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I want to float/spin fish a left coast equivalent of a small river for steelies 5 to 20 lbs.
Serious questions:
1. I've got a G Loomis Premier PMR 1382S Noodle 11’ 6” 1/16 to ¼ lure wt rod.(I realize I could sell it but...) Would it be practical to cut the top foot off (I hate the noodle action). Besides needing to getting a new tip-top what other possible ramifications would I be getting myself into?
2. I have a 10ft 8/9 wt fast-tip mod-heavy fly rod with a short fighting butt that will accommodate a spinning reel comfortably. What are the least amounts of modifications would I need to make to use it for a float/fishing and still use it later for fly fishing.
Don't mind me---I'm from the mid-coast (Great Lakes area)
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Welcome to the board.
I would say that the action of the noodle rod would be a little to soft for floats unless your using tiny ones. The 8/9 wt. would be better. Float rods usually have length, sensitive tip and lots of backbone.
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steelebob
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I am talking mid-coast now--most often easier currents , depths of max 6-7 ft(outside of a handful of rivers)--pretty wimpy to what you people fish.
Any detailed info would be appreciated.
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Harry
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steelebob,
I think that Trouthead is right about the fast action fly rod versus the noodle rod. Have you considered just getting the hardware and cork and making a longer fighting butt for the fly rod for use when you are using it with a spinning reel? A fighting butt that is 8" or 9" long. Because of the small fly guides it is not going to cast as well but you said you will be fishing smaller rivers. You might also consider using a casting reel instead of a spinning reel to improve the casting characteristics.
If you want a chance at a 20 pound Steelhead you had better consider going north to Northern Wash. BC or Alaska. 20 pound Steelhead are pretty rare farther south. I think that they quit making them that big further south.
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I would make a extension butt like harry recomends and use a underspin type reel. These cast great with a fly rod setup and no need to modify the guides to make it work. Could use it with the short butt but the balance will be troublesome float fishing all day. If the rod had spinning guides you could use a side cast and still fish the ultra light gear.
I wouldn't cut the noodle rod.. better to sell/trade.
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steelebob
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The fighting butt is not the removable type, if that is what your were thinking.
Underspin type reel, never saw those around here, will have to google for more info.
At my age I don't do anything all day so it may work out.
Thanx Everyone!!! Bob
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steelebob
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What underspin reels do you know about? The ones I googled, don't seem to have either the line capacity or drag suitable for steely fishing.
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Maybe Marty meant a centerpin reel, which would work for steelhead and even smaller salmon (coho , chum) and like he said you wouldn't have to modify the guides much if at all allthough I'm not sure I would trust wire snakes guides with mono line and all the friction that a hot steelhead is going to cause when he's making his big runs . I would replace them with ceramics , you can get them from pacific bay or mudhole for a decent price , I assume that Batson would have them too . An extension of some sort for the reargrip would be ideal as well. All in all you'd be better off probably selling the Loomis you don't like and buying a new rod made for float fishing for steelhead , and not having to make an investment in a new reel to acomodate use on a fly rod .
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Yea, sometimes it just doesn't pay to try to save money.
Just saw a Okuma IM8 rod online.
Will start a new post to see what people think.
I MUST say you people on this site are A-1 to someone from the mid-coast. 
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Steelebob,
Using a centerpin reel is also probably a good idea but if you take that approach it would probably be a good idea to practice with it a little.
As far as the butt extension is concerned, I would cut the existing butt cap off and either mount the hardware on the butt that allowed a removable extension or if you do not plan to also use it as a fly rod any more, cut the butt cap off, extend the butt with a stiff piece of graphite that is as long as you want the butt to be and put cork on the extension. It may sound a little complicated but is actually very simple to do.
You could also change the guides to ceramic guides as suggested but this is likely to be a bit more involved than you had in mind and requires a bit more knowledge of what you are doing.
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Vanofishin,
Just a couple of data points for you. He cannot buy directly from Pacific Bay without a business license and a federal ID number and Batson Enterprises has a very wide selection of excellent guides. Actually a wider selection than Pacific Bay. You should try them.
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Harry , for practical purposes you are right most people on this board are hobby builders and can't buy direct from pacific bay or many other companies. I build rods for a living so I guess I forget that not everyone can buy components from whoever they want . And I can't buy from batson because technically i'm in competition with them although i don't mind sending folks thier way for the occasional component , I am certian they are excellent business people with great service ,and thier pricing is reasonable as well.
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steelebob
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I will probably be looking to buy a rod then...
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Marty
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underspins can be used but there are only a few designed for bigger applications. They aren't the best choice for heavy fish but can be used in a fly rod setup.
By side cast I meant the alvey style reels from down under similar to the centerpins without the need to wallace cast.
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There is a lot of companies that sell to the public.
Cabelas, Jans Netcraft, Custom tackle Supl. Mudhole, Anglers Work Shop and many more. I started out converting fly rods for drift fishing in the late 70's and it worked good for many years. Its fun to catch fish on a rod you built or have built just for you.
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Underspin reels like the Abumatic 1276 hold up well to heavier fishing conditions.
Switching to a taller framed stripper and next ceramic guide on the fly rod will improve it's spinning, underspin, and not hurt it's fly performance at all. Just check the guide height to your rod sack and rod tube interior dimensions to make sure they fit before selecting the stripper guide size. A double foot 16 or under should probably be ok, but check.
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