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So what's the word? Will there be a Sockeye harvest? Thought we should get some conversation going so next months plans can be made.
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Fraser Feva--I was up there July 4 weekend vacation in Harrison. The river is very very high.
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FJ - Right now there are some kings being caught. As far as the Socks go.... Im sure there will be a fishery, but only The Shadow knows when. River is WAY up.
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I think your camping spot at the top end of Grassy bar is under about 5 feet of water right now FJ.
I think I'm gonna be up higher again this year if I make it up.
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Dad's been going up to Spaghetti and doing pretty well lately. Nothing much over 20lbs though. I'll ask him tonight about any sox rumors
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Steve are we talking week days or weekend. I vote for August 7 thru 9. Do we think the river will be down or will it continue to flow really High. Do we need to shoot for later in the Month. Me and Junkie are trying to figure it out. 
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A sockeye opening is expected in August....
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Sox Schmox...
Check out this lil puppy Just a wee lil Fraser nook
I'm going up there next wknd.
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Welcome to board Sienna! That's quite pig in the pic Geoff...red chinook?
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Yowsa!!
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fishhog
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That's a HOG!!!!!
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MM, the Fraser gets spring/summer chinooks called red sprngs or red chinook due to the red color of the meat. They get fall chinooks known as white springs or white chinook also due to the color of the flesh. Those start showing up later in the year. Right now the spring/summer fish have red meat.
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The reds are excellent while the whites... taste like crap  Still fun to catch though.
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Funny, my buddy caught a white a while back, still chrome. He said it tasted fine. I just can't wrap my mind around eating white fleshed salmon. It is a visual thing.
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Nice Hawg
hooking a Spring does not gaurantee a red it could have white meat. A fall white in the Harrison/Vedder are built for fightin not eatin.
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I've only taken ONE king home from the Vedder, and once was enough.
Some say, you can tell if it's a red or a white, by looking down it's throat or behind the gill plate. I don't know if it's true or not.
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Any word on an opening yet?
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Still no word. Not even any good rumors. I went up this wknd to fish with Dad. Stopped in at my favorite shop and nobody had heard any credible rumor on way or another, but the predicted numbers seem to be way down. (not that DFO predictions are that credible either...)
On Saturday, we hit a few (very few) sox up near Spaghetti, but nothing worth heading up yet for even if it was open for retention. Even the criminals with the nets were not getting many that we saw. We had many opportunities to see them pulling up their nets. Many. They were all over the place. Small sleds and ~ 100 ft long drift nets. I've never seen so many in one day, and it was NOT open for the criminals to be using nets. I stopped counting at 25 different boats; they moved around a lot, setting their drift, drifting right past you (close enough to see if they needed a shave or not) and then moving to another spot.
All of it illegal. All of it blatant in your face.
They would power up right in front of you, set their nets a few hundreds yds up, then drift right on by. To add insult to injury, DFO chartered helos and float planes would low fly over the sporties every once in a while, just for appearances.
In the restaraunt parking lot where we stopped for lunch, some guy approached us asking if we wanted to buy some fresh salmon, caught just that morning....
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Subject: FN0519-Salmon: Fraser River Sockeye Update - July 27 - Areas 11 to 29
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The Fraser River Panel met today to examine biological and other assessment data on Fraser River sockeye salmon. In general, test fishing catches in marine and Fraser River assessment areas have continued to indicate a very low migration of sockeye salmon thus far this season. Estimates of Fraser River sockeye escapement past Mission and observations of sockeye passing Hells Gate similarly have also been very low.
The proportion of five year old sockeye in test-fishing catches to-date has been much higher than forecast and is another factor that suggests extreme weakness in the return of some four year old Fraser sockeye stocks, which were expected to comprise most of the total Fraser sockeye production in 2007. The weak return of four year old Fraser sockeye thus far is following a pattern that is similar to the low returns observed to several other B.C. and Washington sockeye stocks this season. For example, the return of four year old Somass River sockeye is tracking less than one-third of the forecast to-date. Although the possibility of later than expected marine migration timing of Fraser sockeye cannot be ruled out, assessments of Early Stuart, Lake Washington and Somass River sockeye do not suggest that their migration timing is significantly later than average.
The estimated spawning escapement of Fraser sockeye in 2003 (the brood year of the four year old sockeye returning now) was almost 2,000,000 fish, which, based on past observations, would normally produce a reasonably strong return of Fraser River sockeye four years later (i.e., in 2007). Poor marine environmental conditions for juvenile sockeye in 2005 when the four year old sockeye returning in 2007 entered the ocean as juveniles (i.e., generally warm water temperatures, low oxygen levels, and low food availability), may have negatively impacted juvenile-to-adult survival rates for at least some of the Fraser sockeye stocks returning this season. The performance of this years four year old sockeye return will be assessed further as the season progresses, and as additional test fishery and escapement data are collected.
