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Why not a Glock. I thought they were suppose to be the hot item. Looking for a good .40 S/W for the top drawer.
A little more pop than a 9mm but not as big as a .45 is my thinking.
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I like Glock's, I own a G17 in 9mm and G21 in .45 ACP.
They're a great pistol for the $$$.
I've been a Glock owner for close to 20 years, shot my G17 comp for 5 years...they always run! 
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I was a Glock hater for a long time... Now I own a Glock 27 (.40) and love to shoot and carry it. I also own a HK USP in .40 and it is a great gun too, but I primarily carry the Glock now.
Go figure!
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I had a g19 for a long time. Great gun, just not for me. I couldn't hit jack with it.
Operator error??? yes indeed.
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I like Glocks too. Have a 19 and will probably pick up another model some day. The grip angle felt weird the first time I shot one, but I really like them now.
I wouldn't choose a .40 over a .45 because of recoil. It's subjective, but I think the .40 recoil is snappier than the .45.
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I dislike the grip also. The Ruger P94dc works just fine!
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Glocks vary depending on whether it was the original grip or later model.
Also, different models fit quite a bit different even in the same year. That impacts accuracy and felt recoil. A 19 and 17 feel/shoot quite a bit different for instance. One model 19 year might be great and the other stink. You should shoot different models.
Also, triggers can vary depending on whether it is stock or not. Some of the aftermarket triggers are actually heavier.
I don't think an intruder would know much difference between a 9, .40, and .45, but there really isn't much of a sound that's more annoying to my ears other than a .40. It's a really sharp crack to me, ymmv.
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but there really isn't much of a sound that's more annoying to my ears other than a .40. It's a really sharp crack to me, ymmv.
+1
A .40 has a very distinct sound INMHO.
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but there really isn't much of a sound that's more annoying to my ears other than a .40. It's a really sharp crack to me, ymmv.
You want someting with an annoying sound, I'll bring my OLYMPIC ARMS K23P AR-15 pistol to Range Day...we're talkin a .223 w/ a 6.5" barrel. 
 ...I kinda got it tricked out now, from how it looks in this picture. 
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So, a 9mm is plenty of gun to have in the top drawer?
I watched a few video's of a .45acp, not sure I want to go quite that big now. Like jimh said, an intruder will not know the difference. A 9mm with some hollow point bullets would do the trick.
I handled a few tonight, made my decision even harder....
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Tally, if you're not buying right away, come to Range Day, you'll be able to try out alot of different stuff.
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Good idea Bob.
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I'll have both my .40 pistols there, more than welcome to give'em a shot.
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I'll for sure bring my XD45 and you are more than welcome to run some ammo through it.
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My buddy in Oregon has a G18, I'll see if I can barrow that for you to try Tally...j/k!
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Now your talkin!!!!!!!
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I'll bring my USP 40 and my XD .45 comact. I also hate the grip angle. No issues with the funtion, but that grip angle, no go.
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To me it boils down to what feels good in your hand. I will bring my XD's to Range Day. Bring some ammo & you can run it through them. .40S&W & .45ACP
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So, a 9mm is plenty of gun to have in the top drawer? I watched a few video's of a .45acp, not sure I want to go quite that big now.
9mm is just fine for home protection IMO. I agree, hollowpoints are probably better for that 9mm. I use hollow, but use a "less lethal" standard round for the first shot. If they keep coming after a "warning" shot to the leg, they get something different.
If I come to range day you can test fire my P97.45ACP and my .22 side by side.
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If I have to pop a cap in my home on an intruder you can bet it won't be a "warning shot" Center mass means no return fire IMHO.
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...and if that doesn't work, failure-to-stop drill engages automatically!
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Desertdog, if an intruder is armed, that changes everything 
It seems that tweakers are the biggest problem in small towns in WA, and are unarmed more often than a gangster home invader in Oakland or LA.
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I am not going to frisk em first. Center Mass then findout if they are armed. If they are not smart enough to stay out of my home ... then Darwin can have em.
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Good point Desertdog, but good people make stupid decisions such as breaking into your home. Shoot first, frisk later. But I know that you wouldn't want to kill an intruder if you could have just immobilized him.
I guess what I would do would be determined in a real life situation, since in the moment of something like that, things never happen as planned.
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Every firearms class and law enforcement academy teaches their students to aim center-mass. Nobody is taught to shoot people in the leg, foot, arm, etc. Center-mass is always the first choice. The only time they promote anything else is if CM hits don't work.
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Good people break into homes? ... not by my (and most people's) definition of good people. If you feel that it is a good person, I suggest you shouldn't shoot at all since you could accidentally kill them. For instance, what if you shoot them in the "leg" and they bleed out!
You either decide to pull the trigger and draw for that reason and kill them with lethal force because that's what's required, or you look into using a non lethal force weapon. You can't have it both ways.
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Good people break into homes? ... not by my (and most people's) definition of good people. If you feel that it is a good person, I suggest you shouldn't shoot at all since you could accidentally kill them. For instance, what if you shoot them in the "leg" and they bleed out!
You either decide to pull the trigger and draw for that reason and kill them with lethal force because that's what's required, or you look into using a non lethal force weapon. You can't have it both ways.
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Nick, pulling a weapon in a non lethal engagement is asking for that weapon to be ripped from your hands, and used on you. If you EVER point a weapon, it had better be to shoot to kill. If not shooting to kill, I suggest a phone is a better weapon, just dial 911.
Me personally, I'll point center mass and keep squeezing till I'm out...
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Don't stop shooting until the threat is no longer a threat. That was what I was taught.
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I would guess that less than 5% of break-ins where a homeowner is faced with an advancing criminal could be handled in the way I stated. I agree fully that you shouldn't risk them pulling a gun or grabbing yours. Do what is in the best interest of the well being of you and your family. I was hoping to have people understand this without explaining it in too much detail, but I guess there are a lot of kill-happy gun owners around here who interpreted what I said as though I was a Peace Preaching Anti-Gun Hippie PETA Member lesbian. (ok, I am a lesbian, I love women) 
It only takes a fraction of a second to determine if someone will keep moving and another 1-2 seconds to empty a clip. The shooting in the leg wasn't to be taken too literally, it was just to give you an idea to why I use a standard round as my first shot no matter where it is placed. How fast can YOU empty a clip? It doesn't take long to put the real stopping power into a threat.
Jim, so you have never done anything stupid when you were a kid? You never stole a candybar, smoked pot, broken a window, or egged a house? I don't know how old you are, but if meth was around when you were a kid, what if you smoked that instead of pot? It only takes one time to get hooked and in a few months you began to lose your mind and lose control of all rational thought. Peer pressure has the potential to influence a teenager more than any parent could.
Watch the show "Intervention" some time and look at how many people were straight-A college students, had masters degrees, volunteered and donated to charity, and then tried a drug at a party and couldn't stop doing it. The only intentional mistake they made was trying the drug once, and that doesn't deserve death. Breaking into a house to support their addiction is from the drug's influence. I have seen it first-hand and almost lost my best childhood friend from a crack addiction. If I stayed in California after high school, who knows, I may have been caught up in that stuff. I can't imagine ever being stupid enough to touch the stuff, but peer pressure is a powerful thing. Does anybody say to themselves "I am gonna grow up to be a crackhead"? Luckily, his family organized an intervention and got him clean before he ended up shot in somebody's hallway because the homeowner thought the cellphone my friend just grabbed off his counter was a handgun. I know people who have broken into houses as kids and went to prison for selling drugs at 18 and are now have successful lives working at computer companies, married, kids etc.
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