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the columbian newspaper reported that the SW colubia tribs will be chucked full of silvers this fall. there will be four adult daily limits. cowlitz, NFL,kalama for sure these rivers. was certain there was a couple more too. i'm on the WDFG email list, and get all notices sent to me. however this notice i did not get. HHHHM. so not sure how the couve paper got this early tip. the great thing about silver season is its right in the middle of shootm'up riffle season. leaves brewer all to himself on hot fall rivers. 
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Amazing what happens when the nets are out of the water. Sure hope this is all true...nothing better than a hot silver in my opinion.
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It would be nice if they left the limits to 2 a day and let the populations blow up.
Oh well. Like anyone needs to bring home 4 a day.
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it just doesn't work that way nick. overflow is overflow, its all cycles. last year most of the silver fishing was poor. cowlitz had tons of silvers, but those silvers only bite in high water. last the kalama and washougal was closed to any silvers. the year before the kalama was very productive. seems like every other year is great while the even year royally sucks! just brewer assesment. i don't recall how the halis did last fall or even the year before.
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seems like every other year is great while the even year royally sucks!
Um, maybe because every other year they close the system or reduce the limits and every other year they open it back up with 4 fish limits. 1+1=2. 1-1=0.
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Chehalis this last fall sucked, but year before was pretty decent if I recall right.(think we had some early rain and the first push of silvers escaped most of the masses since the rivers weren't open yet)
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One of the worst years on the Chehalis I have ever seen for Coho. The year before was pretty dang good. Four fish limits sound great. (not on the Chehalis) I like to see that rather than all those fish gettin dark and killed at the hatchery or put in some lake after they've got ugly.
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Shouldn't have any effect on the Halis, this is a Columbia trib ruling I believe. No Kings = No Nets, No Nets = Silvers!!
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Oh well. Like anyone needs to bring home 4 a day.
My smokehouse will hold 50 silvers.
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Oh well. Like anyone needs to bring home 4 a day.
My smokehouse will hold 50 silvers.
And these are hatchery fish we are talking about, assuming large returns the hatcheries will fill their broodstock quotas quickly. These fish are raised by taxpayers cash, so why not allow the taxpayers to reap the benefits of a bumper crop. One man taking four silvers home just for himself would be alot of fish. That's why there are smokehouses like Fishhead5's and freezers. When those are filled then there are relatives and friends who are unable to fish or who might just enjoy some salmon for dinner.
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Oh well. Like anyone needs to bring home 4 a day.
My smokehouse will hold 50 silvers.
Man 50?? Mine only holds about 15 at once. Dude, I should just have you smoke all mine for me.
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Oh well. Like anyone needs to bring home 4 a day.
My smokehouse will hold 50 silvers.
I'm sure it will. And an indian's net will hold 500 silvers. What is your point Chief Fishhead5 Runningwater?
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And these are hatchery fish we are talking about, assuming large returns the hatcheries will fill their broodstock quotas quickly. These fish are raised by taxpayers cash, so why not allow the taxpayers to reap the benefits of a bumper crop.
True, however there are always rivers around the state that have very low returns and could use some of the egg intake. Billyjoe River has 4 fish limits while Skunknuts River is closed because they aren't expecting enough. Skunknuts could get opened if billyjoe river donates some of their eggs intake from the massive run. Then Billyjoe river won't be as crowded, people won't have to travel across the state to catch a silver.
The NF Stilly runs short of summer runs all the time. They get eggs and fry from the Skykomish river. That means the sky is getting tons of extra fish. Should they raise the limit to 3 steelies? No, spread em' out. We have enough crowding going on as it is.
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And these are hatchery fish we are talking about, assuming large returns the hatcheries will fill their broodstock quotas quickly. These fish are raised by taxpayers cash, so why not allow the taxpayers to reap the benefits of a bumper crop.
True, however there are always rivers around the state that have very low returns and could use some of the egg intake. Billyjoe River has 4 fish limits while Skunknuts River is closed because they aren't expecting enough. Skunknuts could get opened if billyjoe river donates some of their eggs intake from the massive run. Then Billyjoe river won't be as crowded, people won't have to travel across the state to catch a silver.
