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WASHINGTON DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE Print Version
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600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091 RSS Feeds
July 01, 2009
Contact: Annette Hoffmann, (425) 775-1311, ext. 120
Aaron Bosworth, (425) 775-1311, ext. 101
Chinook salmon retention ends
Sunday on the Skykomish River
OLYMPIA – Starting Sunday (July 5), anglers will be required to release any chinook salmon they catch on the Skykomish River, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) announced today.
The new rule, which takes effect at 12:01 a.m. Sunday, prohibits the retention of chinook from the Lewis Street Bridge in Monroe upstream to the Wallace River, the only portion of the Skykomish River currently open to salmon fishing.
The rule change does not affect fishing for hatchery steelhead and other gamefish on the Skykomish River.
Low chinook returns to the Wallace River Hatchery prompted WDFW to close the river to chinook retention to help ensure enough salmon make it back to the hatchery to meet spawning goals, said Annette Hoffman, regional fish program manager for WDFW.
If it later appears spawning goals will be met at the hatchery, WDFW may re-open the fishery, said Hoffman.
Anglers can check for updates on the department’s website at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fish/regs/fishregs.htm.
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sounds like they might open reiter in the next couple weeks too.
low on the king count and high on the steelie count.
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sounds like they might open reiter in the next couple weeks too.
low on the king count and high on the steelie count.
By now, 52 of 68 Reiter fish were received from the Wallace hatchery. So, Reiter numbers are not high. Hopefully, they will open even if all their fish for broodstock come from Wallace.
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my buddy who runs the wallace told me reiter had gotten back a bunch of steel in the last few days and they would be anouncing and early opening next week. but he could be wrong.
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my buddy who runs the wallace told me reiter had gotten back a bunch of steel in the last few days and they would be anouncing and early opening next week. but he could be wrong.
It is a great news! Fifty guys on south side starting before legal fishing time and fifty on north side starting at 6am sharp and complaining about guys on other side. Guys w/ 1/4oz jig & floats casting above drift-fishing guys. Can not wait to see this again. 
Just joking. IndexHooker, thanks for sharing this.
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sorry but i was wrong about reiter getting all the fish, you were right about them comming in to the wallace but you had lact weeks numbers they have twice that amount now.
i just had lunch with my buddy and he seys with cuts reiter is kinda screwed that's one of the reasons they don't release fish in all the tribs any more, they only release fish at reiter. it's just hard to imagin that fishings going to ever get better on the sky.
and for the record i don't fish reiter, i hate combat fishing.
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sorry but i was wrong about reiter getting all the fish, you were right about them comming in to the wallace but you had lact weeks numbers they have twice that amount now.
This aligns w/ my observations. Wallace returns is stronger than Reiter. Last winter (early in the season) when Reiter was "a couple fish in the morning", Wallace was a place for a few people to limit in a couple hours. Last summer Wallace to Sultan was better (at least to me) than around Reiter.
And, I do not think anybody likes the combat fishing, however on Sky the options are very limited.
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Sucks it closed...the most logical thing to do here is not to sit on our thumbs but to join a group...join a team...join a conservation group that has the potential to stop this sheet from happening...the CCA needs money and memberships to make it happen and if you are not a member you should highly consider it...it's 25 bucks...a f'n large pizza with an order of wings can wait till next pay day...drop the 2,500 pennies now and at least participate in what could save us someday. Trust the people of the CCA that are making the decisions and gamble with the rest of us that have joined...we may come out ahead of where we are now...if we lose your out a large pizza and some f'n wings. I'd like to know the percentage of people on here that complain about sheety runs of fish, closures, restrictions, mishaps in counting/surveying adults and smolts, etc...that are not members of the CCA. Complain all you want...after you have joined! My two cents...
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I am not a member. So what? As soon as the CCA removes it's ties 100% to the NSIA, NMTA, FishNorthwest and the Salmon Mafia they may get it done in regards to salmon but not til then. Yes yes those that will way in on that statement...CCA is not associated with those groups. BS.
