical" than the older, more commonly used materials?
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Hooked/released two (unfortunatly very dark) summer runs on them yesterday. Neither had spawned out, but dark enough to know "that's not going on my BBQ."
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