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Anyone care to guess why the HC chum didn't work in the Nooksack? 
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I'm talking about COHO here bud! Not fast water trash fish...A summer run steelhead is about like a sqawfish...Will grow in a ditch if you give it food, O2 and cover...
Look it up and do your home work, I did it for 2 freakin years. Outbasin stocks are not the ancwer!
There are streams that will take an outbasin stock just fine, but most of the time, they wont...Say if you take an inland stream and plant fish on a costal stream a 100 miles away, your not gonna get any place very fast!
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Another problem. If Podunk river with a hatchery run of coho is expected to get a low unfishable return this year what would bringing in eggs from Bodump river do for that fishery this year? Nothing. Will it mean a fishable return next season? Maybe maybe not.
Next problem. A river in Puget Sound has low numbers of native coho and no hatchery fish. Do you really believe flooding said river with hatchery smolts from a Columbia river trib is a good idea? Especially if it brings on a crowd?
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Geeee uncle Gooose, wouldn't the hatchery smolts outcompete the nate smolts for food, further depleting the native run?
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Ding ding ding!!!! I think we have a winner.
Tell the man what he's won Gooose! (I bet it's dirty moderating job!)
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Why yes they would.
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Aunty  .
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Hey, let somebody else be Guido once in a while!
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So you'll notice that someone asked for your opinion on the subject. Care to post it? 
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Kingfisher, just for the record, i was referring to the coho and steelhead stocks being interchanged here on the peninsula, not from SW WA streams and peninula streams! I talk to the hatchery staff on a few streams i fish every year just about and they tell me of Bogey fish being taken elswhere and eggs being trucked to other hatcheries! Also between the Dungy and Elwha! I've heard nothing negative from them on the program they run!
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Bogey hatchery steelhead are Chambers Creek stock as are nearly all winter hatchery fish in the state. Not all but pretty much all. So where do we need more of those?
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I've heard nothing negative from them on the program they run!
Would you expect them to bash their own work?
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chambers creek..
Don't matter how many you put in a system if your overharvesting the ones your trying to save before they get in the river. shut down the sporties and let the coyotes run the hen house.
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The more hatchery fish put in a river the more native fish that are going to die.
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perhaps but if they released them with supplementation it should negate the food requirements for the out journey.
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Gooose shhh... you don't want people to understand all this? I don't think many of them can handle the truth.
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Marty, what about food requirments in the ocean? Isn't there still a problem with hatchery plants consumption of biomass after they migrate out?(AKA poor ocean conditions)
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True to a point Marty. There are a number of other strategies that could also be used to minimize negative competition/interaction between hatchery and wild juveniles.
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NickVellios said:Cascade River Spring/Summer Chinook broodstock are taken from Diobsud Creek. Same river "System" two completely different tributaries from two completely different watersheds.
I thought they were from the Suiattle.
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I can be but the nutrients are normally much greater in the salt. How long do you have to wait to bring the cycle back up to its peak? if your continuing to downtrend you need to bump it in all areas that will make a difference. Best habitat with no nutrients and over harvest keeps the down cycle going. Our escapement goals need to include required biomass year round in the river systems for the natives to survive. Our calculations are on spawning pairs not the feed needed to sustain those smolts. Until programs are in place to reverse the trend of down biomass in the river system. WE NEED DEAD ROTTING FISH LINING THE BANKS
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huh, yea! i see, but hey what about that for fish limit huh? huh! yea!!! how about a october kalama tilla? who ever fails to limit 4 silvers has to spend the night along banks with rotting biomass.
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That would be hilarious!
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With a 4 fish limit it'll be time to break out the yella rod!
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ugh, every time they raise the limits during fall salmon season, it's like ringing the jethro dinner bell and all of the yokels come running with their snagging gear...
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ugh, every time they raise the limits during fall salmon season, it's like ringing the jethro dinner bell and all of the yokels come running with their snagging gear...
There's gonna be tons of yokels out. It's a Humpy year.
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Lets just go yokel watchin' Trout...
Humpies = salmon on a trout rod! FUN!!!
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The Yokel Circus is fun to watch. You learn some amazing things.
The ultra lights were a blast last time. This year I'm using my Noodle rod and 4 lb.
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If hatchery smolts outcompete native smolts, then why can't hatchery smolts grow up and spawn naturally, thus taking over a stream? Do they have poor eggs/sperm? Unable to build a proper redd? Or are they just losers because they grew up in a concrete tank? Like a city kid trying to make it in the country.
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Hatchery fish spawn in the Skookumchuck each year. That could be one of the reasons there are so many Nates in the upper Chehalis.
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i sure can't wait to drift some eggs for some chrome silvers this fall... they are expecting a strong run this year??
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