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Hello all I was once a trout fisherman and with my local laws not allowing me to keep them im switching over to steelhead fishing.IM curious if anyone has any tips for me.I would like to start off with a bobber of some sort and a jig.Any tips or suggestions are appreciated.I have been looking on the net for basic line setup.I dont have any freinds that fish so basicaly what ever i learn will have to be on my own.I live on the Clackamas River in Oregon.I have lived here for 28 years "whole life" and never been steelhead fishing and would like to start in a few days but dont want to rush it.I appreciate any tips suggestions ect.Thanks for your time.
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Welcome aboard! Enjoy the bazillion tips and tricks you are going to be able to find on here. The best tip you will get is this one- explore this site on your own and you will get all the second best tips on fishing for  that you can handle.
Now for the sake of Oregon fishermen, you gotta go fish, take a few dozen  of your catches and post them on here so we can see 'em.
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I've always thought I was normal and the rest of the world have there priorities all wrong 
First suggestion is to dedicate a room for fishing gear.
Second is don’t drink river water.
Welcome to the board 
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always keep your hook sharp and always keep it wet!
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Chet - "New to steelhead fishing "never been yet"
Never!? Well then, git da helll outta here mon! We don't like no novice wanna-be steelheaders nosin' round our site for secret fishing info!  Hmmm. Hey y'all, what should we do to this here new feller? 
Ok, j/k (just kidding)  . We like to help newbies to learn and enjoy the great recreation of steelhead and salmon fishing. Welcome aboard.
That is right about browsing the site for tons of good info, both general and specific technical - perhaps best done by using the search feature and plugging in words such as 'steelhead tips', float (or bobber) fishing techs, jig fishing tips., etc.
btw, using small 1/16th and 1/8th oz. summer steelhead jigs with low water steathy floats is a good way to start fishing for steelhead. It's less complicated, especially in regards to not losing a lot of gear. And you know when the fish bite by watching your float movements or dunking. It can also help you learn to read water quicker (recognizing fish holding water in the rivers). ... And after some intial browsing and other reading, don't hesitate to ask questions on here. We could use some more - it's been a slow spring for both fishing and NW fishing site activity/discussion.
THEN ~ if you really want a much faster learning curve toward advanced steelhead and salmon fishing techs and secrets, access my book website below in my sig. box, by just clicking on it. Be safe, and have fun! Good fishing luck out there, Chet.
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Number one necessity to not forget is TP. Hmmm okay folks time for a "10 Most Necessary Things For Steelheading" thread.
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Wow,thanks for the welcomes and the tips.Tonight i walked down to the river where i will be hunting fish and i already have a few questions.I did the search but i think there so basic of questions that nobody has talked on them.
I will be using a plastic bobber with a jig.The bobber is going to be fixed as in wont move up and down.One spot looked about like it was 4 feet deep and down the river it looked more like 8ft deep.When i go to the deeper part of the river i want to move my bobber to 7 or 8 ft correct? Im sure the jig needs to be close to the rocks as possible.Thanks again for the warm welcomes and for the tips.Im off to search for some more info on steelheading
I cant wait till i go tomorrow even though its going to be pretty later 8am "I have other things i need to do"..As for getting a dedicated room for my fishing stuff i dont know about that The room i have set aside already is for my guns.I just mite have to half and half it when i really get into this
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Welcome! I had never caught a steelhead myself, until joinng this site. In my limited experience, I would say the best peice of advice would be to fish where the fish are. Research your river, find out where the fish hold & when they are in your river. And oh yeah, dont over look the   
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Chet please call it a float. 
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Chet please call it a float.
Ah..Its like when people call a Magazine a clip for a firearm I get it.Thanks for the heads up
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Learning the lingo also helps. Like "Where'd my float go?" 
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The best peice of advice I ever got about fishing for big fish was two-fold, keep your hooks needle sharp and your drag set so when the fish takes that inevitable first run for freedom you don't break off! Good Luck!
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Welcome to the insanity we call steelhead fishing.....caught a couple last week and I forgot how much I love it so.....My advice is to learn the river, study the river when it's low so you'll know the boulders, depressions and such of the river, when the rivers up you'll know where the fish will be holding.....learn to read water....seams, pockets...etc......most of all, have funa and join in with others of your passion...i've learned tons being on this board and the people are just plain...."top notch".....Fish On!!!!!!
