Chet
Offline
4 salt
Profile Status:
Reged: 05/30/06
Posts: 37
Loc: Eagle Creek,Oregon
|
|
Quote:
Marty said:
Chet how about a few questions answered..
How long is your fishing rod?
What type line?
What lb test is your line?
Color of your line?
Float/bobber setup your using?
Did you notice your line sinking and dragging your float along?
Did the float move like it was dragging bottom?
Did you see anybody catch any near you?
My pole is only 8 1/2 feet tall I will buy a longer one once my funds increase.
My line is 8lb
It is a cheaper one it cost like 8 bucks for the spool.Its Maxima monofilament fishing line "Chameleon"
Im using a float that is yellow and is solid I wrap the line threw it 2 times and jam a toothpick in it.It acts as weight i dont fill it full of water like some of the other floats i have seen.
The float seemed like there was to much slack in it when i would cast infront of me.I would real it in as soon as it hit the water so the slack was up and then would let some line out as it started to pass me.I did hit bottom a few times at the begining trying to find the depth of the river bed.Didnt get snaged or anything.
I just got back from the store and bought some lures and some swivels and mite even try drifting tomorrow or the next day.
There arnt really any bank fisherman where i went .There were a couple of boats out there though.
--------------------
Still looking to catch my first steelhead.
|
Marty
Offline
redneck yachter
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/17/00
Posts: 19459
Loc: Olympic Peninsula
|
|
Some of the best times to fish lures is daybreak and evening shade. Fish seem to be more active during these times and will chase a bit more. Most effective lures are fished close to the bottom where the snags live. I suggest siwash hooks on your rigs to get more of those expensive lures back.
You want the float to be as natural as possible when floating down stream. Current on top moves faster on the surface than the bottom. The float will already be going faster than it should if you do nothing, then add in line drag from the surface. In the shoe section of your store or at the fly section get some mucilin for dressing your line to help keep it dry so it doesn't sink so rapidly and you can mend. Most float fishermen address the line issue with longer rods, line that floats (fireline, mucilined mono, etc) and Thin floats so the surface current is minimized.
Even draggin bottom with your rig is a good idea so you can get a good feel for depth/pockets of the hole.
Have fun 
--------------------
Marty
Got Your Steelheader.net stickers?
Pay it forward
Catching is a skilled art built on fishing experiences
|
Chet
Offline
4 salt
Profile Status:
Reged: 05/30/06
Posts: 37
Loc: Eagle Creek,Oregon
|
|
To you guys who use sandshrimp is this a good setup for hooking them on the hook? http://steelheaduniversity.com/sandshrimp.html
And would you use the corkie or spinner that is above the shirimp.Seems to me that all that would scare the fish..I drifted fished this morning and it was fun and am thinking of going to eggs or shrimp..Thanks again guys.
--------------------
Still looking to catch my first steelhead.
|
Tony1831
Offline
Native slab
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/20/05
Posts: 3545
Loc: near DC
|
|
thats a good rig, pay attention to the temperature you keep your shrimp, they don't like warm temps so ice is a MUST!
spin-glo, corkie/bead, or plain shrimp would depend on other factors such as target species and water conditions
low water summers are very much in favor of plain sandshrimp where I fish
in higher, colored water the spin-glo may prove more effective
--------------------
<---- "Jihad this!"
Team 10%
Semper fi
PGR Member, ANC R/C
Bocephus for President 2012
|
bigkat
Offline
Chromer
Profile Status:
Reged: 09/17/04
Posts: 601
Loc: WA-Pierce-Spanaway
|
|
Amato books has a couple of great DVD's on drift fishing and float fishing. www.amatobooks.com
Good luck your enthusiasm is great!