The marine migration of Early Stuart sockeye is complete. At the meeting today, the Panel approved an in-season run size estimate of 13,000 Early Stuart sockeye, which is less than one-third of the pre-season 50% probability level forecast of 45,000 fish. The estimated 50% passage date of Early Stuart sockeye through Area 20 this season is July 1, which is consistent with the pre-season forecast of their marine timing. The estimated escapement of Early Stuart sockeye past Mission through July 26 is 12,000 fish.
The migration of Early Summer-run sockeye through marine and Fraser River assessment areas has been very low thus far and it is very unlikely that they will reach their forecast level of abundance (50% probability level forecast of 690,000 fish) A more accurate assessment of their run size will be available next week. The estimated escapement of Early Summer-run sockeye past Mission through July 26 is 7,000 fish.
Summer-run sockeye (Chilko, Quesnel, Stellako, and Late Stuart) were forecast to comprise slightly over half (3,369,000 fish at the 50% probability level forecast) of the total Fraser River sockeye run in 2007 and harvest opportunities were focused on this timing-group in the pre-season fishing plan. It is early in the migration of Summer-run sockeye through the marine assessment areas and an update on their run size and marine migration timing will likely not be available until after the first week of August.
Migration conditions for sockeye in the Fraser River are presently satisfactory. On July 26, the Fraser River discharge at Hope was about 6,100 cms, which is approximately 26% higher than normal, while the water temperature at Qualark Creek was 16.7 0C, which is slightly lower than average for this date. The discharge of the Fraser River at Hope is forecast to continue to decline while water temperatures are forecast to increase to approximately 18.5 0C by mid next week. Fraser River water temperatures exceeding 18 0C may have an adverse impact on the upstream migration of sockeye salmon. The enumeration fences on Gluske and Kynock creeks in the Early Stuart system are now operational; however DFO crews have been unable to install the fence on Forfar Creek due to high water levels. Sockeye have recently been observed off the mouths off all three of these creeks.
First Nations
Food, ceremonial and social fisheries (FSC) for First Nations targeting Fraser River sockeye are open in Marine waters, however, given the low sockeye abundance harvesting effort to date has been very low. There will also be limited FSC fisheries in the Fraser River. Duration of FSC fisheries in the Fraser River are reduced given the low abundance of Fraser River sockeye observed to date.
Recreational Recreational fisheries for Fraser River sockeye in South Coast marine waters and the Fraser River remains closed to sockeye retention.
Commercial
No commercial fisheries are planned at this time.
The Panel will meet again on Friday July 31 to evaluate the status of the Fraser River sockeye salmon runs and to consider regulatory actions.
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Thanks for the update Fishhog...
"The panel will meet again on Friday, July 31 to evaluate"? HUH?
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Ya, they meet seems like couple times a week to review net counts and so forth.
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I meant they are using a goofy calendar. Today is July 31...but it is a Tuesday. Maybe they mean Friday, August 3rd? I am just hoping for an opening.
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Here's the link for the Fishery notices
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/c...id=recreational
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Quote:
Craven Moorehead said: I meant they are using a goofy calendar. Today is July 31...but it is a Tuesday. Maybe they mean Friday, August 3rd?
It's a metric calendar Eh? You need to hoist a few kokanees before you can truly understand it.
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You are reminded that there is a request by DFO to NOT BOTTOM BOUNCE at this time as seen here
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/c...ID=recreational
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Anyone Fras'n out there? How's the river lookin? Hows the fishin?
I will add after posting this--Talked to a friend in Agasizz--river dropping, a few springs , no sockeye retention , lots of sturgies
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There be some kings being caught
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Category(s): RECREATIONAL - Salmon Subject: FN0597-RECREATIONAL: SALMON - Region 2 - Non-tidal Waters of the Fraser River
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Effective 00:01 hours Monday August 20, 2007 until further notice, there is no recreational fishing for all Salmon species from the downstream side of the CPR Bridge at Mission upstream to the Highway No. 1 Bridge at Hope, BC. Current run size estimates of 120,000 Early Summer-run sockeye and 750,000 Summer-run sockeye are significantly below preseason expectations of 690,000 and 3,369,000, respectively. The limited amount of TAC remaining is required for First Nations food, social and ceremonial purposes. The Departments first priority is to ensure that there is sufficient sockeye escapement to the spawning grounds for conservation purposes. The Department is also committed to providing top priority, after conservation, to First Nations fishing for food, social and ceremonial purposes. Despite a no fishing for sockeye regulation for the sport fishery, DFO continued to observe and receive reports that sockeye were being encountered in the recreational fishery. DFO is implementing this salmon closure in the recreational fishery to ensure the above priorities are provided. This salmon closure will be reviewed weekly. Recreational fishing opportunities for trout, steelhead and sturgeon and other non-salmon species remain open. Variation order 2007-305 is in effect.
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