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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: CastawayChris]
      #342776 - 08/10/08 11:57 AM

To put it simply... buy the best you can afford. You won't regret it.

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: fishhog]
      #342779 - 08/10/08 01:12 PM

Well said Joe! The person holding the rod is the most important factor in catching a fish...better the tool only helps you hone your skills.

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: ABUfreak]
      #342781 - 08/10/08 01:46 PM

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as insane as it sounds, if you can find one, take a look at the quantum tour edition PT steelhead rods. they only made them in 8'6" lengths, but they are extremely light and set up with the same components as an IMX(outside of the weibe style reel seat on the IMX). they've got a humped handle that's about the most comfortable i've ever held. i never even knew they existed until recently, the only quantum rods i've seen were those cheaper coldwater series that are more on par with the berkley IM7s.

i bought mine for a spare backup rod, and it's become one of my favorites. i swear, it feels about as light as a loomis IMX, and is extremely sensitive. i don't know how it will hold up in the long run, but for now it holds its own with my certified pro lamis just great.




Darn. I think I saw those on clearance for $39 at the last Joe's tent sale. I was thinking about getting one, and decided to pass.

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: Baitsoaker]
      #342792 - 08/10/08 05:29 PM

ditto on MM post. experience over the years makes the difference. every rod made today is exellent in sensetivity. there is something to be said for sensory overload. now the rods detect everything, which brings us back to the original problem.... what does a bite feel like?

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: Brewer]
      #342793 - 08/10/08 05:34 PM

Yes Brewer, but a "great rod" allows you to feel the difference between a bite and the bottom...

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: Mojo]
      #342809 - 08/10/08 08:01 PM

well all I know is give the best fishernman the worst gear and the worst fisherman the best gear and see who catches the most fish!! I will be willing to bet its ME!!!!!!!

Loomis is a great rod by far more sensitive that any of the rods I have ever fished if you think its an elist club well thats just to bad dont have a B#$%% fit just cuz some guy is fishin with a loomis who know he might have saved up for a year or two just so he could by that rod! Dont judge the book by the cover cuz it might just whip your ass out on the river!!!!!!!!

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: Mojo]
      #342810 - 08/10/08 08:01 PM

There are plenty of great rods out there. Get the best you can afford and you will be happy. Myself have always been a Loomis fan and still am. I got the chance to fish Wright&Mcgills salmon and steelhead series before they were on the market. I was sold instantly. All of my salmon rods and steelhead rods, sturgeon rods are W&M. Many of the Droolers have picked up a few from me. The one Southfork got was one of the originals. They had troubles with the reel seat as it wouldn't support a Shimano Tekota. They fixed that problem and I would say the magnum plug rod is the best I've ever fished for kings. Great backbone and the softest tip ever. Flatline a kwik and you will see. Here's one getting put to the test..

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: luv2fish]
      #342840 - 08/11/08 02:44 AM

an interesting note on sensitivity for the un-initiated: sensitivity is a function of a rod's weight versus its stiffness. the lighter the rod, the more sensitive it is.

you can build a rod out of the highest modulus graphite available, but it'll be so brittle that it would be worthless to fish with. the loomis IMX series are extremely sensitive, but they suffer in cold weather, and at the hands of fishermen like me. they just can't handle abuse.

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: ABUfreak]
      #342859 - 08/11/08 09:03 AM

Abu I dont seem to have a problem with the rods in cold weather its only when some one smashs them together or sits on or steps on one stuff like that but we fished them for two weeks straight in weather ranging from 0 to 30 degrees with no problems.

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: Dances]
      #342867 - 08/11/08 09:24 AM

The higher modulus rods are definitely prone to snappage when treated poorly...they are not the Shakespeare, drop em on the rocks type of rods.....I don't have anything above IMX but fished em plenty of times. Never had a problem when fished in colder temps...maybe luck?

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: Musicman]
      #342876 - 08/11/08 10:05 AM

All I know is that when I started spending more for the higher quality rods, I caught more fish.

Makes me wonder how many times I had a bit and didn't even know it.

IMO the high end Loomis rods have the ability to put that tiny electric energy that tells you "fish". Kinda like the rod comes alive or something.


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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: castingpearls]
      #342880 - 08/11/08 10:35 AM

cast, there can be many times when the money rod won't detect the bite. for example bobber/egg fall nook time. twice last fall on the kalama i observed the king take the eggs and not dip the bobber. or even feel the bite with the supper sensetive powerpro. huh, you say? in these two intances the king rose up inhaled the cluster and continued the rise and swam upriver abit. i had to reel up and cock them two muthas! never felt either bite. since the depth was about 8' there was plenty of no detect time..... this is still why i prefer the straight egg/drift setup over float fishing. i rob myself the chomp,chomp sensation that even a midrange graphite will deliver.

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: Brewer]
      #342914 - 08/11/08 03:44 PM

Agreed Brew---

Just seem to catch more fish since I have been able to afford better (to me at least) equipment. Probably has more to do with more experience and more confidence.

Eventually, I want to start building rods so's I can pimp'em out the way I want to.


