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stubborn bass ....... HELP! new
      #36539 - 07/01/01 07:07 AM

hey, guys i'm new to bass fishing. i'm fishing some ponds that are full of bass that WILL NOT BITE! i can see them right off the bank. i can reel my bait right past their noses and they don't even blink. i have tried spinnerbaits, plugs, crankbaits, and worms. the only two i have caught were on a small mosquito fly. the smallmouth in these ponds are excellent biters as are the croppie and bluegill. the largemouth won't bite on much of anything. other fishermen i have talked to have the same story. they say these bass don't bite. but i refuse to accept defeat. it's tough to give up when you have six to eight pound bass schooling right in front of you. these ponds are walk in ,so i'm pretty much stuck on the bank. if you have any ideas please let me know. i'll try anything thats legal. that rules out live minnows and dynamite!

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: salmonoid]
      #36540 - 07/01/01 08:54 AM

Try some light top water baits, like a small flatfish in frog color, just kind of bump it on the surface, so that it dives 6" or so under water, then let it rise back to the surface, wait a few seconds then do again.... So on you can do the same with a small floating Rapala, used to do this in Idaho and it just drives the bass crazy! The only other thing I would try is a small yellow body malibu jig, seem to catch alot of warmwater fish on these!

Good luck and lets us know how you do!

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: Sturgn]
      #36541 - 07/03/01 11:28 PM

After my years of watching Bass masters chase bedding stubborn bass.....I would try a slow sinking worm that was hooked in the middle (for action). Rig the floating worm with a tiny finish nail used to make it slowly sink. The line used is a heavy mono line thick diameter to slow down the sinking worm. They also use a spinning setup to cast this setup because it is so light. I would also scent the worm crawdad or buy them prescented if possible.

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: busybeaver]
      #36542 - 07/07/01 06:23 PM

A haven't seen to many bass that could resist a free foated night crawler, no wait, no bobber, just a worm and a hook. time of year and time of day are also important.

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: plugger]
      #36543 - 07/07/01 06:41 PM

A buddy of mine just told me that he is having the same problem on a small lake that he lives on. He isn't the best of fishermen so I volunteered to come give it a try. I am planning the nightcrawler trick. If that doesn't work I will try a few of the plugs I have picked up at garage sales. I got a really neat looking rubber frog that is just begging to be ate!

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: buxndux]
      #36544 - 07/07/01 08:15 PM

Plugger showed me the free floating Night crawler technique. It caught me my first and only large mouth bass. He caught a bunch fishing close to cover with it.

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: busybeaver]
      #36545 - 07/09/01 05:04 PM

marty, what is a good brand/color? i can't find floating worms down here in aberdeen ,but they will order me some. i have tried crawlers ,but with a 1/16th ounce worm sinker. i'll try it without a sinker. sturgn's trick got some following a small jointed rapala, but i couldn't get them to strike. thanks for all the tips.

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: salmonoid]
      #36546 - 07/09/01 05:13 PM

has anybody tried some version of glow sticks? i was thinking about rigging up a spinner using a mini glow stick for the body. the spinning blade would act as a strobe light. i thought this might work in low light conditions.

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: salmonoid]
      #36547 - 07/09/01 05:33 PM

The bass shows I watch usually have them chucking purple colored worms. Lots of different brands of worms out there. Be sure to get the floater so you can adjust how fast it sinks by adding the nails.

You could also use a worm blower and a night crawler from the bottom side up. All you would need to find then is the blower which is basically a hypo needle to put air in the worm. Bait seems to always catch more fish with less effort. And the cheapest route would be a worm blower (or a marshmallow) and a stealth presentation. I am no Large Mouth Expert so you will have to fine tune these techs so they function. If the water is pretty colored you can also get some worm bedding that will make your night crawlers glow!!

I believe they call this a carolina rig where the weight would be by the swivel and you adjust the legth of the leader. Texas rig would have the weight by the worm. Yall would know this stuff being a southern boy. My buddy Ringo would know too, he use to fish the circuit. Will have to remember to ask him for recommendations.

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: busybeaver]
      #36548 - 07/09/01 05:43 PM

Have you tried..... sandshrimp? I know crawdads are a tough find around these parts. But sandshrimp got the movement and look of a crawdad and they are legal to use for bait. Couldn't hurt to try em

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: busybeaver]
      #36549 - 07/10/01 02:28 PM

When I talk about free floating a crawler, I mean a live crawler elnatural right out of the dirt. Stick the hook through the very tip of the head and string the worm untill the hook is completly covered, then pull the hook thru and bury the point in the worm just below the ring. The trick is to have the worm as strait as possible and let them wiggell there way to the bottom.

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: plugger]
      #36550 - 07/11/01 08:44 AM

Cool little section for we bassmasters Marty.

Ok, the subject is finnicky bass. I'm guessing this water is fairly clear. I'm also guessing that these fish have probably seen every lure in the book. I hate both conditions, personally.

