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Just found out that today (April 4'th) the AK Dept. of Fish and Game announced an Abundance Index level of 1.60 for Southeast. Under this level, there is a very good possibility that Charter anglers in Southeast will see a 4 fish (Chinook Salmon) yearly limit. Obviously, this does not include special take areas around hatcheries where limits may be higher. So Grizz, you can take people to go catch even more of those dark boot lookin' things you guys call Kings around Ketch. As for AkKings, Navigator, and myself, we'll enjoy nice bright fish that actually fight and don't swim straight to the boat begging for death. In a short amount of time, we should hear from ADFG on whether the limit will be 3 per year or 4 per year for non-Residents.
Link is to the announcement.
http://www.sitnews.us/0407news/040407/040407_chinook.html
From the Abundance Index:
(d) When the king salmon abundance index is greater than 1.5, the commissioner shall, by
emergency order, implement the following measures to attain a harvest of 17% of the annual
harvest ceiling specified by the Pacific Salmon Commission, after the subtraction of commercial
net harvest specified in 5 AAC 33.367 from the harvest ceiling:
(1) when there is a cumulative sport underage of 10,000 fish or more:
(A) a resident bag limit of two king salmon;
(B) a nonresident bag limit of one king salmon; and
(C) a nonresident annual limit of four king salmon, 28 inches or more in length;
(2) when there is a cumulative sport overage or an underage of less than 10,000 fish
(A) a resident bag limit of two king salmon;
(B) a nonresident bag limit of one king salmon; and
(C) a nonresident annual limit of three king salmon, 28 inches or more in length.
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Finally, a little good news!
Let's see, 4 of these:
 
 
or 12 of these,
Hmmm?
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Count again smart a$$, there is 13 and 9 of them are just as mint bright as those fish ur postin, u may get bigger ones more often, but ask me if i care, i know the catch ratio at warren's is higher!
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Not to worry Chris I will have the bright ones cleaned out before ya get there. I would try that waterfall place but they don't let poor people fish there.
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i know the catch ratio at warren's is higher!
 Thanks CC, I always enjoy a good laugh 1st thing in the morning. You remind me of the ESPN commercial where the dude is "trying" to talk sports with his buddies but all he's doing is talking out his a$$,
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i know the catch ratio at warren's is higher!
Catch ratio, no. Snag ratio, yep, you definetly got us beat,
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"there is 13 and 9 of them are just as mint bright"
And where are those mint bright fish laying?
"i know the catch ratio at warren's is higher!"
Really??????? Hmmm, interesting, I didn't know that the Ketchikan area was ever one of the main influences on the King Salmon retention and mortality ratio for ADFG. Guess that must be why ADFG is always watching area 2C. To make sure we allow more fish to pass through to you guys on the inside. Since your catch ratio is higher and all. I think maybe you should have said something more like, "I'll go fish with Warren, as ADFG took pity on us, by allowing us to catch the dark, spawned-out hatchery fish of Ketchikan. Maybe with alittle more practice, I'll be able to go play with the big boys on the outside of POW." 
Now this ought to get this post rolling.
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Its nice to see you guys will be able to catch 4 Kings per YEAR!! I guess we will just have to put up with our 12 kings per day per person limits   
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"Its nice to see you guys will be able to catch 4 Kings per YEAR!! I guess we will just have to put up with our 12 kings per day per person limits"
Good morning Grizz, Glad to see you recognize our Kings with a capital "K", while those dark things you catch, get the smaller "k".
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I guess we will just have to put up with our 12 kings per day per person limits
Be honest now, how many days can you expect 12 fish days? I'll bet the number is single digits, the rest of the season is scratch fishing, we get 2 solid months where boat limits are the rule not the exception. I've spent 5 seasons fishing out of K-town, I know what the fishing is like there.
I guess if  is your thing, K-town is the place to be.