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come to a tilla bring beer and good food and you will learn most all you need to. the people on this site are great and willing to teach you. if you want i live in portland im me and i can give you some help. the rest of the posts are all good info.
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Chet come and experience Blue Creek on the Cowlitz at the 5th Annual MadCowTilla the weekend of July 16th. Boat and bank opportunities for summer runs and from the early catches so far it may be a good catching event. There will be a jig tying event at it and several people are always sharing methods ideas. Hmmmm maybe even a Poof Ball tying class? Anyway lots of good people to meet and there is always the nitely feasts.
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ok, my contribution to the 10 most needed things for steelhead fishing.
#10
CASH! You'll need it not only to buy tackle and bait but ice, GAS and a lawyer to help you read and understand the regs.
#9
PINK WORMS!
...I guess...I have some because I am supposed to, never have hooked a fish with 'em though but ya gotta have 'em just in case.
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Lead.
Various kinds from shot to pencil to pyramid and bank sinkers. Ya gotta have couple truck loads of lead.
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Guides, friends or aquaintences who will take you fishing and show you their techniques.
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Willingness to learn and try new things. (like silly looking pink worms)
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Patience.
Dont leave home without it. If you do forget your patience then go crappie fishing!(and take those dang pink worms with you.)
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Sense of humor
Aint no point spending the time, money and effort if you dont have fun and share some laughs and good times with people you like. Or if at a 'tilla spending time with people you dont particularly like but they have a boat and nobody else likes 'em either so they have an open seat for you.
Just get out there and start figuring it out. I spent from the age of 12 to 22 kickin rocks trying to find out how to catch the buggers. At the age of 22 I thought I had it figured out but then I got invited to fish with a man who truly did have it figured out and realized that I learned basicaly nothing during those first 10 years of my steelheading life.
Now we have the internet and seemingly infinite resources. Try some things, ask advice, check here for tips and then tweak and customize the techniques to fit your style and your river. As you gain experience you'll figure that out. Its kinda like explaining what mojo is to your grandfather. Cant really describe it but you know what it is when it happens.
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stick with calling it a bobber, don't get sucked into that float bullarkie. tie your knots correctly and test them for strength before you cast. just because it looks like a good knot doesn't mean it will hold....
oh, don't horse (over play to tight) your fish, fish are to hard to comeby for beginners to have that 1st steelhead pop you off.
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Thanks guys keep them coming if anyone has anything else.I was reading about bleeding a fish after you catch it.Someday i will catch a steelhead and am not sure how to do it.I have searched and cant really see how it should look when its done.Thanks again guys.Time to go to bed gotta go fishing in 8 hours
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I dont know what it's like goin fishin with 8 hrs of sleep
lots of good advice here,dont listen to the yella pole guys though
gut the gills to bleed your fish
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Grab a float enough weight to cast some fresh prawn from the store couple 1/4 oz pink/white jigs put the fresh prawn meat on it (thumbnail size) go fishing. Try to get it near the bottom (not on it)as much as possible in as much water as you can find to drag it across. Do that enough and you will find where they hide then do it again in spots that are similar. don't forget to get excited when one tries to commit suicide on your gear.
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If i was to use some pawn on the jig wold i just cut meat off of the tail? or do i use a different part.Thanks again.
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just snap the tail section off and thread it on your SHARP hook
invest in a pack of float stops (<$2) to be able to fish from 2' to 8' of water
to bleed a fish out, just slice through the gills and hang it on a forked branch of a nearby tree
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You need to take advantage of beginners luck. just start fishing. My best year was my first never had one like it since.
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Yeah, Chet it's a bobber, don't let them fool ya. Trying to sound all high and mighty with that float crap.
Chet you were asking about bleeding a fish, it's pretty easy. Bonk it so it doesn't flop all over hell, then open up the gill plate and cut through the gills. Blood will pump out, and you'll be good to go.