The NF Stilly runs short of summer runs all the time. They get eggs and fry from the Skykomish river. That means the sky is getting tons of extra fish. Should they raise the limit to 3 steelies? No, spread em' out. We have enough crowding going on as it is.
Have to say, the guy has got a good point here fellas, we do it here on the Peninsula extensively, why not else where!
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If there is egg sharing going on, then that sounds like a good plan to me, and it makes sense, amazing that anything is done that makes sense these days.
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Now only if we could get WDFWM to understand this! Maybe a future CCA topic of discussion! Aunty, ur thoughts please! Egg sharing in rivers with low returns or almost non existing returns vs. higher limits on rivers with high returns, it would be in our favor to do an egg sharing! Maybe do both, drop it to 3 and do some egg sharing, or is that not such a good idea!
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"True, however there are always rivers around the state that have very low returns and could use some of the egg intake"
LOL, you guys have so much to learn...Sure, here is 100,000 coho eggs from the NF Lewis/Cowlitz...You take them up to one of your many OP rivers...sorry bud, wont work like that...Mother nature wont let it happen, F&G knows it, I know it, look it up if you don't believe me.
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"True, however there are always rivers around the state that have very low returns and could use some of the egg intake"
LOL, you guys have so much to learn...Sure, here is 100,000 coho eggs from the NF Lewis/Cowlitz...You take them up to one of your many OP rivers...sorry bud, wont work like that...Mother nature wont let it happen, F&G knows it, I know it, look it up if you don't believe me.
Then how is it that the Cowlitz has a summer run steelhead program? There never was a native summer run on the Cowlitz and the original broodstock came from either the Wind or Washougal River, I can't remember. So, the facts are, that eggs from one system can be used in another. Why wouldn't it work on the OP?
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sorry bud, wont work like that...Mother nature wont let it happen, F&G knows it, I know it, look it up if you don't believe me.
That is not true. It is done across the state already. Some strains adapt better than others. Skamania summer steelhead for example will adapt to pretty much any river that is wet, but a native summer steelhead from any other WA stream won't. They don't take for whatever reason.
The fact is that it is being done already. You think Coho, Chinook, Pink, Winter/Summer steelhead are native to the great lakes?
And not just the GL area. Cascade River Spring/Summer Chinook broodstock are taken from Diobsud Creek. Same river "System" two completely different tributaries from two completely different watersheds.
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Don't let me forget SF Nooksack Coho original broodstock was not taken from the SF Nooksack. The tribal hatchery I am almost positive they got them from one of the Samish hatcheries back in the mid 1900's when they were still processing Coho.
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LOL, you guys have so much to learn...
LOL, Evidently not from you....
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Because the state has tried just that for decades and it did not work. Didn't work for Coho, Chinook nor Chum.
The Skamania steelhead summer run stock on the other hand has been successful in establishing self sustaining runs in the Cowlitz, Wynoochee and Green rivers.
Chambers Creek winter fish on the other hand generally can't survive without a hatchery.
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Nick there is probably a high degree of genetic relationship between runs within a basin and also between adjacent basins. Why? It's called straying.
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SF Nooksack and Samish basins are back to back watersheds and probaly share the same headwater sources from groundwater and runoff. 
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WDF tried stocking Hood Canal chums in the Nooksack for years. Didn't work.
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SF Nooksack and Samish basins are back to back watersheds and probaly share the same headwater sources from groundwater and runoff.
SF Nooksack is fed almost exclusively from Mt. Baker. Samish is fed from runoff alone. No spring/summer/fall snowpack or glacier runoff for the Samish. They are also very different as far as spawning grounds. The samish even in the upper stretches is muddier, tight small gravel and silt with little flow whereas the SF Nooksack's upper spawning grounds is fully of softball-basketball sized boulders, swift runs so how a fish can switch between those two but not another doesn't make much sense.
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WDF tried stocking Hood Canal chums in the Nooksack for years. Didn't work.
Why? The nookie has one of the biggest runs of chums in the state.
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Actually it's not all runoff. Genetic tests of fish from adjacent rivers often find genetic connections due to straying.
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At the time it didn't.
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The state tried for several years to establish wild runs of spring chinook in Hood Canal in the early 90's using Sol Duc stock which we all know are NICE fish. Didn't work.
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