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I guess we will just have to put up with our 12 kings per day per person limits
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Be honest now, how many days can you expect 12 fish days? I'll bet the number is single digits, the rest of the season is scratch fishing, we get 2 solid months where boat limits are the rule not the exception.
Lets see.. I will be there 7 days x 12 fish = 84 FISH!! I would stay two months but what would I do with 672 FISH, Want me to ship you some of the extras?
Waterfall 4 verses Warrens 672... even chris has this figured out.
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Waterfall 4 verses Warrens 672... even chris has this figured out.
Don't count on it!
Again, you won't get 12 fish a day for 2 months, not in K-town, 2 weeks MAYBE??? and this is if you like fishing in a terminal area for half dead, mostly fish, enjoy,
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Tell ya what.. I will release the darkies so you can get a better index next year and keep ... hmm.. 5
Even Washington has better catch/keep limits than Waterfall. 
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This is getting quite funny. I've spent over 35 years fishing the Ketchikan area and it is nothing to have 12+ King days for a month to a month and a half. I'll take the 12 Kings per person any day over the 4 per year. The fish are mostly Chromers and thats 12 per day per person....Warren had some days last year that were 40 plus using the bobber meathod.....I guess we'll just have to suffer through another measly season and dream about the monsters??? on the outside.
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How about some pictures, come on Grizz you must have taken a couple shots of those 24/36/48 king days, lets see some of that Ketchikan chrome you guys are so proud of. Maybe Duff has a few he would like to share?
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How about some pictures, come on Grizz you must have taken a couple shots of those 24/36/48 king days, lets see some of that Ketchikan chrome you guys are so proud of. Maybe Duff has a few he would like to share?
If you would like to see a few of the pictures here a link
Grizz pics
I will be more than glad to take a picture of every fish and post them
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What I want to see is 1 pic with a 2 person or more limit @ 12 fish a piece, as good as the K-town fishing is this shouldn't be a problem should it? I've got hundreds of pics like you've got in that link.
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Ok this year i will take pictures of all the fish we catch just for you.
I normaly dont take a picture's of all the fish we catch
You can ake chrissy We had a few nights that we filet salmon until 1 am
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This is getting quite funny. I've spent over 35 years fishing the Ketchikan area and it is nothing to have 12+ King days for a month to a month and a half. I'll take the 12 Kings per person any day over the 4 per year. The fish are mostly Chromers and thats 12 per day per person....Warren had some days last year that were 40 plus using the bobber meathod.....I guess we'll just have to suffer through another measly season and dream about the monsters??? on the outside.
Some how i missed this
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How about some pictures, come on Grizz you must have taken a couple shots of those 24/36/48 king days, lets see some of that Ketchikan chrome you guys are so proud of. Maybe Duff has a few he would like to share?
I don't take a lot of pictures but I'm sure we could accomodate you this year. I do have a few pictures around if I can find them. 
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How bout that one u got in Tongass Jeff, nice Shortraker! Oh man, u mean, i gotta take a pictures of every fish just to satisfy a guide with an ego, geeze come on scott, this is the Guru ur talkin to, u want the A game, u got it!!! Look out warren, i'm puttin the tidewater float show on this year buddy! The only credit i myself will give u waterfaller's is the amount of substantially large fish u fellas get and u know what, good on ya, but i won't stand for this, my spot is better than ur spot attitude, each has its own ups and downs, ur bottom fishing for example is much much better, but the amount of Kings that Herring Cove hatchery gets is flat out awsome, the fishing is flat nuts, and no u don't have to snag and to say that they are all boots, get over urselves!
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What I want to see is 1 pic with a 2 person or more limit @ 12 fish a piece, as good as the K-town fishing is this shouldn't be a problem should it? I've got hundreds of pics like you've got in that link.
They don't call Ketchikan the King salmon capital of the world for nothing. I've heard that Waterfall is well known for being the HUMPY capital of southeast AK though so I guess you've got that going for ya.
