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I was just looking at my hook catalog and saw size 6 circle hooks. These seem like the perfect solution to deep hooking trout with bait. Has anybody tried these or must I be the first. That is if I can find some that don't require me to buy a 1000 of them. So if you see some at your local store in a small quantity I would be interested in trying them. Thanks I will be looking for them myself.
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Eddie L
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Haven't seen them in local stores but Bass Pro Shops and Cabelas sells them made by Gamakatsu,Mustad(ultra point),EagleClaw, Pierce,and VMC in smaller packs of 5-25 per pack. Been thinking about trying them too for trout when using bait.
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Thanks I hadn't seen them there, will definately add some to my next order.
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I just ordered some gamies in the 6 and 8 size. Will let you know how they work.
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Marty, I know you know how and witch fish can be released while bait fishing but watch yourself, Its ellegle to release trout that are caught on bait.
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Yes I am familiar with the rule for the state. They decided if you use bait you MUST KILL the trout for your limit. Because of studies they have done with trout that swallow the bait. The state needs to include circle hooks in their studies  . I talked to the game warden about it and he said it only would count towards your daily limit. Who wants a trout that is 5 inches long???? When it can be released to grow up.[This message has been edited by Marty (edited March 26, 2001).]
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marty, whats the deal with this rule? i never heard of this. must have missed this in the rule book. this really bothers me because i fish almost exclusively with bait. i have lost count of how many cutthroat i c@r'ed this year. every one was caught on bait. what is the purpose of this rule? does worms and sandshrimp kill trout? and what about the native steelhead i've released this year. will they die anyway because of the sandshrimp they ingested? sometimes i really gotta wonder about the people who come up with these rules. i fish for the wiggle, not the meal. it seems to me that even if a percentage of these fish died they would at least feed the stream that spawned them, like the salmon carcasses our streams need so desperately!
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The reason for the law is to prevent people from c&r of fish hooked deep and still fishing when they have caught way more than a limit, you can still release trout caught with bait it just counts toward you limit. Steelhead and salmon do not fall into this but if you have a bleeder you should keep it if leagal to do so. Now for Marty's question, I have tried the small circle hooks on a captive pond and they do work. All fish were hooked in the corner of the mouth. Its also harder fo the fish to through the hook. Just remember you have to let the fish set the hook for you and thats hrd to do sometimes! Good luck.
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so what are you saying that you must let the fish set the hook for you? Do you not use a jerk hook set or do you let the fish take off and set it themself. We fish Curlew Lake alot in the summer and fall and we look for the big ones. usually when we catch a fish if we don't want it we just cut our line and let it go. I would really be interested in seeing how these hooks work.
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Lazy the hook usually slides back up the throat and gets hooked into the corner as a fish swims away. Keeps the internal damage to a minimum. These style of hooks are being used on all kinds of species across the country. They say to just let them swim away with it and just pull tight as they do with out jerking. Since I haven't had a chance to try them yet I am going off what I have seen on tv.
salmonoid the rule is to keep people from deep hooking trout and then killing them retrieving the hook from their stomach and gill areas. The trout would be fine if the leader was cut and trout released (according to studies).
Thanks JD I am looking forward to giving them a try.
I have also sent in emails to the WDFW asking about the use of circle hooks for clarification on the rule and possible rule change to accomodate c&r using bait and circle hooks.
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Salmonoid, The rule is on page 56 and it states, "Where the use of bait is prohibited, or where lures or flies are used voluntarily, (Game fish) may be caught and released until the daily limit is retained". I have to agree with Marty, the reasoning is so people don't release injured small trout. Thats why they eliminated the minamum size restriction on trout , although it doesn't specify trout.
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Lazydriffter, when I have used the circle hooks for Halibut, we let the fish go on a slightly lighter drag til they pull line off the reel, then tighten the drag and lean back on the rod. Hook set! If you jerk on the rod you are sure to miss the fish. Salmon and trout should be no difrent. Good luck and Marty let me know how you do with them.
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Since I have been using the circle hooks I havent had a fish throw the hook yet,it almost takes some of the fun out of the chase..all most..one other thing i've noticed is that the hook never seems to be taken to deep, almost always in the cornor of the mouth which is great for catch and release.
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Got them in the mail yesterday. The size eights look like the proper size for cluster eggs. The 6's look a touch big but I could be wrong. Now if I can find time to try them.
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Marty, that size 6 should work great with the s&m bait. String that shrimp right around that hook. Remember , marshmallow first. Helps hold the shrimp on when snugged up tight to it. It can be a delicate bait in the wrong hands. It is a bulky bait so you can use a fairly large hook.
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