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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: castingpearls]
      #342916 - 08/11/08 03:54 PM

I have found better equipment better results when it comes to drift fishing. but other forms of fishing a broom stick would probably work because there is not much feel to the bite ex. bobber and eggs or diver and bait not much feel envolved

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: Dances]
      #342918 - 08/11/08 04:03 PM

Still would rather have the right tool for the job. Easier mending, further casting, or whatever. Although that doesn't always mean more $$$.

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: castingpearls]
      #342924 - 08/11/08 05:01 PM

Castin so would I but some people dont quite under stand that.

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: castingpearls]
      #342930 - 08/11/08 05:43 PM

Nobody is denying that Loomis makes a nice rod and there is nothing wrong hearing about other brands. The first custom rod I had built was a 1143 Rainshadow and I spared no expense on the components involved. Even had a custom weight balancing system built into the butt like Cabelas offer. I ordered the weights through them. I had it built for fishing the Main and Little Salmon from the bank. This was before it really became a zoo to fish from the bank there. For the price I paid for it I could have had a pretty nice Loomis and even thought about it. I still don't regret going with a Rainshadow blank or having WFFF build it. There is something to be said about having a custom built (whatever) built by person or small company. It's called customer service and company's like Lamiglass have forgotten about this.

Dances I agree with you on broom sticks from a boat. Call me an elitist if you want but high end broom sticks rock and Home Depot doesn't sell them. I'll have 3 more before next year


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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: CastawayChris]
      #342986 - 08/11/08 11:03 PM

Hey now, I wasn't knocking anybody. I was just throwing in an opinion on rods, price, and other options. Once again, they are good rods. Definitely one of the best. I would own and fish one, but not buy one.

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: NickVellios]
      #342998 - 08/12/08 12:29 AM

I have obtained many rods over the years as well as reels and whatever. I go fishing almost half the weekends out of the year and also have a few "traditional trips" that can last a week or longer. In my younger fishing days I spent many dollars prospecting for a better rod for "the job" and have collected quite a few. What I can tell you from my experience is this.
My answer to the original question is the Loomis 1265 GL2. I use this rod almost exclusively for fishing large chinook from the bank in many rivers from here to BC to Alaska. I also use it for plunking for chinook and winter steelhead. Before I owned this rod I had an ALLSTAR 1265. The rating is identical but the loomis has MUCH more backbone. The Allstar is now my float rod of choice since it is also a bit lighter.
I have about seven different Steelhead rods, including Lami cert pros (2) Loomis (2) a shimano convergence (10 footer) and a couple of others. When I go to the river I usually bring a few rods with me but when I get out of my truck and reach for a tool the rod that ends up in my hands 90 percent of the time is my Loomis IMX 1143c. I cannot explain why other than it is the lightest most comfortable rod in my hands and also the fact that it has some backbone to turn big Steelies. I would bet cash that I could land a fish faster with that rod than the same fish with with any other rod of similar rating. My experience tell me this.
My only complaint is I wish I would have got it with the GL2 type grip with the cutout for your finger on the blank. My Summer run rod is a 1083C GL2 for all the same reasons and the GL2's are not that expensive.

I was not partial to Loomis until I owned a few. There are better rods for other types of fishing like say, bottomfishing (Lamiglass, uglystick) but asfar as I am concerned Loomis has designed and built the best river rods you can buy. One issue I take with lami rods is the fact that they put so called "PRO's" names on them. No offense Dave but if I could pay Lamiglass to silk on MY name I would own thier float rod in an instance. Seems like a great rod but I dont need a great fishermans name on it to prove it to me. Too commercial. I know what some of you are thinking but G Loomis is also the name of the guy who built the company that makes the rods so put that one to bed.

So anyway, again my answer to the original question is the 1265 GL2. You would not be disapointed.

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: MikalBell]
      #342999 - 08/12/08 12:35 AM

Mikalbell
So your in the club too!!!!

Gotta love that 1265!!!!!

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: Dances]
      #343002 - 08/12/08 01:33 AM

Well said Mikal! I too love the 1143c, my favorite rod.

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: Musicman]
      #343009 - 08/12/08 08:22 AM

There is just one problem with the 1141 oan 1143 series rods I have a tendancy to wack people on the nose with them!!!!

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: Dances]
      #343046 - 08/12/08 03:01 PM

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There is just one problem with the 1141 oan 1143 series rods I have a tendancy to wack people on the nose with them!!!!

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: Fishhead5]
      #343052 - 08/12/08 04:27 PM

1143 is way too limber for my taste for driftfishing.

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Re: Salmon rods new [Re: jimh]
      #343056 - 08/12/08 05:15 PM

but pops the 1082 was in the ear!!!!!!!!

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Re: Salmon rods [Re: Dances]
      #343105 - 08/12/08 09:36 PM

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I dont know I think some of your rod selections might be a little light for springers

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do they still call them springer after they pass the no chrome zone
I vote for the SAR1265C GL2 for a meat stick,great salmon rod.I love the 1143 GL3 for steel.my first steelhead rod and one I still use almost every outing is the 10'6" CV106MB shimano convergance.it's not as sensitive but when your hooked-up big....ya man.




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