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So you bring in these big hauls (mostly chromers
 ) and nobody has ever wanted or thought about a shot of the "big catch" come on now, were fisherman here, I can't believe there isn't 1 shot of a big stringer of fish, "if" such a stringer really ever existed 
Wait till this summer for pics you guys crack me up! just gives you more time to come up with more excuses.
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[quote}They don't call Ketchikan the King salmon capital of the world for nothing. I've heard that Waterfall is well known for being the HUMPY capital of southeast AK though so I guess you've got that going for ya.
I can think of a number of places that call themselves the "salmon capital of the world", pretty meaningless really.
As for pinks, I had a great year on them last season, I only caught maybe a dozen of them. I've been told they make great halibut bait 
BTW, are you related to CastawayChris, you bring a weak game just like him 
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"They don't call Ketchikan the King salmon capital of the world for nothing."
And who are "They"? I've always heard people refer to an unknown group as "They", but nobody really can tell me who "They" are. My opinion, they are just a bunch of self proclaimed experts, that live in every town, that thinks their s@#$ don't stink. So Jeff, if this is your best claim to fame for Ketchikan's salmon population? If so, you can keep it. It's kindda meaningless.
"I've heard that Waterfall is well known for being the HUMPY capital of southeast AK though so I guess you've got that going for ya"
Oh come on.....You must be a beginner at this
"Lets see.. I will be there 7 days x 12 fish = 84 FISH!!"
Damn Marty you better be rich! 84 Kings @ 20lb. ave (plus or minus)= approx. 840lbs of fillet product. Convert that into extra baggage fees with AK Air.......$1450 just in baggage fees!
Bottom line, do I wish we had a hatchery out on POW? YES! Do I look forward to when our first release Kings should return in 4 more years? YES! Then we can be just like Ketchikan and have a hatchery fishery where we can take our clients out to catch lots of non talent Kings. Then we all can look like heros everyday those fish are in.
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Nah I have alaska freight lined up with a barge to ship it back down. Got the flash freezer all lined up.. life is good.
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Bottom line, do I wish we had a hatchery out on POW? YES! Do I look forward to when our first release Kings should return in 4 more years? YES! Then we can be just like Ketchikan and have a hatchery fishery where we can take our clients out to catch lots of non talent Kings. Then we all can look like heros everyday those fish are in.
Sounds good... at least your dock boys will have something to clean that way.
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"Sounds good... at least your dock boys will have something to clean that way."
Exactly............Then at least our "dock boys" will have all that slime and decaying flesh, that came off those hatchery fish, to scrub off the dock. While our "fish cutters", use a spoon to fillet those tender morsels you guys call Kings.
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So talented one, why didn't you fish forester island when the kings were stacked instead of crying the blues about no fish. I know the commercial boys sure appreciated the solitude. Thats right you went to Muzon.. hehe
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[quote}They don't call Ketchikan the King salmon capital of the world for nothing. I've heard that Waterfall is well known for being the HUMPY capital of southeast AK though so I guess you've got that going for ya.
I can think of a number of places that call themselves the "salmon capital of the world", pretty meaningless really.
As for pinks, I had a great year on them last season, I only caught maybe a dozen of them. I've been told they make great halibut bait
BTW, are you related to CastawayChris, you bring a weak game just like him
Related to castaway chris? that's almost fighting words. As for the "King Salmon Capital of the World", It is known as such all over the world. If you look up salmon capital of the world it shows a picture of Ketchikan. Always has Always will. Also as long as you're talking about weak, what's weak is the ability to only keep 4 kings. I hope they're really, really big because it's going to take some monsters to equal 1 days catch here in Grizz's front yard. I don't care what you call it, It's fun. I've got over 35 years in here and wouldn't trade any of it. You're right about the halibut bait, by the way. Good fishin' to ya.