Shiatty runs are gonna continue to happen and opportunity is going to experience early closures. Why? Because if the above 4 groups sees a single fish available on PAPER that can be bonked they are going to demand that we get to bonk those PAPER fish.
I''ll complain all I want...don't like it you know what you can do with that. 
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Goose,
I'm just trying to pull us together as a group and hopefully get something done...I realize there are lots of specific opionions floating around about our fish and the way they are managed...but joining CCA is the only thing I can do personally as an individual that might actually have the ability to one day make a change. I myself...in the world of changing fish management...I'm worthless...but once we come together as a group...I think we can inflict change for the better. I don't claim to know a whole hell of a lot about fish management and maybe the CCA still has some learning to do as well...but if we all join we might have a say in what happens to our fish...
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John I realize what you are trying to do and agree with the need to get organized. But don't be criticizing those of us whom for now choose to remain separate from that group. We'll do our work and the group will do it's work....hopefully it will be for the fish first rather than other motives. BTW I expect the Skagit to close early also for Nooks.
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Brotha' Gooose, surley you cannot still be convinced that the Salmon Mafia is tied in with CCA. As far as bonking the last fish on the table, I think we proved just a few months ago, that is no longer the acceptable practice. Now, of course I am just speaking for one fishery, however, it was a huge win for our side this past year. And yes, CCA was totally on board with it from our side, as it truly was on the side of conservation.
Now we just have to wait and see how bad the Quins screw it up, with over harvest on the Nooks. Oops, did I just say that... 
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Grays Harbor wasn't predicted to have a bunch of surplus paper fish due to the Pacific Salmon Treaty....Puget Sound and the CR were. Representatives of the Mafia and the CCA prominently celebrated those paper fish providing excellent new opportunities in Puget Sound and the CR. Mafia never stood a chance on the Harbor due to there being no extra paper fish from the treaty and your organized effort down there...plus your ability to see what paper numbers really mean. Mafia played up the CR big time and it was a bust. Mafia is playing up the Puget Sound river fisheries. One of those Mafia members fishes with whom all the time and often appears on a certain radio broadcasts to play up these paper fish opportunities? Far as I am concerned he's a Made Man in the Mafia. Care to guess and discuss it here or would it be better if it was just dropped here and now?
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Your right Gooose, I don't care to talk about Anthony here, besides, we have it under control, (I Hope) where my efforts lye. However, I think your right on target and Puget Sound is in serious trouble unless control is shifted...
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as of today there are 194 fish at reiter 97 from the wallace looks ok to me.
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Steelhead?
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Gooose said:BTW I expect the Skagit to close early also for Nooks.
You talking about the hatchery springer fishery going on now or the wild summer fishery that opens soon? I don't even think the fishery on the summer chinook should open.
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Hopefully it won't.
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it's funny the whole "join cca or don't bitch" attitude, it's the bigist reason i haven't joined cca are the people who think that becouse they pay $25 to a group there sh!t don't stink any more and have the right now to verbaly strong arm others to follow there lead.
i think this attitude has cost cca members like me who would join.
mybe we should all join PETA quit fishing and save the sea kittens. now that would make a statment.
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This is just another example of where our fisheries are going. I'm at the point now where my dad was about 15 years ago when he backed off on fishing and started pursuing other things.
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I admire John's enthusiasm, just as much as I did when Brady did the nearly the same thing on GF in the early days. However, people either find reasons to be involved or find reasons to not be involved, before and after the membership card has been received. I know people who talk the talk, but still are not members of CCA. As far as the websites go, an occasional reminder of accomplishments and current projects is enough. Recruitment is on the ground, at the boat launches, sporting events, tackle stores and in the guide boats.
Those who believe in conspiracy are better off left to do their own thing. Its a complete waste of time to disprove a negative, on a small scale. In one particular case, its a risky proposition to taunt the Bear in his own Den. The dept is probably full of people who would stab a member in the back.