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Thanks for all the tips and advice guys.I went fishing for only about an hour an a half today.I didnt get any bites but sure had some fun.I think im going to be buying a dvd or something with jig fishing that teaches some basics.I could tell I was doing something wrong while casting and letting it float but sure had a fun time.I think this week im going to buy some lures also.I know how to fish lures for trout so im sure it will be the same just bigger tackle.I cant wait untill the river that i live on goes down a few more feet I will be able to fish better holes "Bank fishing only for me".
Thanks again guys i look forward to reading and asking more questions.I cant wait till i can post my first steelhead picture.
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Chet how about a few questions answered..
How long is your fishing rod?
What type line?
What lb test is your line?
Color of your line?
Float/bobber setup your using?
Did you notice your line sinking and dragging your float along?
Did the float move like it was dragging bottom?
Did you see anybody catch any near you?
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Marty-
I'm glad you didn't ask him how long his rod is.
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Chet how about a few questions answered..
How long is your fishing rod?
What type line?
What lb test is your line?
Color of your line?
Float/bobber setup your using?
Did you notice your line sinking and dragging your float along?
Did the float move like it was dragging bottom?
Did you see anybody catch any near you?
My pole is only 8 1/2 feet tall I will buy a longer one once my funds increase.
My line is 8lb
It is a cheaper one it cost like 8 bucks for the spool.Its Maxima monofilament fishing line "Chameleon"
Im using a float that is yellow and is solid I wrap the line threw it 2 times and jam a toothpick in it.It acts as weight i dont fill it full of water like some of the other floats i have seen.
The float seemed like there was to much slack in it when i would cast infront of me.I would real it in as soon as it hit the water so the slack was up and then would let some line out as it started to pass me.I did hit bottom a few times at the begining trying to find the depth of the river bed.Didnt get snaged or anything.
I just got back from the store and bought some lures and some swivels and mite even try drifting tomorrow or the next day.
There arnt really any bank fisherman where i went .There were a couple of boats out there though.
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Some of the best times to fish lures is daybreak and evening shade. Fish seem to be more active during these times and will chase a bit more. Most effective lures are fished close to the bottom where the snags live. I suggest siwash hooks on your rigs to get more of those expensive lures back.
You want the float to be as natural as possible when floating down stream. Current on top moves faster on the surface than the bottom. The float will already be going faster than it should if you do nothing, then add in line drag from the surface. In the shoe section of your store or at the fly section get some mucilin for dressing your line to help keep it dry so it doesn't sink so rapidly and you can mend. Most float fishermen address the line issue with longer rods, line that floats (fireline, mucilined mono, etc) and Thin floats so the surface current is minimized.
Even draggin bottom with your rig is a good idea so you can get a good feel for depth/pockets of the hole.
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To you guys who use sandshrimp is this a good setup for hooking them on the hook? http://steelheaduniversity.com/sandshrimp.html
And would you use the corkie or spinner that is above the shirimp.Seems to me that all that would scare the fish..I drifted fished this morning and it was fun and am thinking of going to eggs or shrimp..Thanks again guys.
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thats a good rig, pay attention to the temperature you keep your shrimp, they don't like warm temps so ice is a MUST!
spin-glo, corkie/bead, or plain shrimp would depend on other factors such as target species and water conditions
low water summers are very much in favor of plain sandshrimp where I fish
in higher, colored water the spin-glo may prove more effective
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Amato books has a couple of great DVD's on drift fishing and float fishing. www.amatobooks.com
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Welcome to this insanity that we all love Chet,I fished my a** off for five years in sweltering heat,frigid cold,spent hundreds on gear and miles on my truck before I caught my first steelie last summer!I have to agree with 3rivrfisher,If you can hook up with somebody who knows his stuff you should have sucess sooner.I happened to become friends with a guide,through my other passion of drag racing,who has fished the Lewis almost exclusively for 25 years and went out with him several times last summer.He showed me every single piece of holding water on that river and I now know it just about as well.After your first one you will be like a crack addict!They are pound for pound the funnest,hardest fighting fish you can catch here in the Great Northwest!You should also read Salmon,Trout and Steelheader magazine religiously as they have a lot of great info.I also have the DVDs on float and drift fishing they put out and Dave Vedder's float fishing book.They are all great resources.Good Luck!