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How bout that one u got in Tongass Jeff, nice Shortraker! Oh man, u mean, i gotta take a pictures of every fish just to satisfy a guide with an ego, geeze come on scott, this is the Guru ur talkin to, u want the A game, u got it!!! Look out warren, i'm puttin the tidewater float show on this year buddy! The only credit i myself will give u waterfaller's is the amount of substantially large fish u fellas get and u know what, good on ya, but i won't stand for this, my spot is better than ur spot attitude, each has its own ups and downs, ur bottom fishing for example is much much better, but the amount of Kings that Herring Cove hatchery gets is flat out awsome, the fishing is flat nuts, and no u don't have to snag and to say that they are all boots, get over urselves!
It's mounted and on the wall at George Inlet Lodge, along with the State Record and IGFA Record Certificates. Fun Fish.
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How much time have you spent on the outside? I've got significant time in both areas, I've been offered guide jobs numerous times at 2 Ketchikan area lodges, $$$ is relatively the same, fishing isn't, I'll stay where I'm at thank you!
Just out of curiousity, what are the non-res. king limits around Ketchikan once your outside these terminal areas? just in case someone might want to come up and fish for something other then clones, maybe go look for a big king at say Camaano Pt., Ship Is (4 over 50 from there ) or Chacon.
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"So talented one, why didn't you fish forester island when the kings were stacked instead of crying the blues about no fish. I know the commercial boys sure appreciated the solitude. Thats right you went to Muzon.."
I did? Hmmm, let me think.......Nope, nowhere have you seen where I wrote that I didn't go to Forrester. Better check your facts, actually I was out there every chance the weather would let me. As for the going to Muzon, what you don't know is usually most of us went down there to catch Cohos. Why? Because we were mostly done on everything else. Our clients pay for an upto 10hr day, so when it's 10-10:30am and I'm done on Kings, Halibut, Lings, and Snapper I've gotta do something. Can't go home. Yes, it's true that later in the season, the Kings dried up and the Cohos at Muzon soon followed, but hey that's fishing. We all heard about some of the times K-town had last season. Some pretty dismal periods also.
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They should have! The commercial King season closed early last year, on the outside at least. So they should be glad with all the solitude with us not at the dock.
So, in many ways your post is incorrect. But hey, it's okay. Most people just babble on when they're in a conversation that they don't fully understand.
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"It's mounted and on the wall at George Inlet Lodge, along with the State Record and IGFA Record Certificates. Fun Fish."
So how big and what's your IGFA certificate for? (Line class or ?) I still enjoy hearing about large fish.
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Main thing I heard the commercial guys saying (yes, we talk to them too) is how much time/fuel they wasted looking for fish at Forrester. Do you also know the commercial boys home in on Waterfall boats like flies (maggots) on a corpse, true story, they see 20-25 WF boats fishing a spot they move right in on us, happens all the time.
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As far as I know the King Limit is the same through all SE Alaska for non-Res. 1 per day, 4 per year. The only exceptions are in the terminal fisheries areas which around Ketchikan is Herring Cove/Mountain Point (and all areas that are included, which is quite extensive) and the Neets Bay area. There really are a lot of nice fish that come in in those areas. We also do a lot of fishing from Camano Point to Ship Island for some really nice Kings.
The Southern end of Duke Island and the Percy's is pretty good also. As for fishing the outside I've fished inside and out. Both are Good. What makes ketchikan more appealing is the terminal limits. The residents as well as the non-Residents can catch 12 kings any size per day. It is phenominal fishing at its finest.
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I'll try to find one of my pictures of it. It was a short raker. The previous Ak State record for rockfish was 26 pounds. the one I caught was 36 lbs 13 oz., the IGFA line class was unlimited. IT was pretty cool. I almost fileted it without even knowing about the record, but a fish counter at the dock saw it and went balistic on me, and told me to get it weighed. I couldn't weigh it in until 10 the next morning so it lost a little weight in the 10 hours overnight. a lot of fun though.
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Actually, I knew the limits, I just wanted others to hear that its just a very limited area that allows 12 kings.
