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Silver trolling 101
      #303019 - 09/25/07 06:26 AM

Since CQ is over, I need some basic help on trolling for Silvers.

Generally speaking:
Do I need to use my downriggers?
If so, am I staying in the top 50 feet?
How far back from the downrigger?
What's the correct leader length for Hootchies and Ace Hi Flies?
Dodger, flasher, fishflash, big kelp cutter?
How fast should I be going?

So now I find a nice current seam/rip area in some deep water. I do know that Silvers like these edges. Do I troll into the wind, with the wind, against the current, with the current?

Where is my corkie/yarn when I need them?

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Re: Silver trolling 101 new [Re: Trouthead]
      #303036 - 09/25/07 08:22 AM

I'd fish the shore line in 10 feet or less of H2O. Troll Kwick fish, spoons, and or use hearing with no weight. I vary my speed, usually around 3mph. All depends. I always have a few rods rigged up because you never know when you will find a school feeding. I then cast to them.

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Re: Silver trolling 101 new [Re: joker]
      #303038 - 09/25/07 08:37 AM

If the sun isn't bright, surface to 50 ft. However, if you troll and aren't picking anything up, don't hesitate to go all of the way to 120. I usually troll faster for silvers than anything else with shorter leaders on the flashers to give more movement. I'd use fishflash with a deepsix without a downrigger, or a cohokiller or 3 1/2 coyote killer behind a normal flasher.

Make sure you troll with the current if you want to push the speed limit. otherwise, you'll twist up a mess.

Some people add a herring strip or herring smelly jelly to give a little more scent.

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Re: Silver trolling 101 new [Re: jimh]
      #303049 - 09/25/07 09:53 AM

Trouthead, those hungry silvers you encountered at Seiku won't be so hungry anymore. You'll have to make them mad to get them to bite, the further south they get. By the time they get to my area, they don't get mad, they just get even.

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Re: Silver trolling 101 new [Re: AuntyM]
      #303163 - 09/26/07 04:19 AM

Got this off a site that sells Grand Slam bucktails.....pretty good info.
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Use the leader lengths we recommend. (with flashers and dodgers) We've established these lengths by literally thousands of hours of on the water testing and customer feedback.

Use 30 to 50 lb leader with a flasher or dodger. We know this seems heavy, but it makes our bucktails work even better.If you want less visibility use fluorocarbon leader.

Troll at the speed we suggest.



Rigging for Salmon Trolling and Large Trout: Use a standard salmon mooching leader, ie:30 to 50 lb test, two 3/0 to 5/0 hooks (Mustad 92553s or similar style) tied 1" apart. Thread fly on leader and slide down over hooks. Tie the other end of leader to the tail end of flasher or dodger using specified leader length; Measure from tail end of flasher or dodger to the nose of bucktail. Best leader length is in bold.

With 11"Plastic Flasher (Hotspot or similar brand)

27-30" for Coho, Pinks (troll @ 2-2.5 mph)

32-33" for Coho (troll @ 3-3.5 mph) if you prefer to troll @ faster speed.

29-31" for Blackmouth or Springs (troll @ 2-2.5 mph)

36-39" for Adult Kings (troll @ 2-2.5 mph) 50 lb. test is best here!

27-30" for Chums (troll slow @ 1.8-2.0 mph)


With Dodger (size 0)

14-18" for Coho, Chum, Pinks, Blackmouth, and Big Trout (troll @1.5-2.0 mph)

21-23" for Adult Kings (troll @ 1.5-2.0 mph)


With Dodger (size 00)

10-14" for Coho and Big Trout (troll @1.5 mph) note: use 10-15 lb leader with this smaller dodger and 2/0 hooks.


For downrigger trolling run setups 15 ft behind weight. For flatline trolling use crescent sinker (2-8oz.) 3 ft ahead of flasher or dodger. Another tip: Add a twinkle skirt to our lures. Just slide onto the leader before our lures. Good colors are: silver, green, purple, and red. Sometimes our lures work even better with this addition, sometimes not. Experiment a little!

Additional Tips:

Troll with the current flow. (we catch 80% of our fish going w/the flow, only 20% going against it.

Best fishing is 1 hr before tide change to 2 hrs after. Also dusk and dawn.

Add a small strip of baitfish to your hooks, fillet a herring, anchovy, or other baitfish. Cut into long triangular strips1/4"wide by 3"long, then roll in un-iodized salt. Hook strip once through the wide end so it is hidden in the fibers of fly. We get 15 baits out of one 6" herring. The scent will increase your catch.

If you use bait oils/scents put them on your flasher, they gum up our flies. We use 10 drops on the tail end of our flasher. Re-apply every 20 min.

fish tide rips for Coho (troll rigs @ 20-60 ft deep even if bottom is 400 ft deep) This is their usual cruising/ feeding depth.

Fish shorelines, edges of kelp beds, points, and drop offs when King Salmon Fishing. Most of the time they hug the bottom, so troll w/a downrigger just off the bottom. The only exception to this is the adult summer/fall kings, which are often caught suspended off bottom @ 40-80 ft deep.

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Re: Silver trolling 101 new [Re: Musicman]
      #303164 - 09/26/07 04:33 AM

Heres some more....
Flashers

Distance from downrigger release clip to flasher

large plastic flashers - 8 to 15 feet

small plastic flashers - 10 to 20 feet

large metal flashers - 6 to 10 feet

small metal flashers - 8 to 12 feet


Exceptions

Sockeye fishing

metal or plastic flashers - 4 feet from release clip

Fishing in the top 50 feet of water

plastic - 15 to 40 feet from release clip

Remember, flashers must rotate to be fished effectively! Either increase your speed, bend your flasher (metal), or shorten your leader length to achieve correct action.
Use 40lb or heavier leader on non-action lures (hootchies, flies) behind flashers and add scent (Smelly Jelly, herring teaser, etc.)



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Distance from flasher to lure

Squid or flies

large plastic

blackmouth - 30 to 34 inches

adult chinook 40 to 44 inches

small plastic

blackmouth - 20 to 24 inches

adult chinook 24 to 28 inches

large metal

blackmouth - 28 to 32 inches

adult Chinook - 20 to 36 inches

small metal

blackmouth - 18 to 24 inches

adult Chinook - 20 to 24 inches

Bait behind flasher

large plastic - 55 inches

small plastic - 36 inches

large metal - 50 inches

small metal - 34 inches


Exceptions

Sockeye - 22 to 24 inches with 2 bare hooks or hot pink mini squid, very slow troll

Humpies or pinks - 22 to 24 inches with hot pink mini squid, slow troll

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Re: Silver trolling 101 new [Re: Musicman]
      #303176 - 09/26/07 06:34 AM

Thanks everyone. The honey-do list grew quit a bit while I was as Sekiu so the boat will stay home this weekend.

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