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inline recommendations......
      #334346 - 05/26/08 08:39 PM

Hey guys.......Idaho is allowing inlines this year and I'm kicking around a couple late buck hunts. Have an old CVA that I've killed a few bucks with years ago, hunting in weather always sucked and the ol' patch and ball left quite a bit to be desired in the accuracy department. Wondering if you guys have any recomendations on an inline rifle, loads, projectiles, etc. Something reasonably priced and dependable. accurate out to 100yds or so. No scopes in Idaho so advice on sights would also be appriciated.Thanks in advance for any comments you might have.

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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: gemstatejake]
      #334356 - 05/26/08 09:15 PM

Knights, TC's are my favorites. Most new ones will probably suffice for you though...just make sure they're legal.
an ifsher is selling his Knight for $175 I believe..comes with everything..if I din't have 2 already..I would have snatched it up..
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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: Musicman]
      #334357 - 05/26/08 09:17 PM

http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=199327

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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: Musicman]
      #334384 - 05/27/08 06:27 AM

For SIGHTS, consider a receiver sight and a medium post front sight. Unscrew the disc and stick it in your pocket when hunting and for fast pickup. They are great, fast, accurate and work very well for "older eyes"!

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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: BobK]
      #334387 - 05/27/08 07:18 AM

I second the T/C's and Knights.
Go stainless.

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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: Dogfish]
      #334482 - 05/27/08 07:40 PM

Thompson

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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: CHINOOK73]
      #334659 - 05/29/08 06:32 AM

Thanks for the tips guys........keep them comeing!

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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: gemstatejake]
      #334723 - 05/29/08 07:12 PM

As it sits right now I would not purchase an inline for Idaho unless you you plan on using it in short range weapon hunts or just have a bad habbit of buying guns, which is understandable, it happens to the best of us. IDFG can't seem to get their $hit together on the subject and this is nothing new.

Originally they didn't allow anything but traditionals, then in '94 they took out a few sentences from the regulations and didn't really tell anyone, namely the sentence regarding having a pivoting hammer and exposed cap. Last year they went back to pre '94 rules. Now they have decided that because enough people squeeled, they would change again. Bottom line on that is they are going to do what they want to do regardless of public input (this has been proven time and again) and I would tend to beleive that they will end up regressing once again.

That's the first reason I wouldn't buy one, I should say will not be buying another one as I am in the same boat. Mine is not legal anymore either which is why it's in the classifides.

The second reason it it just doesn't make sense with the rules at hand either way. They have taken alot of the advantage of shooting in-lines away by severly limiting our choice in ammunition. Any manufacturer will tell you that their in-lines are made to shoot sabots or at a minumum a cupped connicle. I'm not saying that you will not find an all lead bullet that will not shoot out of a given in-line, but that's not what they were designed for and that's exactly what the traditional's were designed for. I don't want to go through this again when IDFG gets a whim, so I am going to go back to a traditional. There are a few of them that will shoot with any in line up to 100 yards, I don't have good ehough eyesight past that for open sights anyway.

If you are set on an in-line, get one that takes musket caps, they give a little extra flamage, that's never a bad thing. I can't stand the fiber optic sights, they are way to blurry to me, I prefer a peep. Make absolutely sure that you find out which bullet the manufacturer recommends shot with that barrell twist. On that note, almost all the knights I've been around shoot well, but most of them do not come with an exposed nipple anymore. I would buy a TC Black Diamond, they accept musket caps, the cap is exposed and all I've seen shoot well, but that's with cupped conicles.


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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: clucknmoan]
      #334735 - 05/29/08 08:39 PM

Thanks cluck..... yeah, I'm coming to find out that it may not be as simple as i first thought with the new muzzy regs.... may start searching for an old school stuff gun... Starting with the one I already own! Cant seem to locate my old CVA...Hav'nt hunted with it since I was a teenager and it seems to be MIA... you got any recommendations for an accurate/more user freindly traditional????

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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: gemstatejake]
      #334740 - 05/29/08 09:10 PM

I am looking for a Primitive Arms. They didn't make many, I think 1000. My Uncle has one and it is unbeleivable. It's probably 30+ years old and it came with a mold specifically designed for the gun, so he pours his own bullets. It literaly shoots as well as ANY open sighted rifle I've ever been around. Can't find one though, other than that I have been looking at the Lymans and trying to find a custom manufacturer that may do the same thing as far as bullets designed for their guns. I will let you know what I find.