I don't know if things have changed at the Ketchikan hatcheries since 94 (my last season at Salmon Falls) but the main things I remember fishing those terminal fisheries (mainly out of desperation) and yes, I did fish them, were the quality of the fish, you will never convince me they even remotely compare to what we get on the outside, and, 1 day they bite full speed, the next day you troll back and forth for hours waiting for that 30 minute bite to turn on, I also, can't remember many clients wanting to do it more then once. Again, I guess if this is your thing, go for it, you would probably hate it where I fish where your limited to only 1 fish for non-res. (2 for residents like yourself or was it 3 last year?), 97% are as bright as a new dime, and many of our cookie-cutter 25lbs. kings will fool you into thinking there 40, and our 40's would probably just tear you guys apart. Anyways, enjoy those 12 kings and I'll enjoy catching and releasing 12 a day looking for those "better grade fish". Then once were done with that, we'll go load up on everything else, just like you K-towners do
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That's agood equation, maggots to a corpse,,, that's how good thr fishing was up there for Silvers last year Scott? Comparable to a corpse?
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Just remember Brian, its all part of the cycle, last year was a down year in the cycle, and not just at WF. I would bet anything that we have a "typical" Waterfall coho season this year, 20 minute run over to Baker Is. (campground) for 24 silvers in under 2 hours, then run upto Noyes Is. and bang out our kings, then finish up the day bottomfishing. Very typical every year but 2006, who knows, maybe its Muzon's year to take a hit, wouldn't that be a shame for your buddies, especially since their pretty much stuck there.
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Hey Brian, did you know Waterfall has been fishing Muzon for years, longer then your buddies camp has been there, its not like were travelling out of our normal fishing grounds to go there, its just 1 of MANY options we have.
Thats the advantage of having a fleet of fast boats, at least in comparison to Uniflites.
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You're a dreamer.#1 The Terminal areas encompass most of the Ketchikan area, even though we catch kings in that so called terminal area from all over the west coast. #2 The fish quality, unless you catch the darkies in the creek, is the same as the dime brite kings you catch because guess what they're dime brite here also, unless your looking through your rose colored glasses. If you fished anyplace here but in front of the hatchery you'd remember that. Yes there are some dark fish here as the season progresses but there are by far more bright ones than dark ones and as for the fight difference between here and there, I've fished both places and I've never noticed the so called difference. were you fishing neets bay? I'm assuming so since you were hawking out of Salmon Falls. I see alot of repeat clients come through Ketchikan fishing the Terminal Fisheries and I have yet to here one complain that the would rather go to Waterfall to catch their 4 kings. Life goes on and I'll still be catching 12 per day to your 1 per day for........oh, only 4 total kings.
Grizz seems to have a lot of "repeat" people coming up again this year to fish at his place........Maybe they just want the wimpy wittle king salmon. 12 PER DAY!!!!!   
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Guess things must have changed drastically since 94, and no, I didn't only fish Neets Bay, spent alot of time from Mt Pt. all the way down to Cape Alava(George/Carroll inlet,  ) We had a range that included Chacon so going to the otherside of town was no big deal.
Are you serious, those hatchery fish at the end of there journey fight just as well as our ocean fish, step away from the pipe dude. Apples and oranges.
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GEe Scott, 2 hour run comparable to 15 minutes..... And I kinda like those old slow Uniflites....
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2 hours? not in my boat, 1:40 , I still like having options/speed, you can have the slow boat.
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that's where you're off a little. like I said already there are a lot of fish in the ketchikan area that are not from the hatcheries here. I had forgotten another item also. the hatchery fish on the south end when you fished here were released at the end of Carrol Inlet at Swan Lake power plant. Back then a good portion of the Mountain point fish were passing through to swan lake or ketchikan creek, but even then there were fish passing through just like they do on the outside. Unlike here you don't have resident fish....yet. some day that may change if they get permission for a king hatchery. I'm not denying that you get nice fish out there, but we do in here too. As for Wimpy fish I stand by what I said earlier I've fished both places and the fight is the same here as it is there. The Chromers are the same here as the the chromers are there. A Chrome king is a Chrome King is a Chrome King .....