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Yet more questions..Tomorrow im getting up at 5 to go fishing.The last few days its been between 8 and 11 before i even started.I dont know if that matters or anything ..I am using different setups just trying to get a fish on .If i use a float with a hook that has an egg loop on it with sandshrimp is it ok to put a slip shot weight a foot from the hook or is a fish gonna see that and not bite it.I dont know how well they see.Also Is it ok to use a jig and sandshrimp at the same time or is that just gonna look to weired for a fish to bite it.Thanks again guys.
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That split shot shouldn't make any difference, the fish is looking up at your bait and probably wouldn't be able to see the shot, let alone make any deductions that it wasn't anything more than junk floating down the river. That second comment about using the jig and sandshrimp is good too, but cocktail shrimp work really well. You might try boiling them first to toughen them up some and soaking them in some scent or dye for coloring.
The cool thing about steelhead is that they will hit all kinds of setups, they are aggressive SOB's, get the bait in their face and hang on.
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The split shot shouldn't affect your presentation, if anything....it might help dependin on flows....in faster water i'll use a series of shot to keep my jig,eggs or shrimp from riding up in the water column. I want to know the depth i'm fishin, so keep trying and good luck.
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I was using a swivel that had surgical tubing on it that i added lead too it for drift fishing and it just looked weired and i was worried about the fish seeing it and not biteing but maybe im just worrying to much.I also dont know if there are any fish where im fishing.I could be standing there for hours have there be no fish..lol..Now im just paranoid.I know there are fish above my house a few miles so there has go to be some where im at.
Also.What is the advantage of using a 24" leader line vs using a 4' and vice versa?
I hope you guys dont mind all the questions I dont have anyone to go fishing with so everything i learn is off of the net.I have a couple of books comeing but till them its just you guys
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my lead setup preference for drift fishing.
sandshrimp tail on your jig will not hurt anything. I use that setup on gin clear water and it works, sometimes you just have to be persistant. More importantly you need to fish the water that contains fish, since your new you need to be fishing more spots until you find fish.... MOVE MOVE MOVE find a biter!!! Fish all of the hole and move to another and repeat till you find a willing
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Dont' forget to add a small bead above your mainline swivel, just below your slider...it'll help preserve your knot. Marty's got it right on though, try fishing areas where there are people catching...then you'll know they are there...once you get the feel of how a take is then you can branch off to lesser fished waters and find your own "honey holes"....tight lines, keep the ??? coming, it's a good refresher for us, err the seasoned vet's....i'm still in the perfecting my technique mode....can't have a better hobby. Tight lines!
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yes, that bumper bead is key to the setup
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I don't bother with the bead bumper since my sliding lead isn't pounding on the knot when it fishes its not an issue drift fishing. boon dogging you drag the lead so it is more of an issue, but I don't do it there either... solid knots and good line. Retie if I think the knot has been abused
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Im curious on that picture how long is the leader.Also does anyone have a picture of a bead.I have no idea how it works.does it crimp on? seems to me like it would just keep sliding.The water where i live is still high comared to the summer and a little dirty still would you guys thingk drift fishing with sandshrimp or using a float and sand shrimp be better.I put a split shot my float leader the last half hour of fishing this morning and seemed like the sandshrimp was getting down farther.
Next week i mite get brave and drive up the river more 10 miles or so and fish but i dont know beeing so new to the game.I see boats in front of my house everyday but never have seen anyone catch anything.And beeing a bank fisherman with the river so high i cant get to a few places i want too.Thanks again guys.
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The idea is the bead needs to slide, it helps the swivels from fraying or catching your knot and making the knot weak (remember knots are the weak link).
The leader depends on your preference and the depth of water you are fishing in.
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leader length varies.. 18"-4 ft fisherman's preference.
If you aren't on the bottom you aren't fishing in the holding zone.
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oh yeah... a bead is just a smaller corkie
I buy bunches from the local crafts store and sort them into a divided plastic box (2$ for the box and $2-3 a bag for beads 100-500 depending on size/style)
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tony a bead with to small of a hole isn't protecting the knot it is pounding it. the sliding swivel eye is usually bigger than the knot and will seat on the other swivel metal over the top of the knot. If your using a heavy rubber bumper bead/small corkie I agree. I use heavy rubber bumper beads on my salmon mooching setups because of the knot being in play.