--------------------
"Willy Nilly Guide Service...expect a limit"
http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishing.php
|
nitromike66
Offline
humpy
Profile Status:
Reged: 11/26/05
Posts: 48
Loc: seattle,wa.
|
|
Welcome to this insanity that we all love Chet,I fished my a** off for five years in sweltering heat,frigid cold,spent hundreds on gear and miles on my truck before I caught my first steelie last summer!I have to agree with 3rivrfisher,If you can hook up with somebody who knows his stuff you should have sucess sooner.I happened to become friends with a guide,through my other passion of drag racing,who has fished the Lewis almost exclusively for 25 years and went out with him several times last summer.He showed me every single piece of holding water on that river and I now know it just about as well.After your first one you will be like a crack addict!They are pound for pound the funnest,hardest fighting fish you can catch here in the Great Northwest!You should also read Salmon,Trout and Steelheader magazine religiously as they have a lot of great info.I also have the DVDs on float and drift fishing they put out and Dave Vedder's float fishing book.They are all great resources.Good Luck!
|
Chet
Offline
4 salt
Profile Status:
Reged: 05/30/06
Posts: 37
Loc: Eagle Creek,Oregon
|
|
Yet more questions..Tomorrow im getting up at 5 to go fishing.The last few days its been between 8 and 11 before i even started.I dont know if that matters or anything ..I am using different setups just trying to get a fish on .If i use a float with a hook that has an egg loop on it with sandshrimp is it ok to put a slip shot weight a foot from the hook or is a fish gonna see that and not bite it.I dont know how well they see.Also Is it ok to use a jig and sandshrimp at the same time or is that just gonna look to weired for a fish to bite it.Thanks again guys.
--------------------
Still looking to catch my first steelhead.
|
Luke_the_Drifter
Offline
CRACKER!!!
Profile Status:
Reged: 11/01/04
Posts: 1751
Loc: Olequa Crossing, WA
|
|
That split shot shouldn't make any difference, the fish is looking up at your bait and probably wouldn't be able to see the shot, let alone make any deductions that it wasn't anything more than junk floating down the river. That second comment about using the jig and sandshrimp is good too, but cocktail shrimp work really well. You might try boiling them first to toughen them up some and soaking them in some scent or dye for coloring.
The cool thing about steelhead is that they will hit all kinds of setups, they are aggressive SOB's, get the bait in their face and hang on.
--------------------
"Curiosity is natural to the soul of man and interesting objects have a powerful influence on our affections."---Daniel Boone
|
Musicman
Offline
Thick Tail
Profile Status:
Reged: 11/26/03
Posts: 7616
Loc: Roy
|
|
The split shot shouldn't affect your presentation, if anything....it might help dependin on flows....in faster water i'll use a series of shot to keep my jig,eggs or shrimp from riding up in the water column. I want to know the depth i'm fishin, so keep trying and good luck.
--------------------
JD
|
Chet
Offline
4 salt
Profile Status:
Reged: 05/30/06
Posts: 37
Loc: Eagle Creek,Oregon
|
|
I was using a swivel that had surgical tubing on it that i added lead too it for drift fishing and it just looked weired and i was worried about the fish seeing it and not biteing but maybe im just worrying to much.I also dont know if there are any fish where im fishing.I could be standing there for hours have there be no fish..lol..Now im just paranoid.I know there are fish above my house a few miles so there has go to be some where im at.
Also.What is the advantage of using a 24" leader line vs using a 4' and vice versa?
I hope you guys dont mind all the questions I dont have anyone to go fishing with so everything i learn is off of the net.I have a couple of books comeing but till them its just you guys
--------------------
Still looking to catch my first steelhead.
|
Marty
Offline
redneck yachter
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/17/00
Posts: 19459
Loc: Olympic Peninsula
|
|
my lead setup preference for drift fishing.
sandshrimp tail on your jig will not hurt anything. I use that setup on gin clear water and it works, sometimes you just have to be persistant. More importantly you need to fish the water that contains fish, since your new you need to be fishing more spots until you find fish.... MOVE MOVE MOVE find a biter!!! Fish all of the hole and move to another and repeat till you find a willing 
--------------------
Marty
Got Your Steelheader.net stickers?
Pay it forward
Catching is a skilled art built on fishing experiences
|
Musicman
Offline
Thick Tail
Profile Status:
Reged: 11/26/03
Posts: 7616
Loc: Roy
|
|
Dont' forget to add a small bead above your mainline swivel, just below your slider...it'll help preserve your knot. Marty's got it right on though, try fishing areas where there are people catching...then you'll know they are there...once you get the feel of how a take is then you can branch off to lesser fished waters and find your own "honey holes"....tight lines, keep the ??? coming, it's a good refresher for us, err the seasoned vet's....i'm still in the perfecting my technique mode....can't have a better hobby. Tight lines!