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"some day that may change if they get permission for a king hatchery."
That permission came about 4 years ago. Presently, our hatchery Kings are due for a release, I believe this year, from the creek in Port St. Nicholas Channel. They were going to release last year, but decided to wait till they got a little bigger.
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If you'd like to try the difference maybe to refresh your memory you should book a trip to Grizz's place and try a real fishing trip. He catches more fish than a lot of the locals that have lived here all their lives.
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If you'd like to try the difference maybe to refresh your memory you should book a trip to Grizz's place and try a real fishing trip. He catches more fish than a lot of the locals that have lived here all their lives.
ya all we get is just little nasty old
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Congrats on your record. Never seen one that big. Know short rakers get quite a bit larger, according to some friends who caught them commercially (while long lining). I've seen a few 30lb Rockfish at the Resort over the years.
But enough of the niceness, thought you were talking about a King Salmon mount initially. This is getting off the subject.
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Fishing at Waterfalls 4 fish = $2,500 to $5,100 + Tips + Plane ticket
Fiahing at Grizzs (K-town) 12 fish chrome and boot = plane ticket + great company + friends + tips of moose drool and alaskan amber. I would take #2 and I have never been to eighter!! LIL
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I can't even really believe this stuff, for one i'm always one to give credit where its deserved, no matter if someone gives it back or not, but there is a line to draw here! Does waterfall have nice big ocean bright kings and catch substantial amounts of big kings every year, YES! Does it have great bottom fishing YES! Do the guides at waterfall think there shiat smells better than everyone elses for no damn reason than to make themselves feel better and superb, YES!!! There is no reason that everytime a Salmon in Alaska thread comes up to have u two scotts intentionally lash out on the grizz den, which everytime one of u starts it, for god sakes, it was started in the initial post of this topic and others when it wasn't even commented on yet! I don't know what it is, u think u guys are superior fisherman or what, i hope thats not the case for u need an "AWAKENING"! Oh and as far as ur "are ur related to Castaway" comment, u don't even know me, most of these guys/gals(aunty, u are not forgotten) on this board know me and its all fun and games, so wipe the A$$hole of ur tongue for its a little dirtier than necessary! I don't see Navigator doin this on the board or even at his house and i partake in dinner with him and his wife once a week or more and visit more than that and talk via the phone daily! This is not the way to promote waterfall publicly if u ask me, or is it the Waterfall Way!!! I didn't join this site to be the best, but u know, i wonder about u two! As far as the fight being better too, PLEASE, kings are kings, i've seen OCEAN kings in La push and Neah that just lazy there way up and not just one! If bashing the grizz den is all u guys got to do, do it on Lamefishin.com please!!!
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He catches more fish than a lot of the locals that have lived here all their lives.
Honestly, I don't doubt that for a second, I can only remember a few locals that impressed me. Back in 1990, my first year, all I ever saw the "locals" doing was trolling downriggers, very 1 dimensional, I don't remember any that had a clue about mooching or jigging, they would look at us like we were nuts, right up until they saw the results. The head guide at SF at the time (1 of the biggest names in K-town charter fishing) offered to teach a buddy of mine (to this day the best salmon fisherman I've ever met) how to use downriggers if he would teach the head guide how to mooch, my buddy had no interest in downriggers and as a rookie to the area, regularly smoked the locals and there downriggers, we still laugh about that.
Thanks but I'll have to decline on that offer, I really do know which grass is greener.
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CC, its all in fun, if you don't like it or can't hang with the guys, don't read the posts, pretty simple really, they us, we them. Just for me!
