jakerau
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Alright fly tiers, what kinds of salt water flies do you tie? I am looking for patterns specific to Barraccuda, Tarpon, Roosters, Jacks, etc.... streamers or bait fish immitations. Planning a trip to Costa Rica in 08, gonna start tieing (or learning salt patterns) now. Thanks.
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Epoxy Head Bucktail Streamers (colors determined by baitfish types common to fishing spot - and make sure to put eyes on 'em), Clousers, Sliders, Deceivers, Woolly Buggers (don't laugh, I hooked some nice 'Cudas on them in Guam a few years ago). That'll be a nice starter package for you.
I like Epoxy Head flies with eyes. Oversize the eyes if you can. Predator fish key on eyes, and it can make a difference. I've tied lots of fly types and added the epoxy head feature.
Also having a few larger poppers isn't a bad idea.
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I assume you are fishing the East Coast. The water is usually muddy and you need flies that push a lot of water. The standard is a whistler. Check out the archieves at Dan Blanton's site. A lot of the old time Casa Mar guys frequent that board. http://www.danblanton.com/bulletin.php
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jakerau
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Well, for now we are planning on fishing the Pacific side, West coast. Plans could change if we end up taking option two, which is Belize. Anyone ever heard of Caye Caulker? Tiny little spit of sand, and nothing fancy, but I hooked into Poons and Cudda that I never landed, and more jacks than my arm could handle. That was on conventional gear though. ANyway, thanks for the input, guys. I'm going to take this discussion over to the tyers forum and try to muster up a tutorial or osmething. Thanks.
Jake
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Well my Wife and I love Costa Rica ! The last time we went we had 2 other people with us so it put a damper on the fishing . but we did get out on the beach in cauhita where she banged a crocodile needlefish along with the bones . next time its just us and the pescados.. 
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Well, Pacific side is bluewater. What Mojo and Hillbilly (nice sea habits) said/showed would work just fine for Dorado, Roosters and inshore stuff. If you go after billfish you need to have specialized flies and tackle. I suggest you borrow a copy of Trey Combs Bluewater Flyfishing. It will answer most of your questions.
The Keys inside the reef in Belize offer small bones, good permit, tarpon seasonally and jacks and cuda's year around. Your best bet is to surf the web and go to the saltwater flyfishing sites and look at their pattern. Bones like small Charlies, Gotchas, etc., permit are pretty much crab flies and tarpon flies are usually attractor patterns that look like nothing or small minnows or shrimp about 3-4" long. As with billfish, tarpon fishing requires specialized gear unless you are fishing for fish under 50lbs, which are referred to as baby tarpon, but will kick your butt on an 8wt. Get some books and read as much as you can.
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Hillbilly, those look great. What is that synthetic material used on all those streamers? Coasta Rica is amazing - it would be without the fishing. I'll have to look into Cahuita. Got a reccomendation for a place to stay (we do time shares)? Any flatts nearby? How about tourism? Lots of gringos, or more remote?
Mark -
Thanks for the good word. We will not be going after billfish with flies. Not geared up for that. We will likely charter a day out on the blue for sails and/or dolphins. As for inshore species, do I understand correctly that fishing for bones, permit, jacks, tarpon, etc will not be as good since there are not as many reefs? See, I've got this idea in my head that I can wade out into the surf (since the surf was pretty minimal when i was in costa rica) and cast, strip, hook-up, repeat. Am I wrong? My experience in Belize was a whole lot of butt kicking on my 8 wt by baby poons and some barracuda - but this was an area protected by a reef, lots of flats and some deeper pools holding fish.
So..... here is my question: Where should I go if I want to do my own un-guided fly fishing (no boat, with an 8 wt.) and maybe charter a boat for billfish? Pacific side not the place? I'm open to suggestions here. I'll be searching the Web for the ideal do-it-yourself location. Thanks for the input.
