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Multi-tip Flylines new
      #30961 - 08/18/01 06:30 AM

Hey guys, I'm shopping for a new flyline for my newly finished 8wt Loomis rod. I'm thinking of one of the multi-tip Cabela's brand lines, has anyone tried one of these? Impressions? They're about half the price of a Rio multi-tip, and that extra 50-75 bucks will make a good start on a new large arbor reel to put it on. I'm running a Cortland WF8F on it right now, but I know I'll need a sinktip soon.


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Re: Multi-tip Flylines new [Re: greg]
      #30962 - 08/18/01 10:55 PM

Greg
I didn't even realize cabelas has their own flylines. I wouldn't be afraid to give them a try for the simple fact they offer money back guarantees on most of the stuff. How is the rod? Have you thought of whacking up a line yourself? Hacking it up is easy....its the getting it to cast that is the problem. (jointing, loop size, line transitions)

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Re: Multi-tip Flylines new [Re: busybeaver]
      #30963 - 08/18/01 12:24 PM

Yeah, I thought about making up my own, and still might try it. I read a good article about building shooting heads on one of the flyfishing sites, I just have to find it again . I think the hardest part will be getting the loops small and stiff enough to not hinge.

Rod is great! I just have to get used to the backbone...its a lot faster than I'm used to, and I have to adjust my casting casting stroke a little. But I'll have it all figured out soon. Then it'll be time for [tailwalk]
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Re: Multi-tip Flylines new [Re: greg]
      #30964 - 08/18/01 05:41 PM

Found it! Lots of good information at www.globalflyfisher.com , including a series of articles on DIY shooting heads/changeable tip systems.
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Re: Multi-tip Flylines new [Re: greg]
      #30965 - 08/18/01 09:30 PM

Greg I have a small section on fly line building. Its pretty simple and keeping the loops small is important. I used a coating on my loops to firm them up (thinned aquaseal)....but the draw down is the larger profile going through the guides. Had to rewrap the spey rod with large guides to make it accomodate them.

You can make a basic line by going up a line weight or two (to load rod). Then cutt the front taper off...apply loops to both sides and you still have a floater. Next you go get head a sinking head 30 ft from the shop (sinking rates vary). Cut a 14, 10, 6 ft pieces and apply loops. If you need a longer line you can loop on of the smaller ones onto a larger one.
The nice part about the head systems is not having to carry extra reels/spools.

Then go try and cast what you got... If the rod over loads cut some off the floater main and reloop. This will allow you to talor a line to your rod.
So for the price of a floater, one 30' head and the braided loop material you get a four line system.
You can then add different sink rate heads and do the same over again.
Another huge savings is the fact you only replace the head instead of the entire line when you wear out a tip.
If you have never made loops they are super easy to do with the braided mono from cortland. They hold on like a chinese finger trap.

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Re: Multi-tip Flylines new [Re: busybeaver]
      #30966 - 08/21/01 05:53 PM

Well, after a lot of catalog surfing, here are my options: Cabela's 4-tip system-60.00
Cortland 4-tip system-99.00
Scientific Angler-119.00
Rio versa-tip-135.00
Kinda hard NOT to try the Cabelas line! Have a hard time buying lines to cut up any cheaper than that. I'll still probably pick up a cheap sink tip and make a 2-tip line from this old Cortland 333 that I have on the rod now (just for practice).
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Re: Multi-tip Flylines new [Re: greg]
      #30967 - 08/21/01 06:06 PM

What a price difference...of course cabelas comes out on top again with the lower markup.

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Re: Multi-tip Flylines new [Re: busybeaver]
      #30968 - 08/21/01 08:10 PM

Where are you going to be fishing where you need a sink-tip? If it's in the smaller rivers than you can just buy a small chunk of fast sinking line and put that on the end. Quality Fly fishing in Port Angeles sells small sink tips. I've got one that is about 6' and it works excellent. In some of the smaller creeks (ie. Morse Creek) you don't even need any lead when using the sink tip. My dad has one that is about 11' feet long and it works really good in the Elwha River. Most of the time you have to add a little lead, but it get down on it's own pretty good if you cast upstream. I'd try something like this or what Marty said before putting out $135 for a Rio.

Most people don't believe me, but an old steelheader told me this. About the best line for salmon/steelhead fishing is the Scientific Anglers Air Cell. It costs $21.50 at the local fly shop. It has a short, fat taper to it and when you are throwing lead around it works good. If S.A. doubled the price of it I bet people would take it seriously. That's what I have on my 8wt and when it gets old I'm going to buy another one.

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Re: Multi-tip Flylines new [Re: Dr Pepper]
      #30969 - 08/21/01 09:12 PM

I've tried a few of the multitip lines (cabela's 7wt multitip and rio windcutter multitip) and a few misc. fly lines. I've built a few sink tips with loops for my floating lines (I too use SA air cell, it's excellent line that loads a rod perfectly, especially for the money). Yes, as Marty has said you want your loop connections to be tight. Wanna know what I feel best of these lines are???

I'd have to say handsdown comparison I'd go with the rio windcutter (even though it's so darned expensive). Their premade loops have almost no hinge on casting and they load a rod perfectly. I've bought mine either used or on sale (which is a rarity). The Cabela's isn't bad at all. I'd almost go one size up. My relatives homesteaded that part of the country, so my Dad heads back to Cabela's alot when he heads back for the reunions. He picked up a set of the multitips for me when they were being experimented with. I'd assume the newer ones have been perfected.

If you have the money, go with the windcutter. But I wouldn't be dismayed by the Cabela's either.

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Re: Multi-tip Flylines [Re: Steelheader69]
      #30970 - 08/22/01 06:51 AM

Thanks for the input guys. Pepper, I fish a lot on the Chehalis and Cowlitz in the winter...both fairly large water in normal winter flows. Just don't think a "mini-tip" (which I have)or weighted fly will get deep enough (besides, I hate casting weighted flies or split shot). SH69, thanks for the report on the Cabela's line. I haven't handled one, but the pics in the catalog show what appear to be pretty stiff loops. I could also buy the pre-made heads from Rio, I think they're about 20 bucks each. I think I'm gonna order the line from Cabela's, though, before winter season gets here... [tailwalk] Wonder who makes Cabela's lines for them?
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