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      #345618 - 09/06/08 12:24 PM

Fall Chinook Return: Either An Early Run Or More Fish Than Forecasted
Posted on Friday, September 05, 2008 (PST)
Fishery officials aren't quite ready to jack up their estimates of the size of this year's fall chinook salmon run to the Columbia River basin.

But they are close.

With chinook daily counts at the lower Columbia's Bonneville Dam ranging between 13,000 and more than 15,000 over the past six days (through Thursday), the total fall chinook count has reached 162,374 adult fish.

"Those counts are above the 10-year average counts" for late August-early September, according to Stuart Ellis, Columbia River Inter-Tribal Fish Commission fishery biologist and vice chair of the Technical Advisory Committee. TAC's fishery federal, state and tribal experts calculate preseason run forecasts for the basin's returning salmon and steelhead, and update those forecasts as the fish stream in.

That's a sign of either "an extremely early run or a run that is larger than forecast," Ellis said.

Ellis told the Columbia River Compact Thursday that it is too early to make a precise prediction of this year's upriver/Mid-Columbia bright fall chinook and Bonneville Pool Hatchery fall chinook tule returns. On average, the midpoint of each run's passage at Bonneville occurs within the next week. TAC intends to meet again today and on Monday to potentially update the forecasts.

The Bonneville tally through midweek includes 87,231 URBs and Mid-Columbia brights, which already represents more than half of the 170,000 preseason forecast adult return to the mouth of the river. The Bonneville estimates includes fish caught in lower river sport fisheries.

URBs, and Mid-Columbia brights for the most part, are fall chinook bound for hatcheries and tributaries above Bonneville. The URBs include Snake River fall chinook which are listed as threatened under the Endangered Species Act. The BPH tules are unlisted fish that are mostly bound for Spring Creek National Fish Hatchery.

"TAC believes the Spring Creek tule run (BPH stock) is larger than forecast…," according to Thursday's Joint Staff report by the Oregon and Washington departments of fish and wildlife.

The BPH preseason forecast is for a BPH return of 86,200 adults to the mouth of the river, which would be a vast improvement over last year's 14,600-fish return. But already the Bonneville tally through Wednesday was 60,220.

Summer steelhead passage is also tracking ahead of average, Ellis said.

The Compact on Thursday approved a tribal commercial fishery in Columbia mainstem reservoirs above Bonneville for next week. The fishery runs from 6 a.m. Tuesday through 6 p.m. Friday. Chinook, coho, sockeye, steelhead, walleye, carp and shad may be sold or retained for subsistence use.

The tribal gill-netters have fished in each of the past three weeks. They estimate the catch so far to be 52,700 chinook and 3,300 steelhead. That chinook total includes a projected catch of 32,000 for the fishery than ends this evening.

Ellis told the Compact that a like catch -- 32,000 -- is anticipated next week. The Compact sets mainstem non-tribal and Indian commercial fisheries. The two-person panel is made up of representatives of the ODFW and WDFW directors.

Four Columbia River treaty tribes -- the Nez Perce, Umatilla, Warm Springs and Yakama -- are entitled this year to the harvest of up to 23 percent of the URB run and 15 percent of the steelhead run. Caps are imposed on fisheries to limit impacts on listed fish.

CRITC projects that the catch through next week's fishery would bring its URB impacts to 21.8 percent based on the preseason forecast return. The projected season's URB catch through next week is more than 36,000. If the run forecast is increased, it means tribal and non-Indian fishers can catch more salmon.

Fishing has been good, with more URBs being caught higher than at any of the past nine years, Ellis said. During the first week of fishing 297 tribal nets were counted on the mainstem and last week 465 were deployed. An estimated 600 nets were in the water this week.

"Maybe there's more bright fish out there than we thought," Ellis said of the preseason forecast.

"Overall the steelhead catches have been quite moderate," he said.

The tribes can catch up to 15 percent of the listed "B-index" steelhead bound for Idaho. Through this week the tribes project that the harvest rate will be 7.4 percent.





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Re: 600 nets were in the water this week new [Re: boater]
      #345620 - 09/06/08 12:36 PM

it says they have caught 52720 chinook thru this week and plan on catching 32000 more next week to make it 84720 fish caught, add that to the non-tribal commercial fishery and it looks pretty lop-sided in favor of commercialy caught fish

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Re: 600 nets were in the water this week new [Re: boater]
      #345641 - 09/06/08 02:19 PM

So, what do you want to do?

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      #345695 - 09/06/08 08:15 PM

Where's the CCA on this?

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      #345700 - 09/06/08 08:30 PM

Where's the WSC on this?

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Re: 600 nets were in the water this week new [Re: Todd R]
      #345702 - 09/06/08 08:33 PM

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Where's the CCA on this?




