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I am talking about rig for side drifting mostly. I have been using two rigs. The first is basically a leader w/ two octopus hooks tied w/ snell or egg-loop knot (similar to kokanee two hook rig, just bigger hooks and line). The second is usual leader w/ octopus hook tied w/ egg loop and second sliding hook attached above w/ the snell knot (see details below).
The first setup is much easier to rig but I had stopped using it (for kings and summers) after loosing a few fish. If fish strikes in the bottom hook it easily breaks because almost no stretch in 1 1.5 mono connecting two hooks (that is my explanation for this).
The second setup works great and can be applied to many applications (for ex. rigging long PW, fishing whole nightcrawler for browns, baiting large raw prawn tail using octopus #1 or #2 and so on). When fish strikes in the bottom hook only, it works as standard single hook rig. When fish strikes in the top hook, the hook eventually slides toward the bottom hook what gives better hookup. The only drawback is that it may be hard to tie (cold fingers).
Your setups?
Thanks,
Chrome.
Two hook rig w/ sliding hook
1. Start w/ standard single hook leader
2. Cut 12-18 mono segment of the same # as the main leader.
3. Pass the main leader through the second hook eye on about 2 and pinch the main leader using your fingers on shank of the second hook.
4. Using the short segment, tie the snell knot wrapping around shank of the second hook and the main leader. After tying the snell knot, cut its tag ends leaving about 1/8 on both sides
5. Slide the second hook toward the bottom hook
I use a couple variations for this rig. If I need a loop on the second hook (like standard egg loop) I start tying the snell knot and pass the main leader after a few wraps. If I use corkie w/ this rig, I slide corkie on the main leader and then attach the second hook.
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My "two hook rig" is a one hook rig...in my own experiences I've found that the only benefit of having two hooks as that it costs twice as much to have it in the water...the hookup and land ratios tend to be about the same from what I have seen.
A lot of folks use the two hook rig for sidedrifting, so I guess someone must be getting an advantage out of it (besides Mustad  ), but I haven't.
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I use two hooks with a snail knot when fishing Prawns or Heiring. Single when Fishing Eggs or Corky.
Every setup has a purpose, single hook in the head of the hearing is going to catch less fish than double hook setup where the second hook is in the back of the baitfish.
Really, the reason I don't use double hooks on everything is because it costs more. Not so much to do with effectivenes.
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for once brewer is with todd. two hook rigs are a waste. twice the expense, twice the weight. plus i don't ever recall seeing a fish caught with both hooks actually embedded in the fishes mouth.
i don't see how the lower hook could break off because of the no stretch theory. anybody who side drifts fun farely soft rods and soft drags. there should not be any stress on the 1.5" of line in between the hooks. i think whats causing the break off if thats really whats happening. is there is a pinch being caused with the snell knot and the eye of the hook. causing a severe weakness point.
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Chrome....if your breaking fish off on a double hook rig with both hooks fixed....then your drag is way too tight or your not tying your nots right. Sorry but in THOUSANDS of double hook rigs that I have used and hundreds of fish caught on them from kings to steelhead I have NEVER had a fish break off the back hook.
The one time I have seen a definate increase in hook ups with a double hook rig is in low water. Fish that normally come up and just nip at the bait get stuck with the rear hook. The other advantage that I don't hear many people talking about is C & R mortality. If a fish tries to take the bait deep the trailing hook will usually catch on the outside of the mouth as the bait is getting sucked down.
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For freshwater Salmon/Steelhead I also only use 1 hook...even boondoggin just 1 hook. The second hook IMO adds to much extra weight but that just me. thefishnfool adds alot of cred to double hook setups as well.
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Chrome....if your breaking fish off on a double hook rig with both hooks fixed....then your drag is way too tight or your not tying your nots right. Sorry but in THOUSANDS of double hook rigs that I have used and hundreds of fish caught on them from kings to steelhead I have NEVER had a fish break off the back hook.
The one time I have seen a definate increase in hook ups with a double hook rig is in low water. Fish that normally come up and just nip at the bait get stuck with the rear hook. The other advantage that I don't hear many people talking about is C & R mortality. If a fish tries to take the bait deep the trailing hook will usually catch on the outside of the mouth as the bait is getting sucked down.
Tim
Thefishnfool, how do you rig the two hooks? Just two egg-lops?
Also, I am not sure my drag is the problem. For two reasons 1) I use two hook rig from boat only (boondogging or w/ jet diver). From boat the line stress is almost nothing (at least this is how I do this) 2) I have no problem under the same conditions w/ standard 1 hook rig. So, those break offs should be because how I tie my two hook rig.
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one hook man here also
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Loop the rear hook for 6-12# leaders so the line is doubled up. No knot on the rear hook, holds way better, dont ask me to try and explain it.
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Loop the rear hook for 6-12# leaders ...
not sure I understand this. You mean just pass line through the bottom hook eye (i.e. no knot)? What next?
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Chrome.....What kind of leader are you running?
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For freshwater Salmon/Steelhead I also only use 1 hook...even boondoggin just 1 hook. The second hook IMO adds to much extra weight but that just me. thefishnfool adds alot of cred to double hook setups as well.
When I went from double #4's to a single #1, hook ups didn't drop off. 
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Chrome.....What kind of leader are you running?
#12 for kings, #8-10 for steelhead. I have no problem w/ my single hook leaders, so I am confident in how I tie eggloop or snell knot. But I did have (till switched to sliding top hook) issues w/ the bottom hook (no problem w/ top hook) on my two hook leaders (both hooks tied w/ eggloop).
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Too hard to explain but yes run your line through the rear hook first wrap around the shank once and run the line back through the eye. slide your cheater on and then Slide down the top hook and run the tag end through cheater and then the top hook eye and tie your snell using both tag end and main line. Its easier too tie than it is too explain. It gives you at least 20% more strength then just the one line.
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Not how heavy of leader but what brand? Some lines are inherintly weeker than others in terms of knot strength
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Not how heavy of leader but what brand? Some lines are inherintly weeker than others in terms of knot strength
Tim
Mostly Izor, sometimes Maxima. Tim, knots / line is not a problem. I tested this 1M times w/ scales and fish. If I stay home over this weekend, I test w/ scales for instant stretch strengh leader w/ two hooks both tied w/ egg loops.
I stopped by 3rivers today and noticed that they sell 2hook leaders tied in way very similar how Rainshadow explained, i.e. double line between top & read hooks.
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This is two hook rig "following Rainshadow directions/seen in 3rivers". It is not best picture but double line between hooks and no knot on the rear knot can be seen.
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