Ok, several remedies, but I noticed no live minnows are allowed Ok, well use dead ones then. Straight minnow, no weight. Run the hook through the lips of the minnow. Cast out, and allow to slowly sink all the way to the bottom. Then, slowly twitch the minnow, stop, and repeat. You can vary the twitches and you can vary the depth. Also, use much lighter line on lockjawed bass. I'd stick to around 6lb test. and would probably use a spinning setup to get the slower retrieve ratio.

On lockjawed bass, put the plugs up, well at least the bigger ones. A small crawdad pattern, floating/diving plug will work. Make sure it's fairly small!

Smaller line and smaller lures are essential. 4" curly tail worms, 4" grub worms, very small crawdads, etc. Very small, standing, weedless jig head.

Look for ANY cover. Even if you see a twig poking up out of the water; toss at it.

Small topwater plugs will work as well. The walk-the-dog is a very effective retrieve for using on a Zara Puppy.

Remember, I come from the land of the bassmasters, Marty. Ray Scott is very nice guy. You should hang out with him sometime.

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: The Reel Hey Yall]
      #36551 - 07/11/01 10:34 PM

Bedding largemouths HATE lizards...purple, punkin' seed, or black plastic lizards, either rigged carolina or on very light 1/8 oz. jigheads. Keep flippin' it in their face, they'll get pissed and pick it up to move it away from their nesting area. Then STICK 'EM. Have to go with light line and sticky sharp hooks in the clear conditions, also. Scent is a must, Baitmate Max has always produced for me. If you can't find lizards, try plastic crawdads in the same colors, rigged to a jighead.
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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: greg]
      #36552 - 07/11/01 07:16 PM

I would let Ray Scott hang out with me if he wanted to chase STEELHEAD or SALMON, then we could go to the Lake Ozette and chase basses, so he would feel at home.

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: busybeaver]
      #36553 - 07/12/01 04:20 PM

are live crawdads legal for bait? the rule reads live fish. what about live frogs or tadpoles? the ponds i'm fishing have lots of bullfrog tadpoles. i wonder if thats what the bass are eating. thanks for all the tips, i've got lots of new things to try. i won't be able to make it out there for a week or two, but i'll report if i do any good. what time of year are bass bedding? spring? by now they must be done.

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: salmonoid]
      #36554 - 07/13/01 07:37 AM

You want the money lure, then you go and catch as many of those tadpoles as you possibly can and wait on them to develop into baby frogs. Don't fish with the tadpoles.

The regs. read just like the law. If the regs. say No Live Fish, then that's exactly what it means, and that's exactly how it's viewed in a court of law. There is no gray area in law, and in the case that there is, that's what we have the supreme court for

Lizards are a great thing to use, but since this sounds like clear water, use the smaller lizards.

I don't know when they bed out here in WA, but they start on one pond back on the farm around Valentine's Day, and continue til the end of March for the other dozen lakes and ponds.

If you aren't using live bait, try downsizing all your lures. I also forgot to mention a teeny Rat'L Trap works well.

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: The Reel Hey Yall]
      #36555 - 07/15/01 05:55 AM

well i had a chance to make it out last night with a borrowed pole and gear. after an hour of throwing crawlers and different plastics at the same three to four bass, one finally hit on a tiny black tube with no weight. nice fish 4 possibly 5 pounds. loads of fun on a light action spinning setup. thanks guys for all the great tips

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: salmonoid]
      #36556 - 02/23/02 11:55 AM

i haven't been bassin yet, but from what i hear, try a senko, hooked in the middle, with no weight. these things have a lot of salt in them and sink REALLY slow, plus not a lot of bass have ever seen them before. check out the Gary Yamamoto Custom bait shop at baits.com and you can check if they carry them near you, if not, you can order them. tons of info on how to fish the senko, too. [Pink worm] good luck, tell me how it works!

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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: ManOfSteelhead]
      #36557 - 02/24/02 06:58 PM

Well
I don,t bass fish alot, but used to all the time when I was youmger. I really believe in the top water lures, I love rapalas the floating type, and the floating hard palstic diving frogs, In the rapala, I swear by the rainbow(trout) color, I have hooked numerous bass in varied sizes using this.I love the way they flat out launch out of the water and attack it. I cast next to logs and other similar snag areas. I let it sit for about 15 sec/ then twitch it 2- 3 times.Found this too work well with spooky bass, and really draws their attention.It really depends on what type of bass fishing you do.(however) For (shallow)structure and heavily timbered or lily pads , I think it works good.
Anyway mine is real basic but I know for a fact it works.
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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! new [Re: WoodsyWayne]
      #36558 - 02/24/02 07:58 PM

if you follow Sturgn's post above it works great
and let it rest long enough for all the ripples in the water to be gone before you twitch or jerk again.
My personal favorite to do this with is a #7 floating rapala in rainbow colar.
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Re: stubborn bass ....... HELP! [Re: plugs]
      #36559 - 02/25/02 05:07 AM

One key thing that needs to be mentioned if you can see the fish the fish can see you, What I do when I see a bass is just keep moving come back lator and this time cast at the area from as far away as you can...in clear water browns, pumpkin, smokey, cotten candy, nateral blue, colors work better and the lure needs to look as real as it can and use low-vis line,,,DJ

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