Jake
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Jake: You are talking apples and oranges here. Pacific side does not have bonefish, tarpon and permit. Atlantic side does but it is more a jungle river/estuary sort of thing where you blind cast vs. sight cast. For these species I would suggest you stay in Belize.
On the Pacific side the only place I have fished from the shore is at Tamarindo. There are some jacks and a few snook in the surf. The barracuda are Pacific Barracuda and are tiny compared to Atlantic barracuda. It is possible to catch Roosters and Dorado from the shore, as it is in Cabo, but you have to be in the right place at the right time. Don't expect it. All my fishing has been from boats. You can hire a panga pretty cheap to do the inshore thing. Offshore is more expensive.
Hopefully, someone with more experience will chime in with some shore fishing opportunities.
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This is hillbilly's wife and I would reccomend 'Cauhita National Park Hotel' for $20 a night (American) $26 for a double , last I checked in Dec of 05' it was the best deal in town. Ceiling fans and they will bring the meals and drinks to your room. (Resturant down stairs with decent food) In Cauhita you can charter a small guided skiff for $50 a head for in shore and $100 for off shore with a local guide. Now, its not a high powered cruiser but if your going for the 'local' experience then for Ronaldo at Roberto's Resturant in town (ask the hotel owners they will know him). The hotel is ON the beach and the National Park is right next door. Fishing from shore is fun (away from the hotel), locals will tell you there is no fish in there but they are talking big and expensive fish. The howler monkey will wake you in the morning (4:00 A.M.) The beer is cheap and the night life swings on weekends. There are plenty of places to hire locals just be sure they come reccomended. Hasta la proxima!
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Hey Jakerau ; Wife forgot about the materials on baitfish imitations . Flashabou , Fishhair , Saltwater Krystal Flash (Ocean Green), and danged if I remember what they call that krinkly type of synth. hair but yea that stuff . Epoxy heads and stick on eyes. And dont forget the snook on the carribean side the big BIG SNOOK ! oh man they will hurt ya wire leaders for those brutes ... Go gettum buddy HBM
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Been a long time since I posted on this thread. Lets see if I can revivie it....
My trip is at the end of Aug. We are going to Flamingo Beach Resort (stayed there before). I have the area sort of dialed in, but will still have to do my own exploring when it comes to fishing. I know of a place that rents out sea kyaks for something like $15/day. So that will be on the list.I'll be looking for an in-shore guided/chartered trip this time around. Did the off shore big game last time, and I have a shiney new Loomis 9 wt. that I want to throw around. I'm planning on catching a mixed bag - you never know whats going to grab, right? But hopefully I can find some dorado - that is my goal for the trip, Dorado on the fly! Question: How do you make those big epoxy heads, and what is the brand of epoxy used? Another question: Anyone ever tie salt flies on circle hooks? Saw'm at Cabelas and decided I wanted to try.
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Jake, I used 5 minute epoxy, and I built a drying wheel out of some foam and a dowel. I stick all the flies on the wheel and put the dowel in my rod drying turner (you could use a rotisserie from a BBQ or other slow turning electric motor) then mix the epoxy. I then spread it on the heads with a small paintbrush, and turn on the wheel. I put the eyes on before I epoxy it, but the way. 10 minutes later they are done, but I don't put them in my fly box till the next day.
Circle hooks can present problems. I tried it, and did not like the results. I missed a bunch of fish before switching to J hooks and putting the hammer to them.
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I agree - circle hooks are a PITA! And for FLIES, they just don't work. They are designed for fishing with BAIT, where a fish swallows the bait, but you still hook him when he turns away, and it pulls out of his gullet, and you hook him in the side of the mouth. That's NOT the way flies work - they are a "bite, detect it is a fraud, and spit out" lure!!
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Here's a east coast fly board, mostly 'in the salt.' Good fellows and for a long time joined with the spey pages web board. If these guys don't know 'it,' it's not worth knowing.
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