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I don't know how they can cover all the issues in 20 minutes, but may be worth watching to see what they have to say. (Below is from an email I copied).
This coming Sunday evening, June 22, CBS News 60 MINUTES will feature an expose on the severely depressed salmon populations in the Columbia & Snake Rivers. The story will spotlight the tremendous amount of taxpayer dollars our federal government continues to spend on ineffective programs that are failing to restore an endangered national treasure - wild salmon of the Columbia and Snake Rivers.
The story will raise serious questions about the billions of taxpayer dollars the government has spent - and wants to keep spending into the future - on salmon programs that aren't working, and scientists tell us are extremely unlikely ever to work.
Please tune in, as this story shines a bright light to a national audience on the federal government's taxpayer-financed failure to protect and restore wild salmon and steelhead to the rivers of America's Pacific Northwest.
CBS NEWS - 60 MINUTES SUNDAY EVENING, JUNE 22, 2008 CHECK LOCAL LISTINGS FOR TIME.
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Apparently, we missed these shows?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/23/eveningnews/main4124892.shtml?source=search_story#ccmm
Salmon Fishermen Reeling In Your Tax $$
CBS) The salmon population is mysteriously dwindling in California and Oregon.
It's gotten so bad, fishing has been closed for the season and the government has even declared a "disaster."
But help is on the way. For the second year in a row, hard-hit fishermen and businesses will get cold, hard cash to make up for their losses.
But it's not just to put food on the table and keep a roof overhead - this may be among the most generous aid packages ever to come from Congress. And you're paying for it.
Consider that the lost salmon catch amounts to $22 million dollars. Federal officials put the economic ripple effect including businesses like charter boats and ice houses at $82 million.
But taxpayers are being forced to shell out $174 million. That's on top of $60 million given out last year.
The salmon bail-out is so huge, it might not have survived debate in Congress. But it didn't have to, thanks to California's own Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi. She used her clout as Speaker of the House to insert the massive salmon relief into the Farm Bill as an earmark without a vote.
But what's really flipping out critics ... is how it works: Fishermen and business owners get to pick their "best" year, from 2002 to 2005, when they made the most money off salmon, and they get a check for that entire amount.
"You get to literally cherry pick through your earnings over the past five years and pick the best one," said Tim Phillips of the group Americans for Prosperity. "Just another example of how out-of-control this thing is."
And they aren't just poor fishermen struggling to make ends meet.
Some of them got more than $100,000 in salmon-relief last year - and will get a six-figure check again this year ... all at taxpayer expense. Compare that to what Katrina victims got: less than $2,500 per average household.
Pelosi was unavailable, but we spoke to her colleague, California Congressman Mike Thompson, who helped craft the earmark.
"Well, they need an income to keep the wolves away from the door," Thompson said.
"Is it really 'emergency' aid if somebody gets $200,000 or more in cash payments from the federal government for not catching fish?" Attkisson asked.
"It's emergency aid because they lost their ability to go out and make a living.
There are other fish in the sea, and some salmon fishermen are switching to other catches to earn a living ... yet still reeling it in ... for what they didn't catch.
And...
Money Up The River?
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/23/couricandco/entry4124539.shtml
They're definitely having salmon troubles in California, Oregon and Washington State. No doubt about that.
The question many are asking, though, has to do with the massive relief plan that aims to help ... and the way it was snuck into the Farm Bill without congressional debate. The $170 million salmon bail-out was added to the Farm Bill by California's own congresswoman, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. That's on top of $60 million provided by Congress to the Pacific salmon industry last year. Consider that the "lost catch" for the $60 million in relief was $16 million.
This year, the "lost catch" is estimated at $22 million, but they'll be getting a whopping $170 million in relief. Some digging around revealed there aren't all that many folks who fish for salmon, even in a good year. So where is all that money going? It turns out it does a lot more than just put emergency food in the mouths of fishermen who are living on the edge.
There is no means test to receive the salmon relief. In other words, somebody could own a charter boat, be making a ton of money on other catches, yet still qualify for a check from the federal government. In some cases, a very big check ... for six figures. In some cases, two years in a row. Under the salmon-relief program, fishermen and business owners are guaranteed 100 percent of their income as compared to the best recent year they've had! Even some of Pelosi's colleagues in her own party expressed outrage to me over this type of massive earmark, given out to a small number of fishermen and business owners in her home state, with no congressional debate. (They didn't want to appear on camera for fear of publicly opposing their leader). They point out that folks are hurting all over the country: home builders, auto workers, you name it. But nobody is tapping them on the shoulder and saying, "pick your best year and the federal government will write you a check to make up for what you're not earning now."
So, all things considered, the Pacific salmon industry should consider itself pretty lucky. The rest of America ... well, maybe they're not so lucky. Because they're paying the bill.
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I need to find a job where I get paid more for not working, than what I get paid when I'm working. Pelosi did a good job of buying herself the commie fishing vote.
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why didnt they contact the CCA on this ?
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I asked that same question at another fishing forum and it got deleted and then the "60 minute thread" got locked and all of the comments also got deleted!
Maybe the CCA has more powers then we even think! 
Or maybe we have all been taken for a ride down a oneway dead end street
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They get locked here also when they turn in to the same old CCA threads. boaters question is one step towards that end. Take it elsewhere. BTW I am not a CCA member.
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Gooose said: BTW I am not a CCA member.
Really? Why are you not one?
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I do better as an independent advocate for the fish than as a member.
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itm will be interesting to see what they say, i was being nosey again and it looks like alaska does some advertising for salmon on cbs
http://search.cbsnews.com/?i=1&page=...dahc%0A&y=0
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So what is the CCA going to do now? It looks like 60 minutes thinks that its the dams that are stopping salmon recovery on the the big C!
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Cowlitzfisherman said: So what is the CCA going to do now?
maybe put hatch boxes below the dams
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Quote:
Gooose said: I do better as an independent advocate for the fish than as a member.
As of the beggining of this year, I am no longer a member of any fish group/club/organization/blah/blah. Except, unless the WDFW is considered as such, in which case, I must be in order to legally pursue my priviledges.
My desire to commit to an organization is very deep and strong.
My desire to not throw away money on "born yesterday" organizations is just as strong.
Even the long standing organizations (some) have developed new "philosophies" that seem to cause them to stray from there original beliefs, which is why I joined them to start with.
My .02 and proud of it.
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AuntyM....Ohhh those numbers just get my blood boiling...it just ain't right.
I'm keeping a log book of every damn nickel I spend in relation to fishing. I started this last year, but, I lost a big box of receipts so I'm another year from utilizing this information.
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kwaj said:
AuntyM....Ohhh those numbers just get my blood boiling...it just ain't right.
it was probly a business decision, if they would have used the water for salmon instead of irrigation it would have cost the government more to pay off the farmers so they took the cheap route.
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For the people that missed the show on Sunday, here is the link to view it: http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/...layer3415.shtml
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Boater, WHEN the remove those dams, the farmers will lose zero irrigation water. All they have to do to continue utilizing it is extend their sumps and put a bigger pump in the line. Truth!
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