--------------------
JD
|
Tony1831
Offline
Native slab
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/20/05
Posts: 3545
Loc: near DC
|
|
yes, that bumper bead is key to the setup
--------------------
<---- "Jihad this!"
Team 10%
Semper fi
PGR Member, ANC R/C
Bocephus for President 2012
|
Marty
Offline
redneck yachter
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/17/00
Posts: 19459
Loc: Olympic Peninsula
|
|
I don't bother with the bead bumper since my sliding lead isn't pounding on the knot when it fishes its not an issue drift fishing. boon dogging you drag the lead so it is more of an issue, but I don't do it there either... solid knots and good line. Retie if I think the knot has been abused 
--------------------
Marty
Got Your Steelheader.net stickers?
Pay it forward
Catching is a skilled art built on fishing experiences
|
Tony1831
Offline
Native slab
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/20/05
Posts: 3545
Loc: near DC
|
|
to each his own
--------------------
<---- "Jihad this!"
Team 10%
Semper fi
PGR Member, ANC R/C
Bocephus for President 2012
|
Chet
Offline
4 salt
Profile Status:
Reged: 05/30/06
Posts: 37
Loc: Eagle Creek,Oregon
|
|
Im curious on that picture how long is the leader.Also does anyone have a picture of a bead.I have no idea how it works.does it crimp on? seems to me like it would just keep sliding.The water where i live is still high comared to the summer and a little dirty still would you guys thingk drift fishing with sandshrimp or using a float and sand shrimp be better.I put a split shot my float leader the last half hour of fishing this morning and seemed like the sandshrimp was getting down farther.
Next week i mite get brave and drive up the river more 10 miles or so and fish but i dont know beeing so new to the game.I see boats in front of my house everyday but never have seen anyone catch anything.And beeing a bank fisherman with the river so high i cant get to a few places i want too.Thanks again guys.
--------------------
Still looking to catch my first steelhead.
|
Tony1831
Offline
Native slab
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/20/05
Posts: 3545
Loc: near DC
|
|
The idea is the bead needs to slide, it helps the swivels from fraying or catching your knot and making the knot weak (remember knots are the weak link).
The leader depends on your preference and the depth of water you are fishing in.
--------------------
<---- "Jihad this!"
Team 10%
Semper fi
PGR Member, ANC R/C
Bocephus for President 2012
|
Marty
Offline
redneck yachter
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/17/00
Posts: 19459
Loc: Olympic Peninsula
|
|
leader length varies.. 18"-4 ft fisherman's preference.
If you aren't on the bottom you aren't fishing in the holding zone.
--------------------
Marty
Got Your Steelheader.net stickers?
Pay it forward
Catching is a skilled art built on fishing experiences
|
Tony1831
Offline
Native slab
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/20/05
Posts: 3545
Loc: near DC
|
|
oh yeah... a bead is just a smaller corkie
I buy bunches from the local crafts store and sort them into a divided plastic box (2$ for the box and $2-3 a bag for beads 100-500 depending on size/style)
--------------------
<---- "Jihad this!"
Team 10%
Semper fi
PGR Member, ANC R/C
Bocephus for President 2012
|
Marty
Offline
redneck yachter
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/17/00
Posts: 19459
Loc: Olympic Peninsula
|
|
tony a bead with to small of a hole isn't protecting the knot it is pounding it. the sliding swivel eye is usually bigger than the knot and will seat on the other swivel metal over the top of the knot. If your using a heavy rubber bumper bead/small corkie I agree. I use heavy rubber bumper beads on my salmon mooching setups because of the knot being in play.
--------------------
Marty
Got Your Steelheader.net stickers?