And from another thread Todd claims

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That's because I've probably had more conversations with the CCA leadership than 98% of the $25 experts...I was just giving Lead Bouncer his $25 due...I mean, he oughta get something for it.

He sure hasn't got chit else for it yet.

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      #345719 - 09/06/08 10:51 PM

Gooose they didnt invite you to the BBQ? They even adopted the underwear hat award. Wonder who won?

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Re: 600 nets were in the water this week new [Re: Todd R]
      #345727 - 09/07/08 12:02 AM

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Where's the CCA on this?




according to lead bouncer from another thread the cca is working on ocean conditions

The process of elimination will then take us directly to the dams and overharvest of herring and sardines etc (ocean conditions)


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      #345735 - 09/07/08 01:46 AM

Are you brain dead? Boater name one thing you have done for the resource in the last year. Besides whining. BTW, if you had bothered to join, you would know how much cca is doing in regards to the ocean conditions and what other species they are concerned about, thru their national publication.

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      #345744 - 09/07/08 08:03 AM

WSC is not involved in many salmon issues.

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Re: 600 nets were in the water this week [Re: Todd R]
      #345752 - 09/07/08 09:12 AM

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Where's the CCA on this?




Todd, you seriously thing CCA can convince the U. S. Government to void the treaties with the tribes and force them to quit fishing? I gotta think you were funnin' with us...

If not, WOW, that's a big chunk to bite off right out of the box.

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Re: 600 nets were in the water this week new [Re: Todd R]
      #345754 - 09/07/08 09:27 AM

Nor it appears the issue of the steelhead caught in this fishery. But thanks anyway Todd.

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Re: 600 nets were in the water this week new [Re: Gooose]
      #345756 - 09/07/08 09:29 AM

No Gooose, they are netting salmon, no B-Runs are caught in those nets...

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      #345764 - 09/07/08 11:38 AM

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Are you brain dead?





your the one pushing for dino rossi, not me, that proves you have no clue about whats going on.


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Yep, I vote republican most of the time. I also posted Rossi position pages on the open forum so the freeloaders could read them. I happen to like the papers. I wrote to him a few weeks back. And youre going to vote for a person who has done what exactly for these fish. Doing the same thing, with the same results is the definition of insanity. Ive got a hunch you dont vote, anyway. You still havent named one thing you've done for the resource. Are you ALL GAIN and NO PAIN?

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Yep, I vote republican most of the time. I also posted Rossi position pages on the open forum so the freeloaders could read them. I happen to like the papers. I wrote to him a few weeks back. And youre going to vote for a person who has done what exactly for these fish. Doing the same thing, with the same results is the definition of insanity. Ive got a hunch you dont vote, anyway. You still havent named one thing you've done for the resource. Are you ALL GAIN and NO PAIN?




how do you think dino rossi can help the fish ??


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Yep, I vote republican most of the time. I also posted Rossi position pages on the open forum so the freeloaders could read them. I happen to like the papers. I wrote to him a few weeks back. And youre going to vote for a person who has done what exactly for these fish. Doing the same thing, with the same results is the definition of insanity. Ive got a hunch you dont vote, anyway. You still havent named one thing you've done for the resource. Are you ALL GAIN and NO PAIN?




how do you think gregoire can help the fish ??




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Yep, I vote republican most of the time. I also posted Rossi position pages on the open forum so the freeloaders could read them. I happen to like the papers. I wrote to him a few weeks back. And youre going to vote for a person who has done what exactly for these fish. Doing the same thing, with the same results is the definition of insanity. Ive got a hunch you dont vote, anyway. You still havent named one thing you've done for the resource. Are you ALL GAIN and NO PAIN?




how do you think gregoire can help the fish ??







what do you think of this ?

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Its blue.

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      #345824 - 09/07/08 08:28 PM

do you agree with dino rossi`s office that the commission should have someone with a commercial fishing backgroud on it ?

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One vote out of how many members? Naive to believe that the any Governor holds the reins on LCR fish policy. Boater that's shallow thinking.

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One vote out of how many members? Naive to believe that the any Governor holds the reins on LCR fish policy. Boater that's shallow thinking.




maybe if dino gets in we could get 3 or 4 commercial friendly commissioners, that would be great.


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Shallow propaganda boater.

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Shallow propaganda boater.




Shallowpropagandaboater...... can you fit that in his avitar? Can I have it if he doesn't want it, Shallowpropagandahairlipangler.... it sings.

Seriously, who cares? "Staff" runs the dog and pony show. The actual ratio of dogs to pony's has little to do with anything.

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HLP it's free for the taking. I believe you summed up how it works quite nicely.

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