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Im going to set my rig up tonight just like that last picture.I have the tubing already,when i put the swivel into the tubing do i want it to go threw the whole tubing or just threw one side.I hope that makes sence.In the picture it just looks like its going threw one side..
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chet I put in one side.. you could use slinkies with that setup but that is another chapter to your education.
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Are slinkys better in anyway.I have to go get some more sandshrimp for the morning and could buy a few?..I bought some sandshrimp yesterday and used 3 or 4 today will they still be good tomorrow? I changed the papertowel when i got back today.
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if they still alive they are fine if they are turning black toss em.
slinkies are not the important part of your sucess right now. Need you fishing in the right spots and on the bottom.
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The tapping of the rocky bottom is a sharp feeling kind of like holding a quarter and bouncing it on a table. When the fish picks it up it may just stop tapping and hold in one spot, or it may take on sort of a rubbery feel, and sometimes they will start yanking. If you are unsure, just set the hook hard, but keep contact with the bottom, that's where the steelies like to hang out.
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Im starting off in the morning with the drift setup.I hope i dont snag my line every other cast but gonna try it out.I just set my pole up and cant wait for the morning.Yet more questions.
How many casts do i do before changing the sandshrimp.Today i got alot out of each shrimp but i was fishing with a float.Im sure im going to lose more fishing in the faster part of the river drifting.And i have some gel to put on the is the smelly stuff Should i put that on every 10 casts or just wait till i change the shrimp.
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slinkies are not the important part of your sucess right now. Need you fishing in the right spots and on the bottom.
slinkies are a REALLY good way to keep your gear and spend more time catching than rigging up to fish Chet 
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Chet if your in a boulder bed it won't matter if its slinkies or lead you will be retying and wish you had stayed with your float. Drift fishing is an art to master and it doesn't come at a cheap price of a few casts.
You can also put a float above that rigging so it won't wrap around rocks and fish it like a jig. But DO drag bottom with this style. More than one way to skin the kitty
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o yea
remember that shrimp gel? do you have any fuzzy yarn or fat yarn? white, pink, orange, black, chartreuse(yellowish/green) cherise (pink but darker)
add the 2 together and presto Chet!
put 2-3" yarn in your egg loop if you don't have a shrimp or if you want to experiment
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I bought some premade hooks that have a leader on them with an egg loop and yarn.It has a colorful bead thing on it to..Im adding sandshrimp and hopeing to get something.Cant wait till the morning.
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I have it in my mind that it will be a while before i actually catch one.I just dont want to be all excited and not get one for a long time.I mite bring my camera,or on the other hand if i dont bring it maybe i will catch one ..Maybe i will take some pictures of the river or something.
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Chet if your in a boulder bed it won't matter if its slinkies or lead you will be retying and wish you had stayed with your float. Drift fishing is an art to master and it doesn't come at a cheap price of a few casts.
You can also put a float above that rigging so it won't wrap around rocks and fish it like a jig. But DO drag bottom with this style. More than one way to skin the kitty
The only thing in my head is that if i drift i know the bait is on the bottom but when jig'n beeing a newbie i could be a foot or 2 off.Or if im good on the jib where i cast it out 30 ft down the river it mite be deeper.
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Just went to town and bought some new sand shrimp and the guy there was very helpfull and I was asking him a million questions and he told me that they let fish out at Mciver park.And Mciver park is a mile up from where i go fishing.Theres gotta be a fish in there..Im so excited to go in the morning.I havent had any luck the last few days but for some reason im so pumped to go tomorrow.Maybe because a local told me that the river is full of them ..Ok I will stop making post now.Im just really pumped.
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Well i went at 530 this morning and didnt get anything.There was a guy in a boat where i wanted to fish first so i had to go upstream a little bit.An hour or so later he took off and i went there and the sun was starting to hit the water .My first cast im drift fishing and I feel this nibble and im thinking some good thoughts but it was just trout eating my sandshrimp.If I was able to catch trout and keep trout i would for sure have a lot today.Then never got on the big hook though.
The water is still a couple of feet high.This meens more rapids where i was fishing and less place for float fishing.I dont know if I ever will catch one..
