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Gooose said:
Damn I am waiting for you all to respond with anything that doesn't revert simnply to skin color. In other words you don't have a supprotable argument other than rascism and you can take that argument elsewhere.

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Nice try Goose, attempting to turn this into a racist thread is pretty pathetic. It has to do with a group(s) getting preferential treatment that is not available to the rest of us. That is unfair and un-American. It is reverse discrimination. I believe Indians have been given way more than that which was taken away from them. Indians were a stone age culture that was defeated by a much more powerful modern culture. Whatever treaties were signed should have had time limits on them.

To continue government subsidies to tribes is an insult to the tribes. It basically says to them "You aren't able to function as a people, so we have to do it for you." It is a massive propagation of inferiority caused by a misguided governing policy.

To me, that is racism.



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Whatever treaties were signed should have had time limits on them.

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Sorry, but I don't advocate giving back the land we exchanged for fishing rights in the treaties. I kinda like it here.

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quinaultguide said:
Ok, I stand corrected. Maybe you cant correct ignorance.

Im getting the impression the people on the other side of this table have not read the Boldt decision. Or any of the fights leading up to or negotiations after. Washington state has been fighting this fight for a long time. The Boldt decision doesnt give the (20)effected tribes new rights. It upholds the rights given in the 1855 treaties. The right to fish in all usual and accustomed areas. The right to half of the fish. It is not a reparation. It is however, a federal court ruling (US v. Washington,1974) forcing Washington state to hold their end of the bargain. Several lawsuits were filed by special interest groups ended with the Supreme court ruling in 1979.

There is alot of good that came out of the ruling, such as Port Ludlow I, the first of its kind treaty between Canada and the U.S. and Washington St./Tribes. And the Northwest Water Resource Council's (NWRC) attempt to overturn phase II of the "Boldt decision", which backfired. All of which has enhanced your fishing through escapement and catch quotas.

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In the 1850s the western washington tribes entered into treaties with the United states whereby we relinquished claim to millions of acres of land in exchange for specific rights. Rights kept, not given. As you can imagine, at that time there was an abundance of fish in the treaty area, and the Indians were predominately the only fisherman utilizing the resource. By 1900 the numbers of fish began to decline sharply (due to off-shore netting by non-indians), and Indians attempting to treaty fish were met with "resistance" by a growing number of non-indian fishermen. Washington state simply refused to recognize any treaty right by then. Treaty fishing is one of the last rights we have, not given, kept. The Boldt decision is case law, and the treaties were ratified by congress. Just like every other law we live by, love it or leave it.

Your right Aunty, I think we've beat that horse to death.

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Thanks for trying to enlightened the ignorant Ruben.

But as you can tell, the only thing voicing the facts will do is relieve some of the pent up frustrations when dealing with ignorant people. So many don't realize that all the tribes want is for the govt. to uphold their end of the bargain. Lands were traded with the "white" men in exchange for certain rights of use of those lands. Then in usual governmental style, they tried to reneg on their side of the deal, and it took the Supreme Court of the United States to make them follow the treaties that they penned.

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Luke_the_Drifter said:
I believe Indians have been given way more than that which was taken away from them.

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Luke_the_Drifter said:
Indians don't respect the resources that they continually rape.

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You definately are one of those rednecks that haven't got a clue about Indian culture. You need to get educated dude. Not all Indians (quite proud of that moniker) are card carrying, reparation taking, gill netting slugs as you would like to believe. It's because of people like you that made my greatgrandfather to be ashamed of his heritage. The ridicule, the racism, and the ignorance of people like yourself are the problem. Some of you folks on here should really start researching and learning about the people you put down on this bulletin board, before you start casting stones.

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I am one of them "rednecks" ! Whats wrong with being white eh got something against people that differ from you. if redskins are suuuuuch good stewards of the enviroment and just a few are bad then how come they cant even manage there own fish and game with respect on there own reservation!!!! Shiat man pull your head out. we sportsfishermen are out in the the enviroment every day! We see this crap going on first hand every day. Your not talkin to a bunch of seatle coffe junkies here. you dont even want me to start postin pics for proof either. Its a crying shame the crap the indians are getting away with right now that is even against there so called rules but ohhh what a surprise there own fox whatching the henhouse wont even lift a finger. I am pulling my hair out here. the waste and abuse is staggering! More then the general public even has a clue about. I know way more about the dark shiat going on then most sportsfishermen do. Snagging Hah! That aint nothin.

I also know alot more about indian culture then you think dude. The indians of old used what the had because the didnt have anything. The indians of today do this shiat just because they can.

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JandLfishing said:
Here's a question for all of you, Indians and Non-indians. Is it the Boldt decision, special treatment, treaties, Tweakers, Meth freaks, snaggers, fishing guides, sports fisherman that has you all in an uproar? Or is it that the fishing isn't as good as it was when all of our grandfathers did it?

When will the day come when we empower ourselves into 1 very large group and fix the fishing problems of Treaty and Non-treay lands?

In my opinion, unless we do something together this is going to go on and one day the Indians are going to fish a season with no fish caught and the sportsman are going to do the same. The fish do not belong to just one group. They belong to all of us and we are all responsible for there exhistance or extinction.......our choice.

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