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It does amaze me how quickly it moved into the legislative phase, before any investigation.
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Thats funny.
As for the speed of legislation moving, I've seen some horrible knee jerk bills and some decent ones as well. You all remember the Bestiality legislation from a few years ago? There were some news stories that said it was simply knee jerk, we don't need another law, but then what do you know, two cases within the year are tried under the new law. All in Pierce County, but that's another story.
The news surrounding this shooting story has been confusing. At first you get the impression it is a blanket restriction, then it is restriction with adults involved. My question is if a new law is created can a kid not go shoot bullfrogs or crows or rabbits etc...alone? In the open space of Eastern Washington, I was shooting small game, on my own, when I was 9 as many of you likely did as well. Me and my .22 were pals. I hope whatever is drafted takes into account the whole of Washington, and not just Western Washington. Also seeing Senator Jeannie Kohl Wells on the Senate side involved makes my suspicion level rise exponentially. She would just as soon remove the gun from your hands, your families hands, and basically every person in this state... Downtown Seattle Dem takes issue...
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The reason Representative Blake is moving so fast to propose legislation is to preempt any legislation by the anti-gun/anti-hunting politicians. It let's people like that know that they are not going to use this single sad incident to further their political agendas. It delivers a clear message that their legislation is dead on arrival. To not propose legislation simply making the law what it was for decades....young hunters will be required to be accompanied by an adult while hunting.... would let their agenda gain momentum. To believe that not doing so now is a good idea is naive. I grew up as a hunter under that law and had no issues with it....it was a reasonable law back then and I believe it is a reasonable law to reinstate. Winterchrome if you were doing that before the age 16 back in the early 1990's or before it was a violation of the states hunting laws.
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As a 74 year old observer, I have seen a lot in my lifetime.
You can't prove to me that "age", "safety", "wisdom", "judgement" and "responsibility" and "common sense" are somehow interrelated. I have known very young kids who I would trust to handle firearms by themselves safely, and yet known a lot adults of ALL ages that I wouldn't trust even close to a firearm!!
You can't legislate "responsibility" any more than you can legislate "morality"!! Even though the politicians seem to think so!
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Bob you are very much correct. But what politicians should do is legislate to keep absolute stupidity from being legally imposed.....that's the role of a politician who looks out for the "people." The coming absolute stupidity legislation being formulated by certain urban beltway legislators who would make it illegal for anyone under the age of 16 to ever handle a firearm. That is what is happening.
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I think the preemptive strike is probably best (as in this case) if stupidity is lurking. The problem he'll face is keeping the ignorant politicians he serves with from bastardizing his legislation to fit their agenda. Infortunatley that is a common practice these days...
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First off how could both boys make a mistake the 16 year old also comfirmed it was a bear makes me wonder if she walked into the line of fire or if a bear was between her and the shooter .Also I think the state is at fault, Sauk is a very popular trail it should be posted and hikers need to be aware that hunting season is open . As for the blue coat I have a tough time telling the difference between blue and black ( I am a little color blind ) and what was she wearing under the coat ? I think before anyone jumps to any conclusions several facts need to be cleared up .Why did both boys comfirm it was a bear, did anyone check for bear tracks between the shooter and victim or passed the victim , What was she wearing , how far away was her friend
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I agree a preemptive strike is best...however, just because it was in first and makes sense, doesn't mean the other side/house won't just kill it and run the Seattle libs bill.
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She had just put her blue coat away in her pack when she was shot. (per one of the many incomplete news reports) No mention has been made at this point as to the color of her clothes that were under the jacket.
Also, there has not been a clear description of the terrain and brush. We know it was drizzling (per another incomplete news report), and that the distance was 120 yards. Beyond that, we know very little.
I would really like to see a report from WDFW or SCSO that details the events that lead up to the shooting, as well as a photo from the shooters vantage point, a description of the vegetation near the shooter and the victim, a complete description of what exactly she was wearing (not what she had just put away), and who was higher than the other in relative elevation, etc.
I really feel that the media knows something that we don't, and they are sifting through the facts of the case to make it more sensational than it already is. I am not blaming her for the accident, but I feel that there is something missing that the media is not reporting. I have a great deal of mistrust wherever the media and politicians are involved. (no offense meant Brian, but some of your colleagues are grandstanding motherf'ers.)
I truly feel sorrow for the victim , her family, and the shooter and his family. There certainly was no winner in this case. Everyone lost.
I have shown my boys every article that I could find on this event, and I have told them that is why I am the only one who gives the okay to shoot when we are out in the field. Only me. Once I feel they have had enough experience, and can identify their targets reliably for a safe and humane shot, they'll make that decision on their own.
Is there a way to get a copy of the report?
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DF,
Try this.
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This is a sad story no matter how you slice it. It's stories like this and my own experience in the woods that have caused me to primarily bow hunt. To many people have been mistaken for bears, deer and other wildlife, which to me make absolutely no sense and is inexcusable. In this case i believe that no shot should have been taken at all, at 120 yards in a drizzling rain it is difficult to idendify an object, and if you are not positive you don't evan raise your firearm!! As far as the media reports, they always twist things against the firearm especially in that neck of the woods! The investigators report should be the first thing to be published
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