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I have some advice. Invest all your time to steelheading,become totally obsessed with it,and spend a lot of money on tackle . If you do that you will start catching fish...eventually. I also read as much as possible about it,and there are books on FLOAT fishing that will help you out a bit -AA
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keep at it, no one who catches fish regularly learned in the first week, pay attention to any little things you can, right now the objective is to learn as much as you can, prepare yourself better for the next day, every day. 5:30 was too late today, get there a half hour earlier, if you see fish caught, pay good attention to where exactly it happened. i caught my first couple of steelhead on accident, it will just click one day. like marty said, take a pic of the water you are fishing, maybe we could help out with where the fish may be and the best method to fish that kind of water. persaverance pays in this sport, keep at it.
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I almost forgot!!This time of year wear polarized sunglasses and really be stealthy from the bank. You will be surprised where you see fish holding sometimes,places where many people pass up.Remember this is a sport which we never graduate from. You will in time realize that some of those trips where you caught nothing taught you as much as the days you do. It is natures classroom,and the fish is the icing on the cake.I'm excited for you-Robert
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I will have to take some pictures tonight or tomorrow.I didnt get a chance to fish at all today and tomorrow Im not gonna be able to go out untill noon or so.So i just mite bring the camera down and just leave my rod at home.Do the glasses really help? The water is pretty dark and high where im fishing.As always thanks guys.
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never underestimate what polarised glasses can do for your fishing. brewer wears them on the river at all times. i have taken fish entirely based on spotting them first, then targeted that fish. there has been many times when i have spotted fish, only to have a mystery fish that i didn't even see, bolt 15 yards outa no where and detonate the eggs.
you can learn alot by watching fish behavior, only with polarised glasses can this be done though.
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Are there different colors or shades that they sell.
I just got back from the river and took some pics.Im uploading them now.
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Well the pics i took are crapy .My camera skills suck and its a very old camera but here are 17 pics.
http://www.cascadeaccess.com/~cchheett/fishing%20hole/
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Chet I checked out your pics and it looks pretty "fishy" to me!What you want to do is go upstream as far as you safely can and cast just to the side of the deep slot closest to you and let er' drift.Once that drift is done stay at that spot and cast a couple of feet farther into the slot,and so on untill you are casting almost to the other side.Then take about three to five steps downstream and repeat the forementioned process.This is called "covering water".Work your way downstream untill you can't safely wade anymore.I should mention for clarity to wade slowly and not to make big splashes as to not scare the fish!You want to find water that has good cover for the fish to hide in Ie..deep slots,water with broken surface,behind rocks and logs and overhanging trees.Picture #16 had a couple of things that caught my eye.There appears to be a rock in the upper left of the photo.I would hike about ten yards upstream from that rock and cast straight out letting your rig drift just to the inside of it.BE READY!I'd be willing to bet you'll get a solid tug just as your offering goes by.If you feel confident in your casting ability you could try casting so your rig goes between the rock and the far bank,under those overhanging bushes.It might get hairy trying to wrassle' as fish from there but sometimes those make for the best fishing stories!Good luck and keep us up to date!
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chet, very sawwweeeet looking water. work this water thuroughly. looks good both bobbers and drifting. this water will give up fish.
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Thanks for the comments guys.I would say its at least 10 ft deep on the far side of the river at least.Should i just stick with drifting..The rock that is in picture 16 is a huge clay rock about 15 ft long and 10ft wide..Its been there for years we used to float out to it and wade our intertubes there.I dont think i could use a float unless i figure out how to make my line go 10 ft deep.
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With a sliding float and enough weight you could do it, just set the stopper to the right depth. Waters pretty fast so you'd have to cast upstream aways to get it down and guide to both sides of that rock. That's the beauty of floats, that's almost unfishable from the shore with out the ol "bobber". Don't forget to work both sides of seams when drifting your bobber.
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Chet I see a lot of wasted casts in this water, with a few honey slots and potential pockets along the far edge.
My focus would be leaving the far 1/3 of the river alone (to fast) and the 1/3 on my side alone (not deep enough)
perhaps we can talk image to image to be more specific. But for the general pictures I would concentrate on the areas contained in images 13-17 for my fishing. Image 17 says fishy water to me.