If we only had a few members, we would have very little clout in Olympia or in DC. We would not have the money for Newsletters or Action alerts and those are often sent out to nonmembers by other members. Its pretty cheap when considering the magazine and the two DC lobbyists for 25 bucks. Yet, if you live to far away to attend meetings or get involved with something to offer, those people probably wont join. The NRA membership is free, but I dont want the junk mail. To each his own. Non members spend their money in stores, who support a variety of organizations. This year, some of us, will fish for humpies on the green, thanks to the efforts of CCA members who went all the way to California. You dont have to be a member to fish the Green. A little appreciation wont kill anyone. I appreciate the oyster seeding, but I wouldnt bother harvesting them.
Hey Goose, you still posting in the CCA forum? Its a pretty elite club. Not much room for differing opinions. Some folks dont like the first amendment. 
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Actually I am LB. There's no need for anyone to waste time dispelling conspiracies. Facts speak for themselves. As do the accomplishments of the CCA. Excellent organization that I highly recommend people to join. I also believe that no organization is perfect and will frankly point those imperfections out. Don't like it LB? Tough.....deal with it or not.
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Thats right. No organization or person. Thats why more than a few people show up in the board meetings. Im not going to sweat people who occasionally have the same goal. Fishing is not a crime. I think the conservation attitude is spreading, not being overrun. Winners usually get more followers in the end.
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Just doing my part to accelerate the spread of that conservation attitude. Harvest of fish by itself is not a crime. Knowingly over harvesting because an industry or a user group needs to harvest is one.
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I agree. The dept has the final call on emergency closures and return estimates. I dont expect vancouver to make anything more than a recommendation. If sportsmen catch too many fish based on creel or flyover estimates, I hardly think vancouver is to blame. Policy and mission dont carry the same burden as day to day mgt.
Tackle retailers dont like short seasons, but I also think, most of them recognize overharvest is unacceptable for the long run. NoF added the equivalent of 10 months? worth of fish based on projections. As in the sky restriction, they know escapement cannot be sacrificed. Its part of the game.
Lean budgets arent going to help either, hatchery partnerships are going to be important. Guys hate being crowded into a few rivers or one or two salt regions.
I think anyone who sells out sportsmen for their own trophy fishery will find themselves OUT of the loop. Im not sure which show you referenced, but listenership is radio ad revenue. As long as they dont set seasons or allocations, I cant find a problem.
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Who said that a radio show influenced decisions? I didn't. I pointed out that certain organizations and individuals can and do influence seasons. In some cases especially for certain runs of Chinook a month of harvest pressure based upon paper fish estimates may be a heavy price to pay when those paper fish never show up. Nice. But that's not Conservation.
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Thanks for the kind words LB...I don't come on here with these statememts to attempt to criticize people...I am attempting to encourage people to think about their own personal actions in this fight for our fish...Sure you don't have to join and you won't hurt my feelings any if you don't...yes I am a member and no that does not somewhow give me the power to bitch about our poopy fish runs anymore then anyone else. Pete you fish the Sky regularly and are passionate about the river system and the future health of our fishing opportunities on it...CCA has the abilily to help save our seasons and our fish on the river you and I like so much...all I'm saying is the more people that join the quicker we will find out what we might be able to do with our river systems. I apologize if I was over the top...I spend a lot of time on the Sky and can tell you that there is over 500 hatchery kings in the Wallace below the hatchery that have are not in the hatchery ponds yet and I can tell you that just about every deep hole from the mouth of the Wallace down is holding jumping fish and I am quite sure the qoata will be reached just like any other recent year. This decision was a poor one in my eyes...
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Nicely said Lamiglas.
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Goose, who provides the paper fish estimates.
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and whom get's all enthusiastic about them when the paper estimates based on a treaty say there's suddenly enough fish for harvest. Whom doesn't recognize the fallacy of paper fish? But claims to want better management? LB I can keep this up forever and your hole you're digging will just get deeper.
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