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Boater, what are you trying to say? This is a "SAFE" fishery, created for gillnet harvest with almost no "impact" on listed fish or the mainstem springers. I don't think many people object to this fishery? Do you?
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This is a "SAFE" fishery, created for gillnet harvest with almost no "impact" on listed fish or the mainstem springers.
so you dont mind them keeping and selling listed salmon and netting and releasing sturgeon ?, it looks like also that if a gillnet fishery has "almost no impact" then your ok with it ?
also, there is no such thing as impact, it is take.
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also, there is no such thing as impact, it is take.
You'll have to "take" that up with WDFW because I'm using their terminology.
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so you dont mind them keeping and selling listed salmon
Very few, if any listed salmon in that fishery. I am FOR the public having access to fish they paid to raise, if it's a selective fishery, and this is considered selective because of the location of the target chinook. That's why it's a SAFE fishery. (Select Area Fishery)
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also, there is no such thing as impact, it is take.
You'll have to "take" that up with WDFW because I'm using their terminology.
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so you dont mind them keeping and selling listed salmon
Very few, if any listed salmon in that fishery. I am FOR the public having access to fish they paid to raise, if it's a selective fishery, and this is considered selective because of the location of the target chinook. That's why it's a SAFE fishery. (Select Area Fishery)
i personaly dont think they should be able to sell "one" non-clipped fish
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Neither do I boater, but the public IS entitled to fish, so isn't it better that they get it from the LEAST harmful fishery?
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Neither would I boater but reality is that commercial fishing is not going to go away on the LCR. What is going to happen is that commercial fishing is going to become more selective as to where, when and method of harvest. Course that's just the opinion of a $25 expert who apparently doesn't know chit. 
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He does knows Clams and Oysters and Beaches real well.
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What is going to happen is that commercial fishing is going to become more selective as to where, when and method of harvest.
FYI- thats somthing a 25 dollar expert would write.
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Just one of his science or biology textbooks cost more than that. He's college edumacated and has oodles of bank biology to back him up.
And he gots way more political insider knowledge than a $25 lawyer too.
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AuntyM, do you think the non-fishing public should get salmon from all hatcherys that are mitigation hatcherys in washington ?
an example would be the mitigation hatchery on the cedar river for sockeye in lake washington, when its open there is a sport and tribal fishery, do you feel the non-fishing public is getting screwed in this deal since there is not a non-tribal commercial fishery to get them the fish they have paid for here is seattle and the surrounding area`s ?
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AuntyM, do you think the non-fishing public should get salmon from all hatcherys that are mitigation hatcherys in washington ?
Nope. Some are needed for nutrient enhancement, and who says the public didn't get their share? The tribes provided their share.
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AuntyM, do you think the non-fishing public should get salmon from all hatcherys that are mitigation hatcherys in washington ?
Nope. Some are needed for nutrient enhancement, and who says the public didn't get their share? The tribes provided their share.
so why do we need 2 commercial fisherys on the columbia, dont you think the tribes catch enough fish for the public ?
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"so why do we need 2 commercial fisherys on the columbia, dont you think the tribes catch enough fish for the public ? "
Yes, unquestionably, and without a doubt.
Gooose, yer not one of the $25 Experts...your education was bought and paid for long ago...same as mine...the "$25 Experts" are the ones who began their education 12 months ago by sending in a $25 check, and haven't done any more than that to supplement their "Expert Status", besides talk like they are "experts" on something or other...
I'd like to see a determination that the tribal fishery authorized by the "co-managers" (CRTFC and WDFW) would satisfy the WDFW's mandate to provide for a "viable commercial fishery"...I mean, that's exactly what the co-managers are doing...right?
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"so why do we need 2 commercial fisherys on the columbia, dont you think the tribes catch enough fish for the public ? "
I'd like to see a determination that the tribal fishery authorized by the "co-managers" (CRTFC and WDFW) would satisfy the WDFW's mandate to provide for a "viable commercial fishery"...I mean, that's exactly what the co-managers are doing...right?
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i agree todd, we cant continue to ignore tribal commercial fishing like its not there and not supplying fish to the non-fishing public, we simply don't need 2 commercial fishery's in every body of water in this state.
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I'd be willing to split the non-tribal commercial take on the Columbia right down the middle between sporties and the tribe...
The public would still get all the fish it needs, the sporties would spend millions more to get their extra share (they'd spend far more than the non-tribal commercials ever make in their season...far more), and due to true selective fishing by the sporties, we'd send more fish to the gravel and remove more hatchery fish...
Perfect solution, except for the few dudes who make the money on the LCR non-tribal commercial fishery, and their politicians.
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Perfect solution, except for the few dudes who make the money on the LCR non-tribal commercial fishery, and their politicians.
The worldwide commercial lobby is willing to spend millions to protect the access to these CR chinook. Not because of the value of the fish involved or the few paltry jobs that would be lost, but to keep sportfishers from progressively succeeding elsewhere.
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I'd be willing to split the non-tribal commercial take on the Columbia right down the middle between sporties and the tribe...
if we did that we could let the tribes net in front of cedar creek, i would imagine that about 500.000 fish should return there this year
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boater, we don't "let" the tribes do anything. You might want to remember that, since it trips up so many of you.
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so,,, what is your answer marsha to this question,
so why do we need 2 commercial fisherys on the columbia, dont you think the tribes catch enough fish for the public ?
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so why do we need 2 commercial fisherys
We don't. But "need" hasn't got a damn thing to do with it. We "HAVE" two fisheries on the Columbia because the commercial fishing lobby and tribal treaty rights made it that way.
If you think you can change it all by yourself, be my guest. Maybe you can use your own fishing board to recruit members and charge them $10 to join.
Most of them aren't smart enough to be $25 experts.
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Maybe you can use your own fishing board to recruit members and charge them $10 to join.
my 10 dollar plan would be to ban non-tribal gillnetting from the main stem and keep them in the select area`a and give all the impact that they had in the mainstem to sport fisherman, the tribes would satisfy the rcw calling for a commercial fishery. i would ask for CCA`s plan but its probly being kept in a empty mustard bottle buried at an unknown location.
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I know what CCA's plan is. Guess you have to be a member in good standing to know anything about it other than silly speculation.
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Boater, you could send your $10 to http://www.fishnorthwest.org/ Maybe then they will tell you who they really are and who they represent?
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so whats wrong with fishnorthwest ?
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You tell me. Is there something wrong with them? If there isn't, why don't they make more information available?
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