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that does look fishy Chet
work the water in 17 very metodically, one section at a time near that brush on the far side
and that big rock in 16 will have fish around it, so get deep into that drift and be ready for a 'tap tap' take, then bust 'em good after you take up your slack line and be ready for some fun!
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OK lets not lead the man in the wrond direction
Myself if the water is low and clear I would be fishing the faster water that has more oxygen and cover.. The faster water in pic 1 would be where I would start in low conditions..17 is fishy looking..Sure fish it but dont pass up the faster water especialy when the water warms up a bit this summer..Chet there are so many variables its hard to touch on all of them without a 10,000 page book..sunny,cloudy,warm,cold,low water, high water,cold water,warm water,berometeric pres,weather changes and the list goes on....Just my .02
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good point timber i agree, the water marty pointed out looks like a good place to practice spoon techniques,,,,before we get to deep here, what kind of gear are you using? maybe we can narrow down some other problems for you if you tell us what kind of rod and reel you are using. how heavy is your line, how long is your rod, spinning or casting, what is the line rating on your rod. matching your gear is also a critical part of catching fish. hardware is a good way to cover water, i would not go out in the summer and toss spinners all day, but you may be able to learn alot about a hole by using hardware the last 10 minutes that you are there. i always start off with bait, it is a subtle presentation, when i am done fishing that water i will try hardware. when fishing spinners, i like to reel them fast down stream, you cast it as high up the current as you can and reel pretty quick to keep up with it. spoons are kind of the opposite, you want to swing those as long as possible, spoons are a little harder to master, the objective is to swing the spoon all the way down while keeping a natural throb in the spoon the whole time, ask marty about this tech. i just started doing it, i have alot to learn on this technique. when drift fishing, i would reccomend using bait, they hold on longer. i do not drift many artificials anyways, i like bait, sand shrimp or crawdad tails would be good baits to try, if you ever get your hands on fresh eggs, butterfly the skein, cut it into chunks and put it in a ziploc with enough borax to cover all of the eggs when you shake them, that is by far my favorite bait for steelhead, just don't waste your money on store bought eggs, i would rather have a sand shrimp than store bought any day.
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What I see in 17 is that steep bank that carrys down straight into the water. Then if you follow the bank you see it start to mellow down stream as it enters the water.
I would turn square with the river where the picture was taken there is a / upsloped bottom in that zone.
I am a drift fishing bait thug by choice, the rest to expand my experience/techniques.
Chet is just starting so he should be doing more of this..
Another thing in those pictures show some really large rocks for the beach.. gonna be a drift fishing nightmare in the wrong parts of that hole as the lead sinks in the cracks.
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I dont ever think i will catch a steelhead  ..Havent had the chance to go that much lately but i still do and havent gotten even a bite..I know I gotta keep at it though.
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Number one seemed like the hardest to get for me too! I started fishing for them when I was 14 and gave up because I couldn't catch one. I decided I'd put a berkley power egg on a hook and fish for trout and sure enough I caught my first steelhead. Quite a kick with 4lb line and an ultra lite trout rod! Keep at it and you'll get one!
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Can't repeat and stress more than keep at it...i fished off and on for several years, freezing my arse off, traveling down tothe cowlitz and blue creek...finally got that oh soo familiar tug....winter steel on...got him to the bank, bonked him and puffed the ol chest out....quit fishing basically that year for about ten years....started fishing about 3 1/2 years ago....i've hooked and landed oh soo many more steel than I ever thought....90% from the bank....boating is fun and i love the comradery that you get from fishing next to someone that you don't know, but....by the end of the day....fishless or not, you had a great time, hope the guy is there next time and you can't wait to go again....keep at it Chet!
There is nothing better than Family,God or Country that is better than waiting for the light of day as you cast to thet gray waters of a river waitin for that tug....believe me brotha, i've put in my time and although I don't think I'm that 10%, I sure feel like it! Keep casting!!!!
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I have a questions and just felt like posting it here because it just makes sence to keep my newbie questions in one thread..
Im curious to know if the steelhead im fishing for are moving up stream or are moving downstream.Since im fishing for hatchery fish "fin clipped" im assuming they are heading downstreem to go to the ocean but I could be wrong..Gonna get up earily tomorrow and do some fishing.
