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Was going to loan my lamiglas 9 foot classic glass, Tr100 and Deep six diver to a friend. Ive been told the hot spot flasher would have to go 6-8 feet behind the deep six, in order to work correctly. I have a fish flash, which would close the gap, but they dont work as well for coho. Add 2-3 feet for a hoochie. Looks like a nine foot rod may not be long enough, even with the fish flash.
They are going up on a sail boat of some type and wont have downriggers. I dont know how long the net is.....
I have a 10.5 foot St Croix but its a more expensive rod. Any cheap big rods a guy could buy, that would troll deep six, flasher and hoochie?
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I would go with the Shimano TDR in the 9'6 inch. It's cheap ($35-$40, depending on where you buy it) and it's been the go to rod for a lot of folks for a lot of years. They worked fine with the deep six/flasher set up in the CR or as the center set up between downriggers.
We have even used them for keeper sturgeon and they work pretty good for that too if you rig them up right. Very tough rods. Caveman fought an 8' in the Chehalis for 45 minutes and the TDR held up fine.
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Another TDR vote.
A typical flasher like a hotspot will work against the deep six to keep the deep six from diving.
Fish flash actually work really well for Coho and I'd even say they could just trail a spoon behind the deep six. The problem I've had with fish flash behind a deep six is that if you have any speed, the line from the spoon to the deep six twists. The problem is significant worse if you troll against current or at an angle to the current.
I believe he deep six does have some atrracting capability on its own. I'd go with just a spoon behind the deep six. It will be much less chance of fouling that way and still be good. I'd probably use about a 4 foot leader from the deep six to the spoon.
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I agree with the above, I would throw into consideration an Ugly Stick MDS 1186. I've got one that I used for years for trolling on downriggers, sturgeon, and now catfish. Pretty much an equivalent to the TDR's IMO.
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Good ideas on the rods. Thanks.
I have a roughly four inch dodger, would that still get twisted up?
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It all depends on how fast they troll. The problem with trolling slow is generally speaking, coho like a faster lure/action. You could attach the dodger directly to the deep six to minimize the twist. I still would probably go with the sppon.(Coyote or similar.)
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Thanks for the help. I talked to him yesterday and something fell apart.
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Something? 
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He didnt owe me an explanation. Something came up, he didnt go.
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My goodness, i run a deep six all the time with a hot spot and there is no problem. You just cant run the large hotspot! The large hot spot pulls to hard for the diver and pops the diver every time. Run the small ones, they work great. Only need to run it 3ft. behind your deep six. same as you would a mooching lead and dodger. In fact we put on a clinic at Neah Bay a few weeks ago with just that, divers and leads. As for the fish flash, they work killer for silvers but they are intended to fish herring and herring only! Silvers are quicker than kings and that is the reason why people think they prefer faster speeds( because they can hit the bait at a faster speed), they don't realistically have a preference, thats why on the charter boats you'll find the mooch for everything. Even limits of silvers with that slow herring.
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Chris, you can catch silvers at the surface. Catching a fish while running a diver behind a deep six doesn't prove that it's diving. I don't know why you think fish flash only works for herring...I can assure you you're wrong!
Oh, and charter boats fish the way they do because they can't fish lots of people any other way. Can you imagine fishing downriggers times 100, for instance.
But, I have to wonder if mooching is so great why you even bothered to try a deep six. 
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As for the fish flash, they work killer for silvers but they are intended to fish herring and herring only!
Wish I would have known that in the CR. I would not have wasted my time catching fall nooks with them. Note to self... they only work for silvers.
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Chris do you go by the name nb1000 on a couple of other sites?  
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No goose why?
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We run everything Jim and yeah i know you catch them at the surface. Oh and there isn't anywhere in my post that says it ONLY works for silvers so you might wanna read it again. Yes jim you can run a hoochie spinner behind it but if you run a spoon or hoochie, you are a cracker because you need the flasher action with them. Anything will work in the right conditions and with enough fish. There was a question asked and i answered it correctly. I don't how many salmon ya'll catch on the ocean but i've personally put between 75 to 100 this year, huh must be doin it right huh?
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Chris, spoons need a flasher for movement...who is the cracker? Dude, spoons have different shapes for a reason. But don't take my word for it. Just read the description by the manufacturer.
http://www.luhrjensen.com/products/spoons--spinners/coyote-spoon
It only took a short period of time for the Coyote spoon to rise to the top of ocean salmon fisheries off of Oregon, Washington and Western Canada. The spoons thin material creates a very active swimming action that salmon can't resist. Sized from 3-1/2- to 6-inches in length, sizes should be chosen to match the baitfish on which salmon are feeding. Smaller sizes when candlefish and anchovies are most prevalent, larger in late season when herring become the food of choice. The Coyote spoon performs exceptionally well behind dodgers and flashers alike.
I'm happy you were able to catch fish in spite of your technique. It just goes to show that if you fish enough, you'll eventually catch some! But as you should know, you don't have to know what you are doing to catch fish. At least, I think you've been with people who caught their first salmon on their first trip.
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Oh, one more thing Chris. You might want to hear some thoughts by makers of fish flash. http://www.fishflash.com/
Just some words from that site.
Four sizes and eight vibrant colors give the angler a wide variety of options for different species, light and weather conditions.
Fresh or salt water, rivers, lakes or the open ocean; down deep and slow, shallow and fast, skipping like a flying fish; trolling flies, spoons, herring, Bait Busters, plugs or bait; The Fish Flash® is versatile, effective and easy to use. Its unique vibration and flash draw fish in for the bite.
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You put your time in and you learn what works! NUFF said! You can learn to fish from a website or book or whatever or you can put time in (which i have) and learn the ups and down, in n outs! I'll stick to learning from the educated and by putting the time in. you need the whipping flasher to get that spoon kickin up! You over analyze to be a smart ass, i'm statin facts! Try them side by side!
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Actually, I'm posting word for word which isn't exactly analyzing. Feel free to ignore the info from the world around you: books, pamplets, product info, websites, etc. Well, until you or your fishing buddies say it's ok to change your mind. 
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Sometimes the books pamphlets and videotapes don't cover all aspects of fishing. Sometimes those that think outside the box catch all the fish...
Of the several trips to Sekiu I made, I got a lot of fish on fish flashes with a spoon, and fish flashes with a herring, as well as using a dodger with either. I guess when it comes to salmon, anything works...
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For sure the number one rule trumps all others...fish where there are fish!
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"Sometimes the books pamphlets and videotapes don't cover all aspects of fishing. Sometimes those that think outside the box catch all the fish...
Of the several trips to Sekiu I made, I got a lot of fish on fish flashes with a spoon, and fish flashes with a herring, as well as using a dodger with either. I guess when it comes to salmon, anything works..."
Joe you simply do not have the benefit of the experience and education regarding catching salmons that Chris has. Enough said.
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I freey admit to being a cracker, but the last 3 weekend of trolling for ho's e found a coyote spoon fished 48 inches behind a delta diver or trolling sinker outfished the same spoon behind a flasher, and even outfished herring, whole or plugcut. The only thing better was a hoochie 24 inches behind a dodger.
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