awesomeame
Offline
fingerling
Profile Status:
Reged: 03/18/06
Posts: 14
Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
|
|
what's the difference? looking at the savage 30/06 lineup right now and they're available in short and long actions....what the heck does that mean/allow me to do? Thanks
|
BobK
Offline
Thick Tail
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/17/03
Posts: 2141
Loc: Upstate NY, Lake Ontario Tribs
|
|
An action with a receiver long enough for the .30/06 and others of that length is considered a "long" action.
If it long enough to take a .308 cartridge, or others of similar or shorter length it is considered a "short" action.
This is roughly 1/2 inch (or more) shorter than a long action.
BobK
BobK
|
jimh
Offline
Salted and Unsalted Boater!
Profile Status:
Reged: 10/27/02
Posts: 4349
Loc: Area 8.1, 8.2, 9 or an S river...
|
|
You loose a little velocity by going with a short action, but save weight. Also, most of the short action cartridges lose less performance when you shorten the barrel. So, if you shorten the barrel and go with a short action you could save quite a bit of weight.
But, there are lots of variables!
--------------------
Wear a PFD if you want to live.
|
cupo
Offline
cookin' reels and killin' wading boots
Profile Status:
Reged: 12/26/01
Posts: 2257
Loc: speeding on 530
|
|
Quote:
awesomeame said:
looking at the savage 30/06 lineup right now and they're available in short and long actions
You must be reading something wrong. 30-06 is a long action. A lot of hunting calibers are based on the casings of 30-06 or .308. All rounds based on the 30-06 (.270, .280, .25-06 etc) are long actions. .308 and other rounds based on it (.243, 7mm-08, etc) are short action.
The cases are shorter in .308 based rounds and therefore fit into a smaller receiver with a shorter bolt throw.
I think that's a pretty basic explanation, someone correct me if I went wrong somewhere. There's probably more to it when you look at the always increasing selection of magnums. They come in short and long but I don't think they're based on .308 and .30-06.
--------------------
This can't be healthy. All this fishing is really messing with my head.
Edited by cupo (07/01/07 11:13 PM)
|
BobK
Offline
Thick Tail
Profile Status:
Reged: 07/17/03
Posts: 2141
Loc: Upstate NY, Lake Ontario Tribs
|
|
You got it right. You DON'T lose any velocity because of the length of the action, as long as the barrel lengths are the same. You get the full velocity the particular cartridges are designed for.
When the so-called "Magnum" cartridges came out in the 20's and 30's, the Mauser firm also made and called an extra-long action called a Magnum action, but today, modern magnums are designed to fit in the so-called long action. They are based on designs that are simply fatter and with a very sharp neck to bore size to give extra case capacity.
Also, in the late 40's or early 50's, Remington designed and brought out the parents to the 700 series, the 721 model (a long action), and a short action version, which they called the 722 to avoid confusion. Today, they just refer to the 700 in long and short actions.
BobK
|
gemstatejake
Offline
Chromer
Profile Status:
Reged: 02/14/05
Posts: 841
|
|
Deer and elk dont give a [**whoops**] about long and short actions. Neither will kill a critter any deader than the other. Buy which ever one looks like a killer and fill that freezer. 
|
pez
Offline
hobo
Profile Status:
Reged: 05/22/07
Posts: 144
Loc: Wishin I was in elk camp...
|
|
The way I hear these marketed is that the short action improves the power:felt recoil ratio. Basically, you feel less recoil and get a flatter trajectory. I'd look for ballistic charts for the two rounds and compare side-by-side.
My only experience with a short was a .270 WSM I bought for a kid that lived around the corner a couple years ago. It worked as advertised (the deer croaked when he put one through the boiler room), and he absolutely drove tacks with it.
|
Gooose
Offline
Ancient Mod
Profile Status:
Reged: 09/14/01
Posts: 11154
Loc: Area 12
|
|
Historically the great acclaim for short actions was simply less weight and a more compact rifle. The custom rifle builders started this fad in the 1950's by utilizing the Mauser actions made for the several 6.5 mmm military rounds that were developed earlier in the century such as the 6.5x55 Swedish. Other than weight action length by itself has diddly squat to do with felt recoil or ballistics.
In regards to all of the new fangled cartridges I still vividly remember our old german gunsmith from the 1960's telling my dad that..."Sammy you just can't kill a deer with a 30-30 anymore."
--------------------
Independent Advocate For The Fish
Not Represented By Any Organization
It's Gonna Be A Long Winter
There's lies, damned lies and then there are statistics......Mark Twain
|
BigStick
Offline
silver
Profile Status:
Reged: 10/03/07
Posts: 102
Loc: Paradise,AK
|
|
Case capacity,is what determines performance,in broad brushstrokes.
Like capacity,can be housed in different action lengths. The 284Win dupes 280Rem capacity,despite one being a long and the other a short. Same goes the 7WSM and 7Remmie Mag,as well as a host of others.
The 700 short will accept the 17MK4(17-221Fireball) to anything on the WSM hull. Their long actions do everything dfrom '06 to full length H&H and Ultra.
Everything 700 on the .378" boltface,wears a shimmed magbox,but is housed ion a 308 lengthed receiver.
In long action,the '06 based stuff will happily interchange the H&H variants magbox/follower,were one inclined to convert. Open the boltface,slam in a Sako/AR extractor and you are there.
Sako had a much more specific approach to requisite action length,for conversation.....................
--------------------
Success...through relentless pursuit.
|
Gooose
Offline
Ancient Mod
Profile Status:
Reged: 09/14/01
Posts: 11154
Loc: Area 12
|
|
Welcome to the site Bigstick. 
--------------------
Independent Advocate For The Fish
Not Represented By Any Organization
It's Gonna Be A Long Winter
There's lies, damned lies and then there are statistics......Mark Twain
|
BigStick
Offline
silver
Profile Status:
Reged: 10/03/07
Posts: 102
Loc: Paradise,AK
|
|
Have a new 22-250AI fast twist that I need to get barking this morning,in anticipation of Big Buck encounters.
A pretty good way to fly. 220SWift capacity,in a shorter COAL and much magbox wiggle room afforded for the upper echelon BC projectiles.
Tough to beat a 700's latitudes.................
--------------------
Success...through relentless pursuit.
|
Previous
Index
Next
Threaded
Edit
Reply
Quote