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right now they are headed upstream Chet
they think it's important to eat the salmon eggs that come from the soon to spawn salmon (that was a hint) 1 or 2 single eggs on a #1 hook could do the trick if you fish a section with a broken surface and 2-5 feet deep
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but your water may have hatchery released smolts in the area (look like small trout, clipped fin(s)) that are feeding and will be making their way downstream sometime later
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So that section of water directly infront of my house mite have steelhead in it..lol im gonna go take a picture rite now and post it..be back in 10 mins..
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the first few pictures i would say the water is 4 to 5 ft deep..Image 20 at the far end of the pictures is where i have been fishing and is the spot where i posted the last pics of where i was fishing.Thanks for any info.The pictures suck because its sunny out but where im standing is shaddy. i just took some pictures standing in my yard so i just covered the whole river. http://www.cascadeaccess.com/~cchheett/fishingpics2/
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Edited by Chet (06/22/06 03:46 PM)
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If that waters in front of your house then "you suck"...just kidding...i'd sell my house and move there in a heartbeat...no doubt that water holds fish.....I usually by an oregon license to fish some of the Or tribs for summers..maybe we can hook up later in the season...keep at it man....my personal opinion is to use a bobber and ? to get your first hookup and the joy of your life....jig,bait will do the trick...if your so inclined..even a fly would do the trick....tight lines!
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you are gonna have to use low light to your advantage Chet, considering it looks to be shallower than 6' in most places- so try to select the best looking spots where a piece of structure is (big rock under water or overhanging limbs to create a shady spot) in the deepest part of the water
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listen chet your stressing out over not hooking steelhead yet. you got a paradise drift in your freakin back yard dude! 99% of us here do not have what you got. we would give our eye teeth for what you got. all of us here have to compete with others for fish. you got this entire run all to yourself right? thier there chet just keep at it. you have 4 pages of tips, the rest is just river time. i would try to mentally map the entire underwater drift if nothing else. try to put knowledge into every cast and snag. when you do this you gain more insight to the run. then one day it will all click. trust me it will click.
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 not bad for a yella poler
I personally like pic #22
you got yourself some fishy water there!!
without going back and reading the whole thread I beleive you said you fished trout and was thinking of getting some hardware? DO IT!!not saying throw metal all the time but it will help cover all aspects and also help the monotany of looking at a damn float drifting by time after time,and it works!!!
I know you must be getting information overload, but get some spoons and maybe a spinner or two.remember (real)gold reflects about 90% of the light,silver is about 60% and nickel is something like 30%(I know I'll get hammered for not knowing the exact reflextions,but what the hell I spoon feed fish)so take in to account the light level/water clarity and throw accordingly.for example you will not want to toss a gold spoon if it's sunny out and you have gin clear water,you'll scare the hell out of any fish in the area(drainage)might as well go swimming.yet a gold spoon in the early hours before it gets very light might just score.
'practice make perfect'thats why we all keep practiceing.
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That's your yard??!!
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Yep standing in my yard for the last set of pics..
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Catch any yet, Chet???
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Nope..Not even any bites..Caught a few trout but had to release them do to the laws....Im gonna keep trying though.
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Hey Chet,
re: "...Not even any bites"...if you are drift fishing then you may have gotten bites that you are unaware of. (but if you are using bobber/jig, then you can see the bite.)
I've been steelheading for many many years and I bet that I still don't detect half the bites (I mostly drift corky/yarn and sometimes adding shrimp or eggs too). But I do catch more than my share. Detecting the bite is the hardest part. Assuming there are fish in your drift, then it may just be minor adjustments you need. Years ago, after I accidentally caught my first steelie on a spoon, it took me a year of regularly fishing to get my second one. What finally got me on track was that I gave up trying to find solitude. I went to a more popular spot, watched a guy nail two summer runs, and I chatted with him and copied exactly what he was using/doing. My gear was too big and bright for the conditions and I hadn't learned to detect the subtle "bite". So after copying him, Bingo!
After that you can learn to adjust for differeing water conditions. Like I always say, " *learning* how to catch steelhead is the hardest fishing task in the world...but once you learn how to catch them, it's the best kind of fishing in the world."
Best of luck to you!
Edited by steelspanker (06/26/06 04:20 PM)
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