Pay it forward
Catching is a skilled art built on fishing experiences
|
Chet
Offline
4 salt
Profile Status:
Reged: 05/30/06
Posts: 37
Loc: Eagle Creek,Oregon
|
|
Im going to set my rig up tonight just like that last picture.I have the tubing already,when i put the swivel into the tubing do i want it to go threw the whole tubing or just threw one side.I hope that makes sence.In the picture it just looks like its going threw one side..
--------------------
Still looking to catch my first steelhead.
|
Tony1831
Offline
Native slab
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/20/05
Posts: 3545
Loc: near DC
|
|
usually the bead hole is large enough to not interfere
--------------------
<---- "Jihad this!"
Team 10%
Semper fi
PGR Member, ANC R/C
Bocephus for President 2012
|
Marty
Offline
redneck yachter
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/17/00
Posts: 19459
Loc: Olympic Peninsula
|
|
chet I put in one side.. you could use slinkies with that setup but that is another chapter to your education.
--------------------
Marty
Got Your Steelheader.net stickers?
Pay it forward
Catching is a skilled art built on fishing experiences
|
Tony1831
Offline
Native slab
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/20/05
Posts: 3545
Loc: near DC
|
|
Chet
*WARNING* if you switch to slinkies, you may never want pencil lead again.
--------------------
<---- "Jihad this!"
Team 10%
Semper fi
PGR Member, ANC R/C
Bocephus for President 2012
|
Chet
Offline
4 salt
Profile Status:
Reged: 05/30/06
Posts: 37
Loc: Eagle Creek,Oregon
|
|
Are slinkys better in anyway.I have to go get some more sandshrimp for the morning and could buy a few?..I bought some sandshrimp yesterday and used 3 or 4 today will they still be good tomorrow? I changed the papertowel when i got back today.
--------------------
Still looking to catch my first steelhead.
|
Marty
Offline
redneck yachter
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/17/00
Posts: 19459
Loc: Olympic Peninsula
|
|
if they still alive they are fine if they are turning black toss em.
slinkies are not the important part of your sucess right now. Need you fishing in the right spots and on the bottom.
--------------------
Marty
Got Your Steelheader.net stickers?
Pay it forward
Catching is a skilled art built on fishing experiences
|
Luke_the_Drifter
Offline
CRACKER!!!
Profile Status:
Reged: 11/01/04
Posts: 1751
Loc: Olequa Crossing, WA
|
|
The tapping of the rocky bottom is a sharp feeling kind of like holding a quarter and bouncing it on a table. When the fish picks it up it may just stop tapping and hold in one spot, or it may take on sort of a rubbery feel, and sometimes they will start yanking. If you are unsure, just set the hook hard, but keep contact with the bottom, that's where the steelies like to hang out.
--------------------
"Curiosity is natural to the soul of man and interesting objects have a powerful influence on our affections."---Daniel Boone
|
Chet
Offline
4 salt
Profile Status:
Reged: 05/30/06
Posts: 37
Loc: Eagle Creek,Oregon
|
|
Im starting off in the morning with the drift setup.I hope i dont snag my line every other cast but gonna try it out.I just set my pole up and cant wait for the morning.Yet more questions.
How many casts do i do before changing the sandshrimp.Today i got alot out of each shrimp but i was fishing with a float.Im sure im going to lose more fishing in the faster part of the river drifting.And i have some gel to put on the is the smelly stuff Should i put that on every 10 casts or just wait till i change the shrimp.
--------------------
Still looking to catch my first steelhead.
|
Tony1831
Offline
Native slab
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/20/05
Posts: 3545
Loc: near DC
|
|
save the gel for later
--------------------
<---- "Jihad this!"
Team 10%
Semper fi
PGR Member, ANC R/C
Bocephus for President 2012
|
Tony1831
Offline
Native slab
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/20/05
Posts: 3545
Loc: near DC
|
|
Quote:
Marty said:
slinkies are not the important part of your sucess right now. Need you fishing in the right spots and on the bottom.
slinkies are a REALLY good way to keep your gear and spend more time catching than rigging up to fish Chet  
--------------------
<---- "Jihad this!"
Team 10%
Semper fi
PGR Member, ANC R/C
Bocephus for President 2012
|
Previous
Index
Next
Threaded
[Re: 
Edit
Reply
Quote