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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: clucknmoan]
      #334754 - 05/30/08 03:18 AM

Okay, as far as traditionals go, I have good luck with a couple of .54s I had. Using slow-twist barrels (one had a 1/66 twist, the other a 1/72 twist) and patched .530 round balls, loaded with 120 gr. of FFg powder, they were accurate out to 100 yards (I never tried 'em farther.) One had an aftermarket Green Mountain barrel on it, and the other had an aftermarket Sharon Rifle Barrel. (Both were originally T/C kit guns.) Sighted in at 100 yards, they would both fire 3" groups at 100 yards, and were 3" high at 50 yards.

An interesting thing was with 60 grains of FFg, they shot to point-of-aim at 50 yards, and nice, tight groups. It made a good target and practice load, and saved my shoulder a lot of grief.

Both guns killed a lot of whitetails!

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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: BobK]
      #334766 - 05/30/08 07:57 AM

What grain of ball are you shootin out of them? I would assume that Jake will probably elk hunt with it as well, and I don't think you can get the grains of the ball up enough where I would feel comfortable with it. It's extremely important to match the bullets or style of the bullets to the twist of the barrel before buying it. Slow twist = patch and ball fast twist = conicle/bullet/sabbot.

Fantastic groups by the way.


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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: clucknmoan]
      #334836 - 05/30/08 04:16 PM

As I stated, a patched round ball of .530" diameter, (weight of 180 grains grains(?), if I remember right). I used pillow ticking and crisco to lube 'em. And yeah, I know a few guys that have used 'em on elk very successfully.

Most of 'em go through a deer, leaving a nice, large exit hole and profuse bleeding, but one I recovered on a quartering away large buck had was just under the hide on the far side, and had measured a well-flattened .870" diameter, and had only lost 1 1/2 grains of weight, after breaking the far leg joint, as well as shattering a rib on the way in!

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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: BobK]
      #335786 - 06/06/08 08:53 PM

My CVA mountain rifle in 54 shooting balls have taken many elk and deer. Still using the original sights and barrel that came on the rifle. Take the time to learn your rifle and any of them over 50 cal will take elk well ball or bullet.

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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: Washougal]
      #335819 - 06/07/08 08:30 AM

"Learn your rifle", yeah right, you mean shoot it 4 or 5 times till you can hit a 5 gallon bucket at 50 yards?? That's what 90% of the people do here and because of it muzzleloaders wound more game than anything. Irritates the sh!t out of me.

Bye the way I ended up getting a Lyman Great Plains Hunter (twist for conicles) and am currently waiting on the bullet mold. It is a .50 but regardless of caliber I will only shoot the body as a last resort. I have seen countless (at least 20) deer run forever after a decent placed shot behind the shoulder and probably half that many elk. Then again I have seen many drop in their tracks. My father shoots a .58 and I have still seen elk run off with it as if nothing was wrong. I want to kill it where it stands quickly, no suffering, no extra packing. Shoot for the head, you won't be dissapointed in the results, no meat lost, no wounded animals, they are either dead or you missed clean.

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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: clucknmoan]
      #335902 - 06/08/08 04:02 PM

Cluck, did you get your Lyman locally? I was at Cabela's today and saw a rifle called the Plains Hunter. Thought it was a Cabela's model but maybe I'm wrong. I suppose I may hunt elk with a ML at some point.....but my primary interest will be deer. Whitetails specifically.

And BTW...I've now researched this a bit now and can pretty much say that given the restrictions we currently have in Idaho, there is essentaily NO advantage to inline rifles.


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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: gemstatejake]
      #335914 - 06/08/08 06:42 PM

I am 99 percent sure that Lyman makes that rifle for them if it has a cabelas label on it. I am buying it from a family member that has never even shot it. You are 100 percent correct on the advantages, there are none.

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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: clucknmoan]
      #335974 - 06/09/08 05:53 AM

I would check the rifling twist of that barrel. I know that some of them had fast twist barrels. It's NOT hard to do with a ramrod (cleaning jag attached)and a patch.

I believe that's got a 32 inch barrel on it (maybe 28 inch?)
The ramrod should make less than 1/2 turn going down the bore. If it makes 1/2 turn or more, it is a fast twist, and is designed to shoot conicals!

Keeping track of the turn of the ramrod is easy enough - just make a mark on the ramrod in line with the front sight as you put it in, "eyeball" it and transfer the mark to the back end of the ramrod, then push the ramrod down the bore, paying attention to which direction the ramrod moves. When it bottoms out, look at the direction it moved, and where the mark is in relation to the front sight.

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Re: inline recommendations...... new [Re: BobK]
      #336032 - 06/09/08 04:30 PM

I'm also 99 percent sure that rifle is a 1 in 32 twist.

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