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I got a pm about a Peace Treaty between the two scotts and grizz, sorry, i was under the intention u guys were poking at grizz for a superiority purpose! Talked with warren on the phone a little bit ago and he mentioned nothing about being friendly, in fact he told me to let you guys have a piece of my mind, so i let ya have all of it lol!!! Ok Ok, my apologies, but the game is still on the last week of june, u know this means i'm gonna have to hire a photographer with a high speed camera!!!
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Better be a high speed camera, so Grizz can get a shot of you fighting it before you give it the Sequim twitch and loss the damn thing.
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lmao, and to think, i thought we were talking fishing and not about sequim crackheads! HARD TO LOSE WITH THREE HOOKS FULL OF FLESH!!! My sequim twitch has disipated over the years, i didn't lose many fish this year, course i didn't fish as many days either!!!
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He catches more fish than a lot of the locals that have lived here all their lives.
Honestly, I don't doubt that for a second, I can only remember a few locals that impressed me.
Thanks but I'll have to decline on that offer, I really do know which grass is greener.
The greener grass must be in your pipe, and the part about locals not impressing you was really good. that must have been a three or four bowl per day year.
I've fished a lot of Kings over the years and all the methods have there time and place and they all produce. Depends on a lot of variables.
I know a lot of local that catch one heck of a lot of fish. So you can live in your little "green" world and enjoy your "4" fish per year limit.
I'm sure glad I've got the Guru to talk to maybe you could hold some classes in hwo to catch a king here in poor old broken down, don't know how to fish, Ketchikan since you are the Professor with a degree in BS.
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Nice fish!!! fun place to fish too, when the weather lets us get out there.
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I'm not saying they don't catch fish, just from what I saw (15 years ago) all the locals ever did and seemed to know how to do was troll downriggers, not that there is anything wrong with that, its a very productive way to fish, most of the time.
My take on it, most locals have such good fishing that they can get by only specializing in 1 technique (downriggers) and most are pretty good at it, no need to learn anything else, if they don't catch anything, well the fish just weren't biting that day. I think guys that fish Wa./Or./N Cal for salmon where the fishing generally doesn't compare to Alaska have to learn and be proficient at more techniques, trolling, mooching, jigging etc. to consistantly produce, by the time I started fishing in Ak. at 23 years old I would consider myself quite proficient at all of those, does that make me a better fisherman, maybe, maybe not, but it sure gives me alot more options which IMO has got to be a good thing.
Just my $.02 worth.
Maybe since I've left things have changed but I would have to believe if I showed up at Survey Pt or Mt. Pt or any of the big name local spots and started mooching (my preferred method) all the trollers would be telling me to get out of there way, which I would as soon as I netted my fish
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I'm not saying they don't catch fish, just from what I saw (15 years ago) all the locals ever did and seemed to know how to do was troll downriggers, not that there is anything wrong with that, its a very productive way to fish, most of the time.
My take on it, most locals have such good fishing that they can get by only specializing in 1 technique (downriggers) and most are pretty good at it, no need to learn anything else, if they don't catch anything, well the fish just weren't biting that day. I think guys that fish Wa./Or./N Cal for salmon where the fishing generally doesn't compare to Alaska have to learn and be proficient at more techniques, trolling, mooching, jigging etc. to consistantly produce, by the time I started fishing in Ak. at 23 years old I would consider myself quite proficient at all of those, does that make me a better fisherman, maybe, maybe not, but it sure gives me alot more options which IMO has got to be a good thing.
Just my $.02 worth.
Maybe since I've left things have changed but I would have to believe if I showed up at Survey Pt or Mt. Pt or any of the big name local spots and started mooching (my preferred method) all the trollers would be telling me to get out of there way, which I would as soon as I netted my fish
Thats the first thing that you ever said that makes sense
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 coming from you, that means so little 
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I'm not saying they don't catch fish, just from what I saw (15 years ago) all the locals ever did and seemed to know how to do was troll downriggers, not that there is anything wrong with that, its a very productive way to fish, most of the time.
My take on it, most locals have such good fishing that they can get by only specializing in 1 technique (downriggers) and most are pretty good at it, no need to learn anything else, if they don't catch anything, well the fish just weren't biting that day. I think guys that fish Wa./Or./N Cal for salmon where the fishing generally doesn't compare to Alaska have to learn and be proficient at more techniques, trolling, mooching, jigging etc. to consistantly produce, by the time I started fishing in Ak. at 23 years old I would consider myself quite proficient at all of those, does that make me a better fisherman, maybe, maybe not, but it sure gives me alot more options which IMO has got to be a good thing.
Just my $.02 worth.
Maybe since I've left things have changed but I would have to believe if I showed up at Survey Pt or Mt. Pt or any of the big name local spots and started mooching (my preferred method) all the trollers would be telling me to get out of there way, which I would as soon as I netted my fish
Thats the first thing that you ever said that makes sense
I too have to agree here lol!!!! Yes scott the locals were just trolling downriggers from what i saw and they weren't that productive most of the time! I think i tried more methods from the beach than any of them boats did! In fact, from the beach no body there knows how to fish any other way than snag and with cove being sooo small and the boundaries restricted to the outside of the green rocks, when the snaggers come in force u can't even begin to try and fish ethically, so if u can't beat them(and there was no way too when i was there on most days), join em!!! So, i went home with my fish, but man, i can't wait to fish em with floats or hardware this year at lowtide when no one is there!
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Another good place to watch the talented local fishermen is Ketchikan creek in the spring when the steelhead are there, full speed snagging at its finest, I rented a house 1 spring/summer right by the library, watching the local steelhead "fishermen" was comical.
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Don't know how the fishing is there now but it was pretty damn good then, April & May, best time was a couple hours before high slack until the tide started to turn, then it would shut off, fish were flushing in and out with the tide. all the usual gear worked just don't bring any bait with you! another couple places worth checking out are Ward creek and White river (needed a key to drive thru the gate) we didn't get as many but they were nicer fish from what I remember (17 years ago)
If you really want to have some fun take a boat upto Yes Bay and hike up MacDonald creek with either a fly rod or spinning gear, not a bad idea to pack heat, thats brownie country. Good all summer long.
Naha river was also fun but I always ran into other hikers/fisherman there, prefer a little more solitude.
You should check some of these places out on future trips.
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Cool, if i ever get a chance to go on spring break to alaska, i might try that! Kind of hard to leave home at that time being prime here!!!
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Summertime is also a good time to hit these for trout (generally not 8-10" planters either) and returning salmon, had some awesome cnr days on MacDonald for silvers and sockeye.
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Don't know how the fishing is there now but it was pretty damn good then, April & May, best time was a couple hours before high slack until the tide started to turn, then it would shut off, fish were flushing in and out with the tide. all the usual gear worked just don't bring any bait with you! another couple places worth checking out are Ward creek and White river (needed a key to drive thru the gate) we didn't get as many but they were nicer fish from what I remember (17 years ago)
If you really want to have some fun take a boat upto Yes Bay and hike up MacDonald creek with either a fly rod or spinning gear, not a bad idea to pack heat, thats brownie country. Good all summer long.
Naha river was also fun but I always ran into other hikers/fisherman there, prefer a little more solitude.
You should check some of these places out on future trips.
I hate to always have to correct you, but its Wolverine Creek that comes out of lake MacDonald
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c'mon Grizz, you gotta cut him a little slack after all it was 17 years ago, memory is a little off kinda like with the king fight issue
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Sorry I offered the help, I'll no better next time.
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Sorry I offered the help, I'll no better next time.
I'm Just bustin your chops,
Wolverine Creek is an awesome place to fish for trout, steelhead, sockeye, coho, etc. Easy to get to and a lot of fish. One of the better streams around here to fish.
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Duffmeister,
Thought this was up along your alley.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/06/old.rockfish.ap/index.html
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That fish is huge. It's only 2 inches longer than mine but almost 25 lbs heavier. 2700 